Stupid shit in Medellin

[SubCmdr]

USA does not default. It makes the money printer go burr and inflates their way out of trouble. Inflation is theft. The greatest heist in the history of mankind.

LOL. The USA has never defaulted on its debt. Venezuela has done so close to ten times. The reason the world puts up with all that political BS is even with that their money is safer in the USA and in USA dollars than anywhere else.

Venzla are thieves? Oh you mean like the USA? The USA that steals and freezes the US dollar based assets and investments and funds of entire nations if they do not do what the USA tells them to do. The USA that has now encouraged other countries to start trading in oil in non-USD currencies bcos the USA are thieves and have started the downfall of their own currency as the world currency. OK.

You are 100% on target. I am deep into some things. The technology for an alternative payment system to Swift has already been created. Will the BRICS nations be able to come together to use it effectively? That is an open question.

Keep it in the front of your mind: an alternative payment system to Swift is already technologically possible and being tested.. It might pay to diversify. All eggs in one basket because you are patriotic or have hopium is not an effective investment strategy. If you didn't know, now you know.

[Elvis 2008]

Right. Saudi Arabia was stolen by the rich from its people. The sheikhs own everything and run the country with an iron fist. They allow large USA oil companies in the share the opportunity. Yes, I agree. That is the difference.

Yes, capitalistic nations are uneven. Your neighbor may have two cars while you only have one. In the socialist utopias, everyone outside of the pols has an equal number, none.

[Elvis 2008]

Venzla are thieves? Oh you mean like the USA? The USA that steals and freezes the US dollar based assets and investments and funds of entire nations if they do not do what the USA tells them to do.

LOL. The USA has never defaulted on its debt. Venezuela has done so close to ten times. The reason the world puts up with all that political BS is even with that their money is safer in the USA and in USA dollars than anywhere else.

[JustTK]

So why is Venezuela so poor and Saudi Arabia so rich? The one word answer is theft.

Right. Saudi Arabia was stolen by the rich from its people. The sheikhs own everything and run the country with an iron fist. They allow large USA oil companies in the share the opportunity. Yes, I agree. That is the difference.

[JustTK]

China and Europe need the oil. They have oil companies. They have bond markets. Let them deal with Venezuela and their thieving ways.

Venzla are thieves? Oh you mean like the USA? The USA that steals and freezes the US dollar based assets and investments and funds of entire nations if they do not do what the USA tells them to do. The USA that has now encouraged other countries to start trading in oil in non-USD currencies bcos the USA are thieves and have started the downfall of their own currency as the world currency. OK.

[JustTK]

Sorry it was 2 terms not 1 term, but Chavez removed that in 1999. So basically if that had not been removed then maduro shouldn't be running again because he has already served 2 terms.

Also he has a habit of wrongfully detaining the people running against him. There was some woman who was trying to run for president and he arrested her on some fake charges so she couldn't run. So yea I guess that is deemed fair.

Thanks Gabacho. So the law says he can stand again. He is following the law. He didn't even change the law himself. You might not like that law, but then its not your law. Creating obstacles to prevent competitors getting power. Just take a look in your own backyard, at the USA. Look at all the money, all the corruption, the murders, the silencing / deplatforming / defunding, of anyone that stands in the way, that wants to change the status quo. It has got so ridiculous and pitiful that the next election is a re-run between 2 of the least fittest people in the entire country to run it again. But people still tend to look at other countries and pretend its those countries that are the bad eggs. But anyway, we have veered off topic. Its USA and USA-led Western interference that brings about waves of refugees.

My point here is not so much to defend the actions of the Vnzla Govt, but rather to highlight that you are holding it to double standards.

[JustTK]

He's more or less correct. ..The history of South and Central America is filled with examples of US attempts to control countries, with everything from economic sanctions, to weapons supplies, to assassination.
The US was running things in Venezuela until Chavez came along. The US was running things in Iran until the student revolution. Add in the wars we've funded and we've long been creating waves of refugees.
But we refuse to accept responsibility for them.

Thank you.

[Nounce]

It caused alot of vennies to come to Colombia and fuck us for 40 mil a pop.

Yeah, if you are interested in that perspective. You can study Iran's history. It fits into what he said. There is even a PBS documentary about it.

[Gabacho]

While it does not seem to be working but it caused a lot of damages, and other consequence.

It caused alot of vennies to come to Colombia and fuck us for 40 mil a pop.

