Stupid shit in Medellin

[JjBee62]

Let's be clear where you stand. So anyone who doesn't support lockdowns at this point is deranged? Anyone who doesn't support vaccine mandates is deranged? Don't go on some weird rant, just answer the question.

I see they took off your straitjacket again.

Here's another pro-tip for you: If you want me to answer a question, you need to post a question for me to answer. Rhetorical questions don't count. In case you're unclear on the concept of "rhetorical questions", your two questions above are rhetorical. Since you asked 2 similar questions, then asked me to "answer the question", those questions are clearly not meant to be answered. I've never said, nor insinuated either. I've pointed out that you're deranged, but that's something you illustrate with every post. In the future, ask the question, before asking for my answer.

What country besides China has controlled the virus? Okay, maybe there is a dozen other smaller nations that did. Do you 100% believe China, a nation of 1.3 billion people are telling the full truth about the covid response in their country?

Are you completely off your meds today? Did I mention China? I don't recall mentioning China. A quick review of my post shows no mention of China. Why are you bringing up China?

Why are you asking me what other countries have controlled the virus, when I already listed a small sampling of countries which controlled the virus? Is your insanity the result of untreated syphilis? Did you eat mercury as a child? Excessive exposure to lead? I listed 5 countries, none of which are China and you feign ignorance and start talking about China. Discussions about your sanity are warranted.

To make it more insane you say there might be other small nations which controlled the virus. Canada is the second largest nation on earth. Did you instead mean countries with a low population density? Singapore has the third highest population density. Perhaps you just meant countries with a small population? It's difficult to tell with an insane person. The fourth most populous country is Indonesia. Of their population of 273.5 million, 144 k have died from Covid, 0. 05% of the population. Would you prefer Pakistan, the 5th most populous country? The number is 0. 01%. Compare those numbers to the US, where 0. 4% of the population has died from Covid.

Go back to your padded cell. I'm sure someone will be by with your medication soon. Say Hello, to Nurse Ratched for me.

[Mr Enternational]

You also said we need to stop shaming, I'm assuming your talking about shaming people who argue that people shouldn't get vaccinated.

Who the hell ever argued that people should not get vaccinated? Last I saw there were people arguing that everyone should have to get vaccinated and others arguing that it should be a person's choice on whether to get vaccinated. Nobody is out there trying to stop those that want to get vaccinated do just that.

Why do you guys keep saying this dumb shit? There is pro mandate and pro choice, not pro mandate and anti vaccination. The people that do not want the vax, do not want it for themselves. They are not anti anybody else getting it.

[JjBee62]

You are weird. I am not saying weird is bad either, but you are a very weird man 100%. You walk around and just hand money out to random people. Its strange man. It seems like you need to buy love and friends with money. You seem pathetic and sad. I actually feel bad for you, I hope you buy yourself some comfort. Still weird, but I honestly feel sad and I ll back off the donating money thing out of pity for a poor old soul. I don't believe in kicking a man when he is down and you have obviously fallen very low to have to give money to strangers to feel some type of love or worth or whatever it is your handing money out to strangers for.

You donating money doesn't bother me, what bothers me is you attack others all the time and can't back up your attacks with facts or logic.

If you must know about me helping people. When I was in my twenties, I did a lot of work related to my career that I wasn't directly paid for. I have grown up since and my time is important to me and I do not work for free anymore. That doesn't make me a bad person, my work is quite valuable and few have the skill, credentials, physical strength, mental strength, or determination to work at my level. My compensation is very fair for the work I do. That is how a free market works. Most men would never have made it through what I have to perform the job that I do and I certainly don't do it for free anymore and will never again. If your a bump on a log and you have never dedicated yourself to a skill or craft, that's a waste of talent in my eyes. If all of society acted like that, it doesn't make for a very productive society, think Cuba or Venezuela.

Look, again I will state that I didn't mean to shatter the feelings of the snowflakes here when I said old people die. Look, its a shitty reality of life. We can't base national policy off saving cancer patients in their 70's and 80's. Its not logical. It is funny to me, that people are so biased they actually can't see that or they know it and are so devoted to their cause they won't admit it publicly or even on an anonymous forum.

Don't blame people for the virus. The virus was spreading no matter what. That's what viruses do. Outside of a total 3 month 100% lockdown, you were not stopping the virus. Biden wasn't stopping it and nether was Trump..

You wouldn't know a fact or logic if they were both tag team face fucking you. You use neither in your responses and have dodged both in every reply anyone has posted to you. Each of your posts is a continuous blather of logical fallacies combined with irrationality.

Again, you need to read and understand what you have read if you ever want to be seen as anything other than an insane troll.

