Stupid shit in Medellin

[JjBee62]

Then don't read what he has to say, though following that logic likely is too much for you. The guy's on the ground in Medellin constantly fucking, and the guy you are sucking off, JJBee, is crouched on a bed in a roadside motel writing up his ten five paragraph ISG posts for the day, after sending his "girlfriend" 100 via Western Union. Who would you rather be?

I see you finally recovered from the last time you decided to take a few swings at me. Good for you. It would be better for you if you addressed the mental health issues which cause your psychotic outbursts, but in lieu of treatment, it's good to know your early onset dementia allows you to forget the humiliation from each new round of attacks.

As always, you have a fertile imagination. Have you been replacing your dead brain cells with agar?

Can't say that I've been in a roadside motel recently. Doesn't make much sense when I'm usually in my apartment. Crouching on the bed, not happening either. I've a perfectly good desk, although I am partial to my recliner. Just don't think I could crouch long enough for 50 paragraphs.

Keeping with the current trend, you're wrong again. I haven't used Western Union for 3 years. Can't remember when I last sent "100" either. I'm assuming you mean dollars, but that makes no sense. If I'm sending money to Colombia, I'm sending pesos. It just makes more sense to send 100 k pesos than to check the exchange rate, calculate the fees and then figure out how much is needed so the recipient gets the right amount.

Sure, I have a girlfriend. She meets all my requirements in order for me to consider her a girlfriend. You're welcome to pass judgement on her and to create your own fictional backstory. I'd love to read all about it. I also do send her money. However, since it's my money and I have more than enough to meet both my needs and desires, I don't feel obligated to request your permission or approval.

But, enough about me. How are you doing? Is that twitch getting worse? Still having those mental meltdowns at the end of each visit to Medellin? Still trying to meet up with guys in Medellin and then going batshit crazy on them over petty little things? How's that working out for you? Still staying in Laureles, taking taxis to El Centro because you haven't figured out how to use the Metro?

So many questions. Of course the biggest question is why? It's been 5 years since you got pissed off at me because your Colombian friend set you up, drugged and robbed you. It's been almost 5 1/2 since you got pissed off at me because you couldn't get a Venezuelan street girl into bed and her friends failed to thank you for buying pizza in a last ditch effort to win her heart.

Certainly, some might wonder why you are angry at me over your own failures. You don't see me lashing out at anyone when I fuck up. Why are you so obsessed with me? I fully grasp the reality that some people don't like me. Popularity isn't my goal. However, that's not it. After your first meltdown you came looking for me, wanting to spend time with me. After your second meltdown you came back to pm with me after I called you out for your passive-aggressive crap.

Each time I was willing to talk and listen, until I realized the cycle would continue to repeat and I walked away. What is it about me that keeps you coming back? The result is always the same. I'm willing to keep playing the game as long as you're thrilled to lose every time. I just don't grasp what's in it for you.

One final point, before I try to crouch on my bed. The guy who's on the ground in Medellin constantly fucking, isn't. His trip, according to his reports, has mostly been getting pissed, and getting stood up, with a few disappointing sessions and apparently 1 good one. If I remember correctly, you called him out on the same thing I did about strippers asking for tips.

True to form, when you realized he might be an ally in your irrational war against me, suddenly he's the Messiah of Medellin and you're washing his feet. How many times have you done this? How does it always end? It ends with you sulking for 2 months, while I continue doing my same thing.

[Paulie97]

The Hotel I'm staying at is rated as 4 star by: Hotels.com, Priceline, Kayak, Trip Advisor, Travelocity, Booking.com, Expedia and Agoda. Perhaps they forgot to consult you.

Just now got around to checking these posts. Doesn't matter who you list off here. Why are you in a three star hotel, and, admittedly, too pshyically trashed to walk up hills in El Poblado if you are "traveling the world staying in high end hotels?" It doesn't matter what the marketing sites rate your budget. We've seen the pictures, with the plastic back chair and Spartan desks, and know that many of 3 star hotels by USA standards get 4 in the developing world. Plus "high end" hotel aren't charging 38 a night, and very negotiable for long stay so you aren't "traveling the world in high end hotels" as you claimed. Lolol.

indeed I am on a budget.

Of course you are, and as a hindered individual struggling to walk up hills, stretching their retirement income in a developing country is of importance.