[Gabacho]

Sorry it was 2 terms not 1 term, but Chavez removed that in 1999. So basically if that had not been removed then maduro shouldn't be running again because he has already served 2 terms.

Also he has a habit of wrongfully detaining the people running against him. There was some woman who was trying to run for president and he arrested her on some fake charges so she couldn't run. So yea I guess that is deemed fair.

I meant 2009*.

[Nounce]

It doesn't seem to be working.

While it does not seem to be working but it caused a lot of damages, and other consequence.

[Elvis 2008]

The US does not want Nicolas Maduro to be the president of Venezuela. If he and his regime were to step aside and allow free and fair elections and peaceful transfer power to the next elected president, then the US would lift the sanctions and Venezuela could become more like Colombia. However Maduro refuses to step down and doesn't even respect his own country's constitution which limits him to one term.

Nah, Maduro is just an excuse. Saudi Arabia does not have elections, has a different religion, is horrible on civil rights, and has sponsored terrorists but the USA has gotten along fine with it. In fact, Aramco is the most profitable company on the planet.

Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia, and it should be as wealthy, and it was very wealthy until Hugo Chavez got into office. Thing with Chavez is anytime anyone started making decent money in Venezuela, Chavez would swoop in and take that business. He was afraid anyone with money could threaten his power. He would then take his stolen money and buy off voters.

So why is Venezuela so poor and Saudi Arabia so rich? The one word answer is theft. If you steal in Saudi Arabia, you get your hands cut off. If you steal in Venezuela, you get patted on the back, and Venezuela has stolen from everyone, American companies, European companies, China, Russia. There is nothing imperialistic about it. If you have shit property rights, you are guaranteed a shit economy.

If Venezuela had its shit together and produced as much as oil as it could have when the world needed it 10 or 15 years ago, there may have never been an American shale oil revolution, and Venezuela would be as rich as Saudi Arabia. As of now, the USA is swimming in oil and is or will soon be an oil exporter which makes Venezuela a competitor. So fuck them.

China and Europe need the oil. They have oil companies. They have bond markets. Let them deal with Venezuela and their thieving ways. Oh right, they already have and lost their asses. It is pathetic to be using American imperialism as an excuse when you have fucked over everyone.

[Gabacho]

My question to you is that does it work?

It doesn't seem to be working.

[Gabacho]

Gabacho, that is called political interference, plain and simple. USA screams blue murder when it suspects Russia or another country trying to influence votes in USA, yet it feels at liberty to sanction another country bcos it doesn't like the president. Talk about hypocrisy.

Recent elections in Venezuela were heavily monitored by international monitors, incl The Carter center, and were deemed fair. Only USA thinks the elections were not. No surprise there given USA wants to turn Vnzla in to a vassal state like Colombia, so that its industry can take it resources at unfair prices. Note. Colombia is slowing taking steps to move away from that unholy situation too.

Gabacho. Not sure where you read the Vnzla presient can only run for 1 term. I see nothing about that.

Sorry it was 2 terms not 1 term, but Chavez removed that in 1999. So basically if that had not been removed then maduro shouldn't be running again because he has already served 2 terms.

Also he has a habit of wrongfully detaining the people running against him. There was some woman who was trying to run for president and he arrested her on some fake charges so she couldn't run. So yea I guess that is deemed fair.

[JjBee62]

But JustTK says that it is the US that is making these countries do bad, by imposing economic sanctions, for example. It really just boils down to politics. The US does not want Nicolas Maduro to be the president of Venezuela. If he and his regime were to step aside and allow free and fair elections and peaceful transfer power to the next elected president, then the US would lift the sanctions and Venezuela could become more like Colombia. However Maduro refuses to step down and doesn't even respect his own country's constitution which limits him to one term.

He's more or less correct. The US ran things in Cuba for decades, our companies controlled all their exports. The wealthy in Cuba profited, the US profited and most Cubans suffered. Castro led the revolution and the Communists took over. Between sanctions against Cuba and subsidies to keep the price of Cuban exports low, the US ensured economic conditions in Cuba would not improve. The history of South and Central America is filled with examples of US attempts to control countries, with everything from economic sanctions, to weapons supplies, to assassination.

The US was running things in Venezuela until Chavez came along. The US was running things in Iran until the student revolution. Add in the wars we've funded and we've long been creating waves of refugees. Sometimes we welcome them, other times we shun them.

But we refuse to accept responsibility for them.