Stupid shit in Medellin

[JustTK]

Sorry it was 2 terms not 1 term, but Chavez removed that in 1999. So basically if that had not been removed then maduro shouldn't be running again because he has already served 2 terms.

Also he has a habit of wrongfully detaining the people running against him. There was some woman who was trying to run for president and he arrested her on some fake charges so she couldn't run. So yea I guess that is deemed fair.

Thanks Gabacho. So the law says he can stand again. He is following the law. He didn't even change the law himself. You might not like that law, but then its not your law. Creating obstacles to prevent competitors getting power. Just take a look in your own backyard, at the USA. Look at all the money, all the corruption, the murders, the silencing / deplatforming / defunding, of anyone that stands in the way, that wants to change the status quo. It has got so ridiculous and pitiful that the next election is a re-run between 2 of the least fittest people in the entire country to run it again. But people still tend to look at other countries and pretend its those countries that are the bad eggs. But anyway, we have veered off topic. Its USA and USA-led Western interference that brings about waves of refugees.

My point here is not so much to defend the actions of the Vnzla Govt, but rather to highlight that you are holding it to double standards.

[JustTK]

He's more or less correct. ..The history of South and Central America is filled with examples of US attempts to control countries, with everything from economic sanctions, to weapons supplies, to assassination.
The US was running things in Venezuela until Chavez came along. The US was running things in Iran until the student revolution. Add in the wars we've funded and we've long been creating waves of refugees.
But we refuse to accept responsibility for them.

Thank you.

[Nounce]

It caused alot of vennies to come to Colombia and fuck us for 40 mil a pop.

Yeah, if you are interested in that perspective. You can study Iran's history. It fits into what he said. There is even a PBS documentary about it.

[Gabacho]

While it does not seem to be working but it caused a lot of damages, and other consequence.

It caused alot of vennies to come to Colombia and fuck us for 40 mil a pop.

[Gabacho]

Sorry it was 2 terms not 1 term, but Chavez removed that in 1999. So basically if that had not been removed then maduro shouldn't be running again because he has already served 2 terms.

Also he has a habit of wrongfully detaining the people running against him. There was some woman who was trying to run for president and he arrested her on some fake charges so she couldn't run. So yea I guess that is deemed fair.

I meant 2009*.

[Nounce]

It doesn't seem to be working.

While it does not seem to be working but it caused a lot of damages, and other consequence.

[Elvis 2008]

The US does not want Nicolas Maduro to be the president of Venezuela. If he and his regime were to step aside and allow free and fair elections and peaceful transfer power to the next elected president, then the US would lift the sanctions and Venezuela could become more like Colombia. However Maduro refuses to step down and doesn't even respect his own country's constitution which limits him to one term.

Nah, Maduro is just an excuse. Saudi Arabia does not have elections, has a different religion, is horrible on civil rights, and has sponsored terrorists but the USA has gotten along fine with it. In fact, Aramco is the most profitable company on the planet.

Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia, and it should be as wealthy, and it was very wealthy until Hugo Chavez got into office. Thing with Chavez is anytime anyone started making decent money in Venezuela, Chavez would swoop in and take that business. He was afraid anyone with money could threaten his power. He would then take his stolen money and buy off voters.

So why is Venezuela so poor and Saudi Arabia so rich? The one word answer is theft. If you steal in Saudi Arabia, you get your hands cut off. If you steal in Venezuela, you get patted on the back, and Venezuela has stolen from everyone, American companies, European companies, China, Russia. There is nothing imperialistic about it. If you have shit property rights, you are guaranteed a shit economy.

If Venezuela had its shit together and produced as much as oil as it could have when the world needed it 10 or 15 years ago, there may have never been an American shale oil revolution, and Venezuela would be as rich as Saudi Arabia. As of now, the USA is swimming in oil and is or will soon be an oil exporter which makes Venezuela a competitor. So fuck them.

China and Europe need the oil. They have oil companies. They have bond markets. Let them deal with Venezuela and their thieving ways. Oh right, they already have and lost their asses. It is pathetic to be using American imperialism as an excuse when you have fucked over everyone.

[Gabacho]

My question to you is that does it work?

It doesn't seem to be working.

[Gabacho]

Gabacho, that is called political interference, plain and simple. USA screams blue murder when it suspects Russia or another country trying to influence votes in USA, yet it feels at liberty to sanction another country bcos it doesn't like the president. Talk about hypocrisy.

Recent elections in Venezuela were heavily monitored by international monitors, incl The Carter center, and were deemed fair. Only USA thinks the elections were not. No surprise there given USA wants to turn Vnzla in to a vassal state like Colombia, so that its industry can take it resources at unfair prices. Note. Colombia is slowing taking steps to move away from that unholy situation too.