I have heard from sources that you stay in hostels and / or two story hotels.

When? At your last colonoscopy? That's assuming you can afford one camped out in a 3rd World hotel, and that's a huge if. Though I've stayed in a few "two story" hotels in my life (only a few) I've never stayed in a hostel.

So the bottom line, as it always was, and according to professionals, bed beds are best examined for, no matter the price level of the property as they are of the most resilient. Stewardesses check for them, as do the best of academics including endomologists and pest control experts, as it only takes a few minutes. And bed bugs, unlike the "lice" this twerp wants to pivot to can last for a year or more without feeding, as a opposed to a day or two. So you are just a decriped joke camped out in a third world hotel.

[JjBee62]

Excellent post. I don't think the businesses were being greedy when it started. They were actually trying to stay afloat. It was the 1920's when the USA was going through tough financial times and somehow the idea of the customers paying the workers instead of the business paying them worked and caught on.

America has gone mad. Like you said waitering and working at McDonald's are supposed to be entry level jobs that noneducated or preeducated people did. Now they are talking about a livable wage. Who would have wasted their time with school if they knew they could have made the same amount without going.

And Colombian chicas aren't supposed to be banging old gringos. It's weird nobody ever complains about us perverting the natural order of things.

Name one fast food restaurant chain that went into business because they wanted to provide jobs for high school students. They all went into business for the same reason, to make money. Long ago they figured out they could hire kids to work part time and increase profits. They didn't have to provide benefits and they didn't have to pay them much. After all, all they were working for was extra money to buy cigarettes and condoms. Unfortunately, not enough went towards the latter.

No job was ever supposed to be just for certain classifications of people. A job is a job. There are tasks which need to be done. Someone has to do them, someone has to pay to get them done. If you're not finding anyone to do the job, then you aren't paying enough.

When I was about 10 I rode my bike to granny's house. Her sister was there and they were talking. As soon as I walked in granny asked "how would you like a dollar?" I told her I would love a dollar, that was a soda, and a whole bunch of candy. When she told me everything I needed to do to get the dollar I told her "I don't want it that bad" and my aunt nearly died laughing.

Many members of this forum can tell you that the traditional work model no longer applies. Their office is anywhere they can connect to the internet. Their hours are the ones they choose.

All those people you think those restaurant jobs are meant for have other options too. Why work a weird, inflexible schedule for $10 an hour when you can work when you want, for as long as you want and make up to twice as much?

Any job that's full-time should provide a livable wage. If not, why would anyone work it? And if it doesn't provide a livable wage then the taxpayers have to make up the difference. Take your pick. Have the privately owned companies pay a livable wage, or start lobbying for higher taxes so we can all pick up the tab and protect corporate profits.

[Paulie97]

I have heard from others that Americans are too quick to tip when not appropriate in foreign nations. I can recall one time gambling at a casino in Santo Domingo. I was tipping the roulette dealer every time I won. I was quickly given the death look from the others players at the table. I instantly understood that the Dominicans didn't want the dealers to start expecting a tip every time a player won. For the rest of my time in the casino, I was known as New Jersey by the other players LOL. Still had a great time.

It can depend a lot according to your social situation. That's even from venue to vengue in Medellin, and especially in the US. You have to feel out each situation as you don't want to buck the norms. But sometimes the norms are in your favor, and the critic is pissed that they are being pushed out. It's up to you to weigh it.

P.S. I remember my years back in the 80's in sales, in midwestern and southwestern bars, and if you brought the cash they were missing, they had the music, weed, booze, and women. Getting your foot in the door is the same, no matter your country. You'll know it when that offer is made.

Thanks for the thought provoking post! You shocked me. Wink. Refreshing.

[Paulie97]

I loved reading this. This guy SUCKS and his complaining was annoying as hell. It's unfortunate he'll never realize he's the problem.

Then don't read what he has to say, though following that logic likely is too much for you. The guy's on the ground in Medellin constantly fucking, and the guy you are sucking off, JJBee, is crouched on a bed in a roadside motel writing up his ten five paragraph ISG posts for the day, after sending his "girlfriend" 100 via Western Union. Who would you rather be?

[Paulie97]

Excellent post. I don't think the businesses were being greedy when it started. They were actually trying to stay afloat. It was the 1920's when the USA was going through tough financial times and somehow the idea of the customers paying the workers instead of the business paying them worked and caught on.

