Stupid shit in Medellin

[Huacho]

Do not rewrite history with non-sense like, "The USA engineered the Mexican Revolution". There is no evidence to support that statement.

Don't misquote me. I said they engineered the outcome. But, there's plenty of evidence they did both.

[Huacho]

The Gadsen Purchase was land Mexico peacefully sold to the USA.

Actually Santa Anna was broke (again), NM's governor unilaterally declared parts of the Mesilla Valley to be part of the Yew Ess, and Stephen Douglas and William Walker were putting pressure on México militarily. And this was only a few years after Guadalupe Hidalgo so the treaty was not 'negotiated. ' It was signed under duress. Just as was the Hay-Herran Treaty. After we offered Colombia either $25 or $75 million and they said no, we didn't negotiate. We just took it. See, for example:

Deeds, Susan M. (1996). "Gadsden Purchase". Encyclopedia of Latin American History and Culture. Vol. 3. New York: Charles Scribner's Sons. Pp. 1–2.

Ibarra, Ignacio (February 12,2004). "Land sale still thorn to Mexico: Historians say United States imperialism behind treaty". Arizona Daily Star.

Do not rewrite history with non-sense like, "The USA engineered the Mexican Revolution". There is no evidence to support that statement.

Dude. Wilson backed Carranza against Villa and Zapata and sent troops in to México (that is known as an invasion) to overthrow Huerta. The US Navy shelled Veracruz. Do you truly not know this stuff? He sent General Pershing and 12,000 troops after Villa (unsuccessfully).

https://veteranmuseum.net/research-u...ons-in-mexico/#text=President%20 Woodrow%20 Wilson%20 was%20 reluctant, by%20 seizing%20 the%20 port%20 of.

One of the first things Wilson did after he was inaugurated was pressure him to resign, and imposed an arms embargo when he did not. Read Freidrich Katz's 'The Secret War in México,' or Alan Knight's 'The US and the Méxican Peasantry,' to give two of the many examples of evidence. Or just read this wiki article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...can_Revolution

"the USA Navy bombarded the port of Veracruz and occupied Veracruz for seven months. Woodrow Wilson's actual motivation was his desire to overthrow Huerta.

Or: "The prevailing view among historians has been that Wilson interfered and intervened in México incessantly".

That's from 'Woodrow Wilson's Mexican Policy, 1913-1915' by KA Clements.

Maybe you prefer the Encyclopedia Britannica: 'The constitutionalist forces won the support of Woodrow Wilson, the new USA President, who refused to recognize Huerta, constitutionalist forces = Carranza.

And yeah, Panamá is now wealthy relative to most of Latin América. All of that should have accrued to Colombia. The efforts of de Lesseps shows that Colombia was willing to let a canal be built, just not for the price the Yew Ess was willing to pay.

You sound you still believe in 'manifest destiny' and appear to have no problems with the Monroe Doctrine. You should have been at Dien Bien Phu fighting for the French.

[JustTK]

How many countries is Venezuela allowed to trade with? Hmmm, are you sure its not corruption and socialism destroying the country? The USA only represents 5% of global population.

The USA uses the IMF and World Bank and plain old intimidation to get compliance from other countries to follow its demands.

[Elvis 2008]

Great speech by the president of Bolivia, about the growing popularity and power of political parties for the people in Latin America.

He calls for a shared homeland in South America. Hopefully Colombia will soon stop being the outtcast vassal state of the USA and join withtheir brothers and sisters to present a united front against oligarchy and exploitation of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62kZhX_FuVU

JustTK, I put $1500 into a Bolivian fund that represented a wide variety of Bolivian businesses. The broker was surprisingly honest. That fund under Maduro eventually went to $0. Had I put that money in an equivalent American fund, it would be worth $4000 today. Around the same time, I bought a company in Chile. If I had bought $1500 it would have went to $5000. I bought a Venezuelan company that had the best numbers of any company I had ever seen. With that $1500, I got $2000 after Hugo Chavez bought it and nationalized it. I bought an Argentine company that had vast real estate holdings and the price of real estate in Argentina soared while the stock did not. That asset appreciation all went to the owners of the stock.