Gabacho. Not sure where you read the Vnzla presient can only run for 1 term. I see nothing about that.

Sorry it was 2 terms not 1 term, but Chavez removed that in 1999. So basically if that had not been removed then maduro shouldn't be running again because he has already served 2 terms.

Also he has a habit of wrongfully detaining the people running against him. There was some woman who was trying to run for president and he arrested her on some fake charges so she couldn't run. So yea I guess that is deemed fair.

[JjBee62]

But JustTK says that it is the US that is making these countries do bad, by imposing economic sanctions, for example. It really just boils down to politics. The US does not want Nicolas Maduro to be the president of Venezuela. If he and his regime were to step aside and allow free and fair elections and peaceful transfer power to the next elected president, then the US would lift the sanctions and Venezuela could become more like Colombia. However Maduro refuses to step down and doesn't even respect his own country's constitution which limits him to one term.

He's more or less correct. The US ran things in Cuba for decades, our companies controlled all their exports. The wealthy in Cuba profited, the US profited and most Cubans suffered. Castro led the revolution and the Communists took over. Between sanctions against Cuba and subsidies to keep the price of Cuban exports low, the US ensured economic conditions in Cuba would not improve. The history of South and Central America is filled with examples of US attempts to control countries, with everything from economic sanctions, to weapons supplies, to assassination.

The US was running things in Venezuela until Chavez came along. The US was running things in Iran until the student revolution. Add in the wars we've funded and we've long been creating waves of refugees. Sometimes we welcome them, other times we shun them.

But we refuse to accept responsibility for them.

[JustTK]

But JustTK says that it is the US that is making these countries do bad, by imposing economic sanctions, for example. It really just boils down to politics. The US does not want Nicolas Maduro to be the president of Venezuela. If he and his regime were to step aside and allow free and fair elections and peaceful transfer power to the next elected president, then the US would lift the sanctions and Venezuela could become more like Colombia. However Maduro refuses to step down and doesn't even respect his own country's constitution which limits him to one term.

Gabacho, that is called political interference, plain and simple. USA screams blue murder when it suspects Russia or another country trying to influence votes in USA, yet it feels at liberty to sanction another country bcos it doesn't like the president. Talk about hypocrisy.

Recent elections in Venezuela were heavily monitored by international monitors, incl The Carter center, and were deemed fair. Only USA thinks the elections were not. No surprise there given USA wants to turn Vnzla in to a vassal state like Colombia, so that its industry can take it resources at unfair prices. Note. Colombia is slowing taking steps to move away from that unholy situation too.

Gabacho. Not sure where you read the Vnzla presient can only run for 1 term. I see nothing about that.

[Nounce]

But ...

My question to you is that does it work?

[Huacho]

But JustTK says that it is the US that is making these countries do bad, by imposing economic sanctions, for example. It really just boils down to politics. The US does not want Nicolas Maduro to be the president of Venezuela. If he and his regime were to step aside and allow free and fair elections and peaceful transfer power to the next elected president, then the US would lift the sanctions and Venezuela could become more like Colombia. However Maduro refuses to step down and doesn't even respect his own country's constitution which limits him to one term.

Well, the orange idiot didn't allow a peaceful transfer of power and of course does not respect his own country's constitution so I guess the Yew Ess is leading by example.

[SubCmdr]

Just my two unsolicited cents. Migrants hate being migrants. They would much prefer to stay in their home country and prosper. Economic instability and economic imbalance are the main drivers of migration. When things get better in a home country, you see less migrants from that country. Trends in migration to the USA are a direct result of us doing great and their origin country doing bad (economically). Improve the economy in an origin country and watch migration from it decrease. I won't get into political instability, because that affects economic stability, so the end effect is the same.

I agree with you 100 percent. I spent a lot of time in the Dominican Republic. I never talked to a Haitian that would not prefer to be able to live in their own country. But it was exactly as you said, political, economic instability led them to look for other opportunities outside of their own country. But in that sense I am a migrant also. Because I left my country of origin for the same reasons. Difference with me is that I don't want to go back. LOL!

[Gabacho]

Trends in migration to the USA are a direct result of us doing great and their origin country doing bad (economically). Improve the economy in an origin country and watch migration from it decrease. I won't get into political instability, because that affects economic stability, so the end effect is the same.

But JustTK says that it is the US that is making these countries do bad, by imposing economic sanctions, for example. It really just boils down to politics. The US does not want Nicolas Maduro to be the president of Venezuela. If he and his regime were to step aside and allow free and fair elections and peaceful transfer power to the next elected president, then the US would lift the sanctions and Venezuela could become more like Colombia. However Maduro refuses to step down and doesn't even respect his own country's constitution which limits him to one term.