America has gone mad. Like you said waitering and working at McDonald's are supposed to be entry level jobs that noneducated or preeducated people did. Now they are talking about a livable wage. Who would have wasted their time with school if they knew they could have made the same amount without going.

Per usual you go off pontificating without doing any research. That's ironic as tipping inspires work ethic, something you have little of. The practice way pre-dates the 20's, which was actually a financial boom in the US. It's true that the bit of philosophical resistance to the practice was squashed by then. The larger question is, why should anything be compelled to wait on, much less offer sexual services to a fat piece of shit like you without a tip? The whole idea inspires repulsion, thus the concept of "gratuity" is born. This as it gives laborers incentive to work harder while the prices of meals don't have to be increased.

Plus where do you get the idea that general laborers are not untitled to a living wage? There's a lot of that work that needs to be done, and it can't all be covered by suburban high school kids wanting to flip a few burgers to supplement their allowance. So there's obviously a lot of fat between your ears as well.

https://time.com/5404475/history-tip...nts-civil-war/

[Paulie97]

An uncontrolled outburst of anger and frustration, typically in a young child.

"he has temper tantrums if he can't get his own way".

Being pissed off does does not equate to a tantrum. I'm sorry but I didn't read the rest of what you wrote because if you're going to try to frame being pissed off internally but leaving a club with composure as a tantrum, then I really don't care about the rest of what you have to say.

Met up with a seeking girl. Not going to go into detail but have I mentioned how much I fucking love this city? Honestly it was the best sex I've ever had and I feel like Austin Powers after he got is mojo back. Sending good vibes, even to you JBee something or another.

You're there on the ground enjoying yourself, venting a few frustrations likely while intoxicated which is forgiveable. Some frustrations are fine and normal, as long as you get back on the field. Other than working for free for a webcam girl for a year who sent him home penniless, JJBee's experience is primarily about sending Western Unions to Medellin as he met a working girl there that he thinks is his "girlfriend. " That and buying videos from FB girls to whack off to, some of whom stiff him and he has to come here naming and complaining about them. And this all in the context of someone who has an opinion about everything, approaching 5000 posts in ISG LOL while out to break some kind of record.

Read the last post from JjBee on this thread and we will see who is having the trantrum, and a protracted one at that. Enjoy your trip and send more reports.

[Mr Enternational]

So, in countries that make their employees rely on tips, you need to tip. That doesn't make it good or right or sane. It just means some greedy business is convincing its customers to pay its employees.

Excellent post. I don't think the businesses were being greedy when it started. They were actually trying to stay afloat. It was the 1920's when the USA was going through tough financial times and somehow the idea of the customers paying the workers instead of the business paying them worked and caught on.

America has gone mad. Like you said waitering and working at McDonald's are supposed to be entry level jobs that noneducated or preeducated people did. Now they are talking about a livable wage. Who would have wasted their time with school if they knew they could have made the same amount without going.

[Frisky Frank]

I loved reading this. This guy SUCKS and his complaining was annoying as hell. It's unfortunate he'll never realize he's the problem.

To where it belongs.

The only entitled one here is you. As I've already repeated too many times, strippers asking for tips in strip clubs is normal behavior. If you don't tip them they don't have you thrown out and they don't get pissed off and start spouting irrational bullshit. They move on to the next customer. Where in that is the entitlement?

The entitlement is located somewhere between your belt line and your anus, which is where you seem to keep your brain. The entitlement is getting pissed off when a naked woman takes 1 second of your time asking for a miniscule amount of money. The entitlement is stomping out of the club pissed off when another girl does the perfectly normal thing the first girl did. The entitlement is ranting about the club paying girls so you don't have 2 seconds of your precious time wasted every 5 minutes by a naked woman hoping for a measly 2 k. The entitlement is calling a woman a perra because she's not at your door when you expected her.

Let's dig into that last one.

It was almost midnight when you set a 1 am appointment with the girl and you wanted her at your door at 1 am. Did you ever try to find a taxi at midnight in an estrato 1 or 2 neighborhood? Not a lot of taxis are sitting up there waiting around for non-existent customers. She probably knows a few taxi drivers and probably messaged them. To further speculate, when she messaged back for the address, she had most likely finally found one and was ready able to head to you.