The shocking part to me was going to a Venezuelan shareholder meeting where I got to see up close and personal how Venezuelans were. Even though Venezuelan law stipulated that 25% of all net income had to be paid out in dividends and Verizon owned 24% of the stock, I had to listen to worker after worker * about money being sent to the Verizon gringos. The workers were mad that the law was being followed and money was "wasted" by being sent to the rich gringos at Verizon. Meanwhile, Verizon / GTE had sprung for all the infrastructure in the country. They had built a thriving business and it was doing so well that Chavez decided to come in and steal it. Instead of asking to buy the company from shareholders, Chavez demanded the company and paid $20 a share. It was my feeling that the current value of the stock was $100 and could go up to as high as $500, but the Venezuelans were so deeply entrenched with the gringo ripoff they had the belief Chavez would be better.

In the end, Chavez tried to pull the same shit with oil companies. The world was thinking peak oil and Chavez thought companies like Exxon had to deal with them. Nope. Exxon invested in the USA and shale tech. Thing is the cost of production is 20 X that of the USA then it is in Venezuela but they knew how Chavez was. He would never keep his word. Every time, he would claim a company was cheating Venezuela, he would come in and either steal it or give pennies on the dollar. It was not just the gringos. The Chinese put a billion into a poultry farm and even had Chinese workers, and the Venezuelans managed to bankrupt that operation.

In the end, Venezuela, which has the largest oil reserves in the world, has seen their production shrink to just a trickle. By controlling every facet of the economy it left Chavez no competition for power, and the guy who so hated money and the rich so much smuggled $8 billion in cash and put it in his daughter's name who lives in the gringo city of Miami.

So how is Bolivia accomplishing an economic miracle when it is doing all it can to steal from investors? It is the same as Venezuela. Chavez got rid of all the legal businesses but the drug trade fought him and was allowed to flourish, and this current Bolivian president is talking about growing "legitimate" cocoa. Give me a fucking break. The Bolivian economic miracle is due to nothing but cocaine sales. If the USA ever got its head out of its ass and allowed drugs to be sold like it did with marijuana, the USA would be exporting cocaine to Bolivia because we could probably produce it better and cheaper than Bolivia could.

When I hear the rallying cry that government is the answer to everything and gringos are evil, I can scratch off investing a nickel into that country. Venezuela should be as rich as Saudi Arabia, and the reason it is not because people like me will never put one penny into until the culture is changed. The easiest way to have a poor country is saying government is going to fill all the people's needs. That shows contempt for those investors and managers who develop businesses that really cater to people's needs.

[Villainy]

How many countries is Venezuela allowed to trade with? Hmmm, are you sure its not corruption and socialism destroying the country? The USA only represents 5% of global population.

I'm sure. Venezuela is a rank dictatorship propped up by the military. The US is more 'socialist' than Venezuela.

[RamDavidson84]

It must be reassuring for you to know that the facts of modern day Vnzla are held in a fictional book written 70 years ago. And in the anecdotal knowledge of some girl that you know. I used to think that history was written by the vicstors of war, but clearly I was wrong. It was indeed written by some foreign gent 70 years before the event and by some random bird you met on your travels. Now that sounds like an episode for a new Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy book. Hehe.

How many countries is Venezuela allowed to trade with? Hmmm, are you sure its not corruption and socialism destroying the country? The USA only represents 5% of global population.

[RamDavidson84]

We were especially kind to Colombia by relieving it of Panam by starting a fake revolution, and perhaps even kinder to Guatemala by using the CIA to overthrow their freely elected president. And obviously we were a godsend to Mxico by stealing half their territory via the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and the Gadsden Purchase. Just before gold was discovered at Sutter's Mill. Mxico didn't need all that gold or the ports and coast of California and Oregon anyway. Nor the minerals in CO or AZ. The noble citizens of the Yew Ess deserved it much more because of Manifest Destiny and the Monroe Doctrine. And of course the Yew Ess engineered the outcome of the Mexican Revolution, whereupon the candidate they supported ran off with the entire treasury and was killed by his own security detail.