Never have I said nor insinuated I "walk around and hand out money to random people. "Yet, that's what your deranged, damaged mind sees when I said "Someone has a legitimate need, if I can, I help."

Also again, if you hadn't chosen to pull me into your bitchy little twat fight, my use of my money would have never been mentioned. Accept responsibility for your lunatic behavior.

The economy. You're the one, on a psychotic break, who used the claim about destroying our economy. The economy and the plight of people living in poverty are not the same thing. If your complaint is about the effects on those living in poverty, don't talk about the economy.

Here's another tidbit of insanity from you: you pretend concern for those living in poverty, but you go complete Unibomber when I say that I help out people who are suffering and require assistance.

You just go on living in that fractured hall of mirrors which is your mind. I'll munch on my healthy snacks and wait for your next trip down crazy highway.

[Mr Enternational]

We should be told the truth about how effective the vaccines really were.

Seems the problem is people believing all they are told and nothing they are seeing or experiencing. After all the hard-nosing, #1 mandate champion Justin Trudeau was just announced to have covid. Lot of good that BS did him.

How many NBA players have been vaxed and contracted covid? Several of them have. Meanwhile Kyrie Irving is not allowed to play basketball in New York because he will not get vaccinated and has not caught any covid. At this point even a blind person can see the truth of how effective the shit is and should not need to be told.

[Mr Enternational]

Look, the poorest people in the country got hit fucking hard from this. They got poorer with out a doubt. Inflation didn't help ether. Crime is bad and people are desperate like I have never seen them. Doing desperate things to make ends meet. Its fucking sad man.

It is fucking sad, but the poorest people did not get hit hard or get poorer. Nobody is doing anything desperate to make any ends meet.

Crime is up because they made it public they would not arrest people for certain crimes. Therefore someone can go into a store and pick up $999 worth of shit and just walk right out with it, because they won't be arrested unless the value of the theft is $1000.

The government gave out and is still giving out free money and had rent moratoriums all over to help out the poor and hurt the mortgage holders the poor was paying rent to. Many people were able to quit their jobs in order to get more money from the government to stay home than they were making by working. My daughter did not even finish high school, but thanks to all the free money she is getting for her and her kids she was able to buy an Acura SUV. It will be interesting to see how she pays for it and the maintenance when the money stops.

There are tons of businesses desperate for new employees that they are doing things such as giving sign up bonuses and giving daily paychecks. But those you say are desperate and doing anything to try to make ends meet, are not desperate enough to go get one of those jobs. The lower class in the USA is definitely better off now than before the pandemic.

[Fun Luvr]

Jjbirdbrain goes into his long-winded posts criticizing others, often implying their lack of intelligence. Here's a couple of examples of his intelligence:

Every job that everyone does helps others.

He must consider bodily functions as jobs, since I believe those are the only things that everyone does.

You also said we need to stop shaming, I'm assuming your talking about shaming people who argue that people shouldn't get vaccinated.

He appears to not know the proper punctuation to use, and he doesn't know when to use "you're" instead of "your".

[Osteoknot]

You have a few omissions in your data irregularity discussion. The main one is people who were never tested.

Unfortunately for your point of view, you got sucked into the most classic wormhole of all time, and you supported my side of the argument by pointing out my omission. Thank you, and I mean that sincerely. We agree more than disagree.

For the sake of the forum, and for me to shift my scattered attention back onto why I am here in Medellin in the first place, you may certainly have the last word if that suits you.

If we ever happen to meet up, I would be happy to bring up the topic again, if you wish. Gracias.

P.S. What you referred to as a pinnacle of my career I view as the nadir. Go figure, jaajja. Two opposites in one post that I can see. Your link was great, it felt so apropos and yet I don't know why, jajajjaa. Ostee Out.

[RamDavidson84]

Insane? Pretty close. I've got a bit of time to waste, so let's revisit it.

"Old people die Huacho LOL."

Not only does your opening line demonstrate a complete lack of empathy, you tack on a LOL to show that the idea of people dying prematurely is funny to you. If you're arguing that your post wasn't insane, you're off to a bad start.

"You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years. "

I'll give you a pass on the 2 years part, even though in the US, absolutely no attempt was made to control the virus until April 2020. Let's just focus on "we haven't been able to control. "

Every attempt at control has met with fierce resistance. There was even a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan because people didn't want to wear masks. There was only one 4 week period when the US made a real attempt to control the virus. It was effective. As soon as it became obvious we were having success almost everyone stopped following the measures which were successfully controlling the virus..

Let's be clear where you stand. So anyone who doesn't support lockdowns at this point is deranged? Anyone who doesn't support vaccine mandates is deranged? Don't go on some weird rant, just answer the question.

