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Originally Posted by ColombiaLover
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Do we really believe these leftists have integrity? I don't see leftists / socialists really doing anything for the people, while at the same time damaging any progress made on capitalism. I feel for the Colombian people, I really do. At lest with Obama, the poor bought into (and some received) free Obama cell phones! Jejejeje.
Nice myth though it has gained a lot of mileage. Lifeline phone subsides started under the Reagan administration. Jejejeje Wink.
https://www.fcc.gov/general/lifeline...come-consumers
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Petro won by a sliver. As I wrote earlier, he is said to have been funded heavily by narcos and right wing interests. During his victory speech tonight he swiftly moved to the center while pandering to the poor masses: "we support capitalism," "we will grow the economy to distribute it," "no more violence."
Originally Posted by AmorPorFavor
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The ruling class in Columbia is very corrupt and there is extreme wealth inequality. This likely will lead to increased stability over the long term, improve conditions for the poor and reduce crime. Columbia has a history of political violence and there have been large protests that got violent recently. The people are sick of it and that why the leftist won. The other candidate was part of the status quo. And the new guy was the mayor of Bogota and I believe there is still some mongering going on there. So hopefully this will prevent political violence like we have here in the US (Jan 6).
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Exactly
Originally Posted by JustTK
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The vice president is a black woman too. Not some rich privileged bltch, but a representative of the people. She could also affect life on the streets a lot. Poverty, women's roles. Interesting times. I just hope it all works out well for the poor people here. They have needed this change for decades.
The ruling class in Columbia is very corrupt and there is extreme wealth inequality. This likely will lead to increased stability over the long term, improve conditions for the poor and reduce crime. Columbia has a history of political violence and there have been large protests that got violent recently. The people are sick of it and that why the leftist won. The other candidate was part of the status quo. And the new guy was the mayor of Bogota and I believe there is still some mongering going on there. So hopefully this will prevent political violence like we have here in the US (Jan 6).
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Petro's campaign is rumored to have been heavily funded by narcos. That is not unusual for Colombian politicians at every level.
Originally Posted by JustTK
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The vice president is a black woman too. Not some rich privileged bltch, but a representative of the people. She could also affect life on the streets a lot. Poverty, women's roles. Interesting times. I just hope it all works out well for the poor people here. They have needed this change for decades.
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They are completely different!
Originally Posted by Gabacho
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Well I don't think Colombia will ever be like Venezuela. There's a big difference between a left leaning socialist and a criminal dictator. As far as exchange rates go I'm hoping if he raises taxes and scares away foreign investment it will put the exchange rate more favorable for us. I don't think things will change much on the ground tho. Mxico hasn't changed much since AMLO was elected except for taking cartoon characters of of cereal boxes LOL.
Colombia is the 2nd oldest democracy in the western hemisphere.
Colombia remains the longest-standing democracy in Latin America, and its constitution was inspired by the democratic principles of the US Constitution. There is no comparison with Venezuela. Petro isn't the last dictator's bus driver who claims the dead dictator can talk to him. He's just a left of center candidate--like, clearly, the majority in Colombia are.
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Originally Posted by Gabacho
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Well I don't think Colombia will ever be like Venezuela. As far as exchange rates go I'm hoping if he raises taxes and scares away foreign investment it will put the exchange rate more favorable for us. I don't think things will change much on the ground tho. Mxico hasn't changed much since AMLO was elected.
The vice president is a black woman too. Not some rich privileged bltch, but a representative of the people. She could also affect life on the streets a lot. Poverty, women's roles. Interesting times. I just hope it all works out well for the poor people here. They have needed this change for decades.
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They're not similar
Originally Posted by Villainy
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Seriously? You think a leftist like Petro who believes in alleviating poverty and corruption in Colombia is "like" a military propped up dictator who believes in lining his own pockets and the rest of the population of Venezuela be damned. I don't think they are even remotely similar.
You are correct. They aren't remotely similar. I think the people who cry the most about the word 'socialist' can't even actually define the term!
I live on a Caribbean Island owned by the Netherlands. We have socialist Helathcare! OMG! We also have more rights, and more freedom than the USA!
There are differences in socialism, democratic socialism and being a 'leftist'.
Nothing much will change in Colombia outside of more candidates running in the future. If anything major changes it won't be until the end of Petro's term when we have the next peaceful transition of power--something today's republicans and the people who cry 'socialist!' the most don't seem to understand since January 6th, 2021 when the 'conservatives' in America tried to stage a coup against the US govt!. That trumpist fascist energy is a far greater threat to freedom and democracy than Petro!