We did a bunch of noble shit in Chile too, assassinating their freely elected president. The Yew Ess is really a godsend to so may places, like Vietnam. Just so very noble, all that happened there.

Colombia refused to negotiate with the world to create the Panama Canal, so the Panamanians struck a deal to get the canal built and create a new nation. They then built the canal for the benefit of the world and the people of that region who still benefit from its' profits to this day. Look how much more wealthy Panama is compared to other Latin American nations. The world needed that shipping route and Colombia was standing in the way of global progress. I still don't condone the way it was done, but this did also take place during the "Age of Imperialism" when the strength of a bad actor's military was still mightier than the pen, this was just a reality of the time period. The United States using its' size and strength was not unique to just the USA, but all the world's most powerful nations.

Did Mexico have the means to extract and utilize the natural resources and bring civility and infrastructure to the lands in its' Northern Territories? No, they had 300 years to do it and they had just a few thousand settlers living there. For years, the USA pleaded with Mexico to allow the USA to purchase it's territory to build railroads which crossed the continent so the continent could be settled and cities and towns built where civilized modern societies could proser, but Mexico refused over and over again. This doesn't justify the war and it is still fucked up how the USA and Mexico settled this issue with violence, but again, this occurred almost 200 years ago in a very different time period and if you were not working tirelessly to defend and secure your territory, you were going to lose it. This was typical among all societies all over the world, look at the wars of Napoleon in Europe and the various conflicts and revolutions of South America. This is why Mexico quickly realized the war was not worth it and quickly surrendered and negotiated to sell these lands to the USA. And all that being said, I don't condone anything about the Mexican American War, but there is much more to it, than Americans are evil and took Advantage of Mexico. Do Americans still to this day sit around and cry about the "War of 1812" because the British attacked us and we blame all our problems on the British from wars that occurred 100,150, or 200 years ago- no we don't, because its silly.

The Gadsen Purchase was land Mexico peacefully sold to the USA.

Do not rewrite history with non-sense like, "The USA engineered the Mexican Revolution". There is no evidence to support that statement.

[Mr Enternational]

In fact, there are not many countries in the region that have not benefitted from the hand of the USA.

There is nothing for free. It is all give and get. China has started their thing in Africa and people are talking about how the Chinese are taking advantage of whatever. Depends on perspective. If the people were there thousands of years doing nothing with the resources and living in what some say are substandard conditions and some outsider comes and raises their standard of living while at the same time taking the resources that were laying there unused, is that a robbery?

Personally, I think it was genius that DeBeers convinced Westerners that a hole full of shiny rocks was worth something. Is it their fault that the natives did not think of it first?

[JustTK]

We were especially kind to Colombia by relieving it of Panama by starting a fake revolution, and perhaps even kinder to Guatemala by using the CIA to overthrow their freely elected president. And obviously we were a godsend to Mexico by stealing half their territory via the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and the Gadsden Purchase. Just before gold was discovered at Sutter's Mill. Mexico didn't need all that gold or the ports and coast of California and Oregon anyway. Nor the minerals in CO or AZ. And of course the Yew Ess engineered the outcome of the Mexican Revolution, whereupon the candidate they supported ran off with the entire treasury and was killed by his own security detail.
We did a bunch of noble shit in Chile too, assassinating their freely elected president. The Yew Ess is really a godsend to so may places, like Vietnam.

And Dom Rep, Hiaiti, Nicaragua, Honduras, Granada, Puerto Rico, El Salvador, Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, Paraguay. And that's just the past 100 years. The USA is the benevolent friend of all in Latinland, a real godsend. In fact, there are not many countries in the region that have not benefitted from the hand of the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...ary_operations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._regime_change#1917:_Costa_Rica.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKwJI9axblQ

[JustTK]

You need to read the book Animal Farm.