What country besides China has controlled the virus? Okay, maybe there is a dozen other smaller nations that did. Do you 100% believe China, a nation of 1.3 billion people are telling the full truth about the covid response in their country?

[RamDavidson84]

You have never been to Colombia based on your posting history. In fact based on your posting history you are a virgin. You probably mostly engage in felching.

Huachoooooooooo Libreeeeeeeeeee LOL. Huancho, mi amigo, lets get "tacos" some time and drink a few "cervezas". I'll buy because your probably a little "short" on cash. You seem like a bueno amigo hahaha.

LOL, this isn't an attach ether, he jumped in first, I am only responding to "mi mejor amigo".

[RamDavidson84]

Read what you wrote. Old people die LOL. What's so funny about that? And you also said let the healthy live. You don't seem to be a Nazi at least not a real German Nazi. But you do seem to be a very angry person. Since you are so smart, what is your solution to the virus and where have you travelled in the last 3 years?

Its funny how stupid people can be. I am not laughing at people dying and if you weren't so blindly loyal to your vaccine religion shit, you would have easily understood the actual meaning of my post. You really want to create national policy around people with cancer or diabetes in their 80's dying? It doesn't seem to be the healthiest thing for "all" of society. Again, you can twist my words and put your illogical biased spin on things to make yourself feel good, but I was never laughing at people dying, just laughing at your stupidity.

There is no solution at this point. You are not going to stop the virus. We should be told the truth about how effective the vaccines really were. Let people at least hold on to their jobs and keep the economy strong. Keep the schools open so our youth can receive a proper education and childhood. One thing I will give Biden credit for is he kept things open mostly.

[RamDavidson84]

You would help your cause immensely if you took the time to read and understand what you respond to. If you had properly understood my post there would be no need to go back and forth.

"Last year my cash donations came up to almost 25% of my income (and none of that went to a church or other non-profit group). " Yet you respond " I have never met a dude who donates 25% of his hard earned cash to charity. "

I don't donate cash to charities. I help out people who, for whatever reason are in need. The reason is simple. Every non-profit organization uses some of the money for overhead, salaries, advertising, or political donations. If I wanted to pay people to decide which people deserve assistance, I'd start my own charity.

Someone's house burns down and they lose everything, I spend some money helping them recover. Someone has a legitimate need, if I can, I help.

You don't have to guess about what I do with my money. Although your guess is hilarious, since you label ISG as a "filthy sex mongering forum." There's some serious self-hate in that label. You obviously monger, but you consider mongering as filthy. Perhaps we've found the core of your anger.

If my posts are weird and they bother you, it appears the problem lies with you. You claim I'm here 24/7 writing dozens of posts, so I went and looked. That's part of the process of gaining knowledge. If you just blindly accept what you're told, you learn nothing and often end up looking like a fool.

Since I looked at my post history, it made sense to look at yours. At that point you only had 109 posts. It took 2 minutes to scan through and count how many were posted in this thread. Since you now post exclusively in this thread, you're making yourself look worse with every post.

Paulie has jumped in and attacked you many times? Go ask mommy to kiss it and make it better. Then, after you dry your tears, explain why you decided to include me in your response to Paulie. If you had left me out of your rant, we wouldn't be having this discussion..

You are weird. I am not saying weird is bad either, but you are a very weird man 100%. You walk around and just hand money out to random people. Its strange man. It seems like you need to buy love and friends with money. You seem pathetic and sad. I actually feel bad for you, I hope you buy yourself some comfort. Still weird, but I honestly feel sad and I ll back off the donating money thing out of pity for a poor old soul. I don't believe in kicking a man when he is down and you have obviously fallen very low to have to give money to strangers to feel some type of love or worth or whatever it is your handing money out to strangers for.

You donating money doesn't bother me, what bothers me is you attack others all the time and can't back up your attacks with facts or logic.

If you must know about me helping people. When I was in my twenties, I did a lot of work related to my career that I wasn't directly paid for. I have grown up since and my time is important to me and I do not work for free anymore. That doesn't make me a bad person, my work is quite valuable and few have the skill, credentials, physical strength, mental strength, or determination to work at my level. My compensation is very fair for the work I do. That is how a free market works. Most men would never have made it through what I have to perform the job that I do and I certainly don't do it for free anymore and will never again. If your a bump on a log and you have never dedicated yourself to a skill or craft, that's a waste of talent in my eyes. If all of society acted like that, it doesn't make for a very productive society, think Cuba or Venezuela.

Look, again I will state that I didn't mean to shatter the feelings of the snowflakes here when I said old people die. Look, its a shitty reality of life. We can't base national policy off saving cancer patients in their 70's and 80's. Its not logical. It is funny to me, that people are so biased they actually can't see that or they know it and are so devoted to their cause they won't admit it publicly or even on an anonymous forum.