If you had ever bothered to read the forum or pay attention to advice you would have checked back with the girl to make sure she was on her way. It's unreasonable to expect you to consider how difficult it might be for her to get a taxi at that time of night. Very few guys here think about that. However, reading the forum would have uncovered the advice to hedge your bets. If you want her there at 1 am, tell her 12:30. Greatly reduces your waiting around time.

Frankly, expecting a girl who is at least 25 minutes away to get ready, arrange transportation, arrange for someone to watch her kids and to be at your door in less than 2 hours is entitlement, especially so late at night. If the girl isn't somewhere working then she's in her pajamas with no makeup, watching TV from her bed at 11 pm. If she lives with her mother (likely) and has kids (also likely), she's got to wake her mother and tell her she's leaving, probably shower, put on makeup, brush out her hair and get dressed before trying to find transportation. If she can't find transportation (again, likely), she's stuck waiting.

How great the world would be if young, Colombian hookers would just send us a message explaining the problem, but they don't. So we're left waiting, and getting pissed. Of course with most of the guys here, if the girls did explain the situation they'd still get pissed.

There are almost certainly entitled hookers in Colombia, if you fiddle around with the definition of entitlement. Mostly, the ones you think are entitled are just like all of us. They've decided to only accept offers which meet their standards.

Back to your entitlement. You bitched about the ventilation in your Airbnb and demanded a different place. You didn't bother to consider that what you were so upset about is a standard feature throughout Medellin. You complain about the noise without considering that you're in a city of more than 4 million, with one of the highest population densities in the western hemisphere. There's going to be noise.

With most people I'd bend over backwards trying to salvage their trip, but any effort would be wasted on you. So go ahead with your ranting and crying and then get your entitled ass back where someone can change your diaper and pick up your pacifier when you drop it.

[RamDavidson84]

As to your first sentence, you are not wrong. So, in countries that make their employees rely on tips, you need to tip. That doesn't make it good or right or sane. It just means some greedy business is convincing its customers to pay its employees. Countries like Australia realize how demeaning that is. As far as to your second sentence, you are mostly right. But let's look at Washington state. Servers there get the minimum wage, which is among the highest in the country. And serving is pretty much an entry level job in the Yew Ess, not a profession such as in Italy, Spain, France, etc. And it is no coincidence that tipping is not prevalent there. So in WA all I might do is round say $23.80 to $25 and I don't this 'Hi, my name is Mindy and I will be taking care of you tonight' bullshit.

Yet, despite the fact that WA does not have a 'sub minimum wage' of 40% or 60% of minimum as they do in say CO, and despite the fact that Seattle city has an even higher minimum wage, the servers there still expect tips and shame non-tippers. Why? Because tipping is out of control in the Yew Ess. It is a cultural phenomenon that is metastasizing into arenas where it was not previously expected. Why did the advice to tip in restaurants go from 15% in my youth to 20% now? And please don't say inflation.

Let me give a recent example. Last week I was in Chile with a friend and we took a day tour. 15 people on the tour, 13 chilenos, my woman friend from the Yew Ess, and me. So as the trip grew near its conclusion, she asked me about tipping. I said that we would be getting dropped off almost last and that she, closer to the exit door, should watch to see what the locals did. What they did was thank the driver for a nice trip and shake his hand. 11 chilenos, 11 hand shakes, zero tips. So we got off the bus when only two chilenos remained. I gave the driver / guide a fist bump and complimented him on his driving. My friend shook his hand awkwardly because she was slipping him a tip. It embarrassed him.

Look, if you want to run a business and have employees, then why don't you pay them? It is insulting to me that you think I, as a customer, should be paying your employees, and it should be disgraceful to you. And yeah duh I understand restaurants and etc. Would have to raise their prices by a fair amount. So do that, and we would have an Australian type of model, and it would be way way better.

I must admit, I am clearly biased as an American, so take that into consideration as you read this. Here are some answers to the questions you asked. I am going to assume you have never run a business of your own. It is a lot easier to run a business when you only have to pay your workers minimum wage as compared to what ever wage you would have to compensate them if tipping was not customary. This allows more individuals to take a chance at being an entrepreneur and contributing to the private sector which is the back bone of the modern western economy. Here is an intangible benefit to think about as well. Self-reliance is a strong American ideal which not only contributes to a strong economy, but also gives a business owner a strong sense of self worth. Individuals who take ownership of their work usually out perform a salaried employee.