You have just tried to rewrite history here my friend and I just want to clarify the facts. I was dating a Venezulan chica on and off when all this was going on. She eventually went back to her family in Caracas but we kept in touch for years and she was telling about what was happening as it happen.

Fact: The reason that the Venezualen economy collapsed was because Hugo Chavez put "price controls" in place and merchants could no longer charge enough for their products to get what they needed to resupply with imports. Because price controls are a fantasy. All this happened at least 5 years before the US put any sanctions on them meanwhile the governement officals all live like oligarchs in Venezuela.

It must be reassuring for you to know that the facts of modern day Vnzla are held in a fictional book written 70 years ago. And in the anecdotal knowledge of some girl that you know. I used to think that history was written by the vicstors of war, but clearly I was wrong. It was indeed written by some foreign gent 70 years before the event and by some random bird you met on your travels. Now that sounds like an episode for a new Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy book. Hehe.

[RamDavidson84]

You mean his comments about Cuba and Vnzla? - they made no sense whatsoever.

"The same problems faced by Venezuelans and Cubans are they better off? Not by a long shot. Better for mongers? No, not at all. Take a look at the Cuban women getting arrested on the Malecon for just talking to a gringo. Better for mongers? I don't think so, how many of us are traveling to Caracas to monger in this great Socialist environment?

The reason these 2 struggle is due to the US embargo agsint both countries. Nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with the client vassel state stadning up against the mafia boss.

Do Cubans work in sex under socialism? Of course they do! What evidence does he have that it was better for mongers before Castro? None.

And Vnzlns too. Millions of them forced in to prostitution by the immoral embargo on Vznla by the capitalist bully. A fantastic bonanza for mongers.

So quite frankly, he is talking bollox. Its just a Gish Gallop against and an illogical attack on socialism without any substance.

USA is only 5% of the global population. Cuba can still trade with the European Union, Russia, China, and all of the South American nations, let's throw in African nations as well. Now how do you explain the fiscal irresponsibility of the Cuban and Venezuelan governments? Hmmm, maybe it's due to corruption and socialism? Nahhh- lets just blame it on the USA and ignore the fact that the two nations are run by dictators who refuse to allow democracy or a free market to determine the course of peoples lives and income. Who cares if corrupt dictators live in mansions while their beloved citizens eat out of the trash and father's allow their daughters to sell their pussies daily just to feed themselves. Let's just look the other way and totally blind ourselves to the millions of people who have fled these nations to the USA and other countries. I am not saying I agree with the USA embargo on the two countries, but I do believe their political and economic systems are to blame for the corruption of their government and their failing economy.

[Mojo Bandit]

The reason these 2 struggle is due to the US embargo agsint both countries.

You need to read the book Animal Farm.

You have just tried to rewrite history here my friend and I just want to clarify the facts. I was dating a Venezulan chica on and off when all this was going on. She eventually went back to her family in Caracas but we kept in touch for years and she was telling about what was happening as it happen.

Fact: The reason that the Venezualen economy collapsed was because Hugo Chavez put "price controls" in place and merchants could no longer charge enough for their products to get what they needed to resupply with imports. Because price controls are a fantasy. All this happened at least 5 years before the US put any sanctions on them meanwhile the governement officals all live like oligarchs in Venezuela.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-v...-idUSKBN18T2AD

[Huacho]

The USA has been a "Godsend" to the people of Latin America. The hard working, ambitious, innovative, highly educated, industrialized, and noble citizens of the USA have brought massive amounts of wealth, industry, political ideology, technology, and infrastructure to Latin America.

We were especially kind to Colombia by relieving it of Panamá by starting a fake revolution, and perhaps even kinder to Guatemala by using the CIA to overthrow their freely elected president. And obviously we were a godsend to México by stealing half their territory via the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and the Gadsden Purchase. Just before gold was discovered at Sutter's Mill. México didn't need all that gold or the ports and coast of California and Oregon anyway. Nor the minerals in CO or AZ. The noble citizens of the Yew Ess deserved it much more because of Manifest Destiny and the Monroe Doctrine. And of course the Yew Ess engineered the outcome of the Mexican Revolution, whereupon the candidate they supported ran off with the entire treasury and was killed by his own security detail.