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Originally Posted by JustTK
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I don't claim to have any special insight in to exch rates. But I imagine there will be a short term negative reaction by the establishment markets to the first left wing president of Colombia, which will be good for the mongering economic forecast. But after the initial resentment passes. Depends how the new party performs. Market shocks tend to pass quite qucikly, I imagine all the new party hope for is stability and support from its major regional and economic allies.
How about you. What do you think?
Well I don't think Colombia will ever be like Venezuela. There's a big difference between a left leaning socialist and a criminal dictator. As far as exchange rates go I'm hoping if he raises taxes and scares away foreign investment it will put the exchange rate more favorable for us. I don't think things will change much on the ground tho. México hasn't changed much since AMLO was elected except for taking cartoon characters of of cereal boxes LOL.
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Originally Posted by Gabacho
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Relevent in a good way or a bad way? If the exchange rate goes to 4300 or 4500 that would affect us in a good way. What do you think is going to happen?
I don't claim to have any special insight in to exch rates. But I imagine there will be a short term negative reaction by the establishment markets to the first left wing president of Colombia, which will be good for the mongering economic forecast. But after the initial resentment passes. Depends how the new party performs. Market shocks tend to pass quite qucikly, I imagine all the new party hope for is stability and support from its major regional and economic allies.
How about you. What do you think?
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Do we really believe these leftists have integrity? I don't see leftists / socialists really doing anything for the people, while at the same time damaging any progress made on capitalism. I feel for the Colombian people, I really do. At lest with Obama, the poor bought into (and some received) free Obama cell phones! Jejejeje.
Originally Posted by JustTK
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There is a growing solidarity in the region, which can only benefit all. If enough of them can elect presidents with integrity, I think there will be major changes, not just in their relationships with the USA, but opportunites for the people. .
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Originally Posted by JustTK
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Push this on to Talking Shlt, but I think it is relevant to mongering in the medium term in Colombia and MDE.
Relevent in a good way or a bad way? If the exchange rate goes to 4300 or 4500 that would affect us in a good way. What do you think is going to happen?
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Right. Like all bullies, it has to choose its victims well. Mexico is too close to home and part of NAFTA. And he is another left wing leader. Is pushing back against the USA and showing solidarity with Latinoland. I felwl we are really on the cusp of smthg.
"There can be no Americas Summit if all the countries of the American continent do not participate," Mr. López Obrador said. "Or there can be, but we believe that means continuing with the politics of old, of interventionism, of a lack of respect for the nations and their people. " (President López Obrador of Mexico said he made the decision because Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela were not invited.).
Push this on to Talking Shlt, but I think it is relevant to mongering in the medium term in Colombia and MDE.
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Originally Posted by NorthernLight
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Bernie Sander is also Socialist. Socialist doesn't equal to anti-America. And after October Brazil election, almost entire Latin America will have lefty government in office. Is US going to sanction them all?
NL, my gal sent me a text saying that she hopes this president respects private property, the free press, and entrepreneurship. The worst is that he is a climate change nut and wants to shut down oil drilling in Colombia. Why anybody would run on that now is beyond me.
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Originally Posted by JustTK
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The USA tries. It sanctioned Nicaragua, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia. All for electing presidents that the people wanted and the USA didn't. Much of Central America has also recently shifted left. And El Salvador didn't go left but also elected an anti-establishment people's president. There is a growing solidarity in the region, which can only benefit all. If enough of them can elect presidents with integrity, I think there will be major changes, not just in their relationships with the USA, but opportunites for the people. Also sounds like Colombia will normalise relations with Venezuela, wihch may make Venezuela a more attractive destination for single men, but reduce the nuimber of Venezuelanas on the streets of Colombia.
The US didn't sanction México after electing AMLO.
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Originally Posted by NorthernLight
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And after October Brazil election, almost entire Latin America will have lefty government in office. Is US going to sanction them all?
The USA tries. It sanctioned Nicaragua, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia. All for electing presidents that the people wanted and the USA didn't. Much of Central America has also recently shifted left. And El Salvador didn't go left but also elected an anti-establishment people's president. There is a growing solidarity in the region, which can only benefit all. If enough of them can elect presidents with integrity, I think there will be major changes, not just in their relationships with the USA, but opportunites for the people. Also sounds like Colombia will normalise relations with Venezuela, wihch may make Venezuela a more attractive destination for single men, but reduce the nuimber of Venezuelanas on the streets of Colombia.
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