I am also going to assume you are not American, because I have never met an American who has been offended by the custom of tipping. Tipping allows the customer more freedom in his / her economic decision as to the amount they are going to compensate their service provider. If you are not a wealthy individual or the service was not particularly good, you can tip the minimum. If you enjoyed the service of the service provider and you have the funds to show your appreciation, you can tip more. The decision is yours to make. When I worked service jobs where a tip was involved, I can tell you from experience, I loved receiving big tips. It gave me a great sense of self worth and I really enjoyed the overall experience. It conditioned me to always provide good service. It also allows me now to really enjoy tipping others when appropriate as I know my show of gratitude will truly be appreciated. On the other end of that, yes it does suck to have to tip the minimum when you get an asshole who provides inadequate service.

I have heard from others that Americans are too quick to tip when not appropriate in foreign nations. I can recall one time gambling at a casino in Santo Domingo. I was tipping the roulette dealer every time I won. I was quickly given the death look from the others players at the table. I instantly understood that the Dominicans didn't want the dealers to start expecting a tip every time a player won. For the rest of my time in the casino, I was known as New Jersey by the other players LOL. Still had a great time.

[JjBee62]

To where it belongs.

You're not wrong. I'd actually go one step farther and say that I've outgrown this hobby altogether. I started banging hookers partly because I was put off by the entitlement of regular women. What do you do when you're put off by the entitlement of hookers? Something's got to give.

The only entitled one here is you. As I've already repeated too many times, strippers asking for tips in strip clubs is normal behavior. If you don't tip them they don't have you thrown out and they don't get pissed off and start spouting irrational bullshit. They move on to the next customer. Where in that is the entitlement?

The entitlement is located somewhere between your belt line and your anus, which is where you seem to keep your brain. The entitlement is getting pissed off when a naked woman takes 1 second of your time asking for a miniscule amount of money. The entitlement is stomping out of the club pissed off when another girl does the perfectly normal thing the first girl did. The entitlement is ranting about the club paying girls so you don't have 2 seconds of your precious time wasted every 5 minutes by a naked woman hoping for a measly 2 k. The entitlement is calling a woman a perra because she's not at your door when you expected her.

Let's dig into that last one.

It was almost midnight when you set a 1 am appointment with the girl and you wanted her at your door at 1 am. Did you ever try to find a taxi at midnight in an estrato 1 or 2 neighborhood? Not a lot of taxis are sitting up there waiting around for non-existent customers. She probably knows a few taxi drivers and probably messaged them. To further speculate, when she messaged back for the address, she had most likely finally found one and was ready able to head to you.

If you had ever bothered to read the forum or pay attention to advice you would have checked back with the girl to make sure she was on her way. It's unreasonable to expect you to consider how difficult it might be for her to get a taxi at that time of night. Very few guys here think about that. However, reading the forum would have uncovered the advice to hedge your bets. If you want her there at 1 am, tell her 12:30. Greatly reduces your waiting around time.

Frankly, expecting a girl who is at least 25 minutes away to get ready, arrange transportation, arrange for someone to watch her kids and to be at your door in less than 2 hours is entitlement, especially so late at night. If the girl isn't somewhere working then she's in her pajamas with no makeup, watching TV from her bed at 11 pm. If she lives with her mother (likely) and has kids (also likely), she's got to wake her mother and tell her she's leaving, probably shower, put on makeup, brush out her hair and get dressed before trying to find transportation. If she can't find transportation (again, likely), she's stuck waiting.

How great the world would be if young, Colombian hookers would just send us a message explaining the problem, but they don't. So we're left waiting, and getting pissed. Of course with most of the guys here, if the girls did explain the situation they'd still get pissed.

There are almost certainly entitled hookers in Colombia, if you fiddle around with the definition of entitlement. Mostly, the ones you think are entitled are just like all of us. They've decided to only accept offers which meet their standards.

Back to your entitlement. You bitched about the ventilation in your Airbnb and demanded a different place. You didn't bother to consider that what you were so upset about is a standard feature throughout Medellin. You complain about the noise without considering that you're in a city of more than 4 million, with one of the highest population densities in the western hemisphere. There's going to be noise.