We did a bunch of noble shit in Chile too, assassinating their freely elected president. The Yew Ess is really a godsend to so may places, like Vietnam. Just so very noble, all that happened there.

[RamDavidson84]

Great speech by the president of Bolivia, about the growing popularity and power of political parties for the people in Latin America.

He calls for a shared homeland in South America. Hopefully Colombia will soon stop being the outtcast vassal state of the USA and join withtheir brothers and sisters to present a united front against oligarchy and exploitation of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62kZhX_FuVU

I am curious how you view Colombia / Latin America as a vassal state to the USA? Do not fluff your answer with an irrelevant history of racism in the USA. I want to hear how today in 2020 in a land as rich and plentiful in Natural Resources as Colombia you think their poverty is the fault of the USA or "Oligarchs". I am not exactly sure what a "modern" vassal state is in your opinion, but this is how I interpreted your post. If I am wrong I apologize. It just seems ridiculous to me that a nation with a 500 year documented history and a population of over 50 million could be coerced into a mutual agreement with the USA which could result in a relationship which would hurt Colombia financially. Now I am sure the USA could use its global influence to get Colombia to perhaps agree to a financial relationship in which the USA gets the better of the deal, but I cannot comprehend how you could view any relationship between the two nations as a "Vassal" type relationship as you defined it. Any treaty Colombia is going to sign with another nation is going to somehow benefit Colombia, or they wouldn't sign the thing in the first place.

The USA has been a "Godsend" to the people of Latin America. The hard working, ambitious, innovative, highly educated, industrialized, and noble citizens of the USA have brought massive amounts of wealth, industry, political ideology, technology, and infrastructure to Latin America. After spending a great deal of time traveling to Latin America, I feel like Americans are the modern day slaves. Many Americans, especially white males, put their careers first and foremost before anything. This comes at a sacrifice in many other areas of life, such as a social and family life. To many American white males, to not succeed is unacceptable and anything less is an unforgivable sin. This is why white American males by far have the highest suicide rates. We place a very high value on our self worth in our ability to truly dedicate ourselves to a craft or a skill or in modern day terms a "career". This unselfish dedication is what has contributed most to building western society into the greatest most advanced civilization the world has ever known. I hope Latin America likes airplanes, nuclear power, automobiles, antibiotics, and democracy- because they all came from a group of people who most contributed to the success of the USA and this excess wealth and technology, has for generations spilled over into Latin America and even allowed many people from Latin America to come seek employment opportunities in the USA. I sometimes wonder what it would have been like to grow up in Colombia and just roam the streets, hang out with my friend, sell drugs, and bang smoking hot women for the first 25 or 30 years of my life like many Colombian men. It doesn't sound like a bad time at all. Sometimes I feel like Americans are the fools. Many Americans spend their youth staying up all night studying in school, training in competitive athletics to bring pride to your family and community, showing up to work on time no matter how sick or tired.

To me, when people state things like, "Colombia is a vassal state to the USA", it just comes off as really ungrateful be. S. And an excuse as to why maybe their country is not as wealthy as the USA. Wealth isn't everything, but if you don't put the work in you will not a nation of home owners, suv drivers, full pensiones, and healthcare with the best doctors in the world.

Hehehe In case you are wondering, I don't really believe all the be. S. I just wrote and I did write it to annoy all the liberals out there. Don't snap back at me too hard, but it is always a good idea to try to look at things from all perspectives.

[JustTK]

Great speech by the president of Bolivia, about the growing popularity and power of political parties for the people in Latin America.

He calls for a shared homeland in South America. Hopefully Colombia will soon stop being the outtcast vassal state of the USA and join withtheir brothers and sisters to present a united front against oligarchy and exploitation of the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62kZhX_FuVU