With most people I'd bend over backwards trying to salvage their trip, but any effort would be wasted on you. So go ahead with your ranting and crying and then get your entitled ass back where someone can change your diaper and pick up your pacifier when you drop it.

[Huacho]

I could be wrong, but I always thought countries that don't expect a tip to the server factor that into the cost of the meal and pay the server more per hour. As an American, I can say with certainty that if you don't tip, you are an asshole, plain and simple. Obviously if someone's not American they have their own customs so they get a pass.

As to your first sentence, you are not wrong. So, in countries that make their employees rely on tips, you need to tip. That doesn't make it good or right or sane. It just means some greedy business is convincing its customers to pay its employees. Countries like Australia realize how demeaning that is. As far as to your second sentence, you are mostly right. But let's look at Washington state. Servers there get the minimum wage, which is among the highest in the country. And serving is pretty much an entry level job in the Yew Ess, not a profession such as in Italy, Spain, France, etc. And it is no coincidence that tipping is not prevalent there. So in WA all I might do is round say $23.80 to $25 and I don't this 'Hi, my name is Mindy and I will be taking care of you tonight' bullshit.

Yet, despite the fact that WA does not have a 'sub minimum wage' of 40% or 60% of minimum as they do in say CO, and despite the fact that Seattle city has an even higher minimum wage, the servers there still expect tips and shame non-tippers. Why? Because tipping is out of control in the Yew Ess. It is a cultural phenomenon that is metastasizing into arenas where it was not previously expected. Why did the advice to tip in restaurants go from 15% in my youth to 20% now? And please don't say inflation.

Let me give a recent example. Last week I was in Chile with a friend and we took a day tour. 15 people on the tour, 13 chilenos, my woman friend from the Yew Ess, and me. So as the trip grew near its conclusion, she asked me about tipping. I said that we would be getting dropped off almost last and that she, closer to the exit door, should watch to see what the locals did. What they did was thank the driver for a nice trip and shake his hand. 11 chilenos, 11 hand shakes, zero tips. So we got off the bus when only two chilenos remained. I gave the driver / guide a fist bump and complimented him on his driving. My friend shook his hand awkwardly because she was slipping him a tip. It embarrassed him.

Look, if you want to run a business and have employees, then why don't you pay them? It is insulting to me that you think I, as a customer, should be paying your employees, and it should be disgraceful to you. And yeah duh I understand restaurants and etc. Would have to raise their prices by a fair amount. So do that, and we would have an Australian type of model, and it would be way way better.

[RamDavidson84]

I guess every single Australian, New Zealander, and Japanese must be impolite then. Tipping is out of control. And especially don't take tipping advice from somebody who lives in Las Vegas, for god's sakes.

I could be wrong, but I always thought countries that don't expect a tip to the server factor that into the cost of the meal and pay the server more per hour. As an American, I can say with certainty that if you don't tip, you are an asshole, plain and simple. Obviously if someone's not American they have their own customs so they get a pass.

A very good friend of mine's mother put her self through nursing school while living in section 8 housing with her 3 kids and collecting welfare and working a side job as a waitress for extra cash. She made it very clear to us as kids, Hell is reserved for dudes who don't tip correctly. Chivalry is not totally dead if a scumbag like me still enjoys tipping a little bit LOL.

[JjBee62]

I guess every single Australian, New Zealander, and Japanese must be impolite then. Tipping is out of control. And especially don't take tipping advice from somebody who lives in Las Vegas, for god's sakes.

If they all go to places where the employees or contractors are paid by tips and they don't tip, yes, they're impolite.

Interesting thing about people who live in Las Vegas. They don't usually spend money at the same level as tourists visiting Las Vegas. The ones who don't learn control end up homeless. They understand that there's nothing wrong with tipping, without needing to throw money around.

[JjBee62]

Went there and 10-12 girls. They give you a note pad to write down the names of girls you would like to screw. Then you pick one of the independent contractors and they all try to charge you extra fees for services you though were included: kissing, DATY, BBBJ, etc. Would be better if they all were all inclusive and not independent hustlers.

Would it be? From what I've seen and what I know, when everyone is providing the same service, for the same price, the service settles in the mediocre level. There's no point in providing better service if you get paid the same for crappy service.

Unless you're talking slavery, the girls all choose to work there and they choose what level of service they will provide. Some see it as a chance to make more money. Some see it as a way to discourage things they don't want to do.