Don't blame people for the virus. The virus was spreading no matter what. That's what viruses do. Outside of a total 3 month 100% lockdown, you were not stopping the virus. Biden wasn't stopping it and nether was Trump. Like I have said before, all you can do is let people live their lives, make vaccines available, make masks available, social distance, and other things to slow it down a little, but we can't control it. Had the vaccines actually been close to 90% effective, maybe we could have controlled, but I "think", my "opinion", we were all lied to.

When did I say the US is the only country in the world? But whatever you need to vent and make shit up about again because you can't muster a solid argument.

As for the economy, I live in the real world, interact and work in an urban environment everyday. Look, the poorest people in the country got hit fucking hard from this. They got poorer with out a doubt. Inflation didn't help ether. Crime is bad and people are desperate like I have never seen them. Doing desperate things to make ends meet. Its fucking sad man. Maybe the economy did grow, but I guarantee you the lower class are not better off than before the pandemic. 100% I guarantee that.

I am referring to shaming people who oppose vaccine mandates when we have close to a million cases of covid a day. Some countries want to mandate vaccines for truckers who work by themselves and there is a supply chain shortage. Yea those people need to chill and not shame someone who doesn't support mandates and just wants to work and feed his or her family.

One last final thing, you wrote absolutely nothing valid to any of my arguments. Again, you just look like a sad old soul LOL. It is what it is I guess.

[Elvis 2008]

Another one for Elvis.

Superb discussion. Have you heard much of Brett Weinstein? Intelligence is one thing he is not lacking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_KpBzFrcY

That's what I am talking about when I tell you Covid is a giant clulsterfuck and shitshow. The train has left station. That ship has sailed. There is no valid data upon which we can draw useful conclusions about current state. If you happen to be right it is by intuition or dumb luck. That's why it is unnecessary for me to read all your posts about this because those of you who are arguing the loudest and the longest are the same ones who are the most clueless.

There is no giant conspiracy or any dominant force controlling anything with Covid other than nature, or God, or The Cosmic Blueberry Muffin, whichever you prefer. There may be groups that wish they could interject their control, but they can't, because you can't organize random mass chaos.

Osteo's latest blowhard proclamation got me thinking about how much had changed and how little people know about it.

JustTK, I did not get what Weinstein and his cohost here were talking about insects when I listened to this podcast, and it is because they skipped a step. Weinstein was saying that there are waaay less insects than they were, and his cohost agreed with him, and I thought that was just some worthless anecdotal statement.

Maybe you have heard of CRISPR (Osteo probably thinks it is a way to make a better salad) but basically it is a way to do like a computer and cut, copy, and paste genetic material, and it too is cheap, very cheap in that world.

So here is an article on the use of CRISPR, and once I read it, I got what Weinstein was talking about: https://www.cnet.com/news/the-crispr...ntire-species/.

Applying the technique to a population of malaria-carrying mosquitoes? Well, that might change the world.

In September 2018, a research team at Imperial College, London, led by Andrea Crisanti and featuring pioneer Austin Burt, revealed it had generated a CRISPR gene drive that caused a total population collapse in lab-bred Anopheles gambiae mosquitoes.

The researchers targeted a gene known as doublesex, which acts like a gatekeeper that decides whether a mosquito becomes a male or a female. By altering this gene, the team was able to breed female mosquitoes that were infertile and had mouthparts that could not draw blood. In essence, they flipped a genetic switch that caused females to develop more like males.

As soon as I read this, I knew what Weinstein was referring to and maybe he could not just say what he meant. He was implying these scientific fuckers have already been doing it. They are fucking with insect populations right now, and I am not sure there is any way to catch them doing it.

Fauci is such an arrogant ass he turned back on gain of function research after being told not to and caused the whole fucking pandemic. The irony is how few people get it. The fucker should be in jail, yet so many people want to put a medal on him.

Weinstein's point is well taken. What now? We know these fuckers are so arrogant they think they can contain or control whatever mess they create, and Covid is and was proof that they cannot.

The other irony and this is the scary part Weinstein referred to: these scientists can control the narrative, and you can see how many people, even on here, have bought so much of the crap these "scientists" have been selling even to their personal detriment like Huacho.

[Elvis 2008]

Evidently a lot less people really want these jabs than the numbers say.

Yeah, it is crazy to believe that people do not want to be vaccinated twice with an experimental product for a virus with a 0.16% hospitalization rate. Oh, I am sorry I should have said vaccinated thrice. By the time I am done typing this, we will probably be at being vaccinated 4 X.

Making a digital trail is really a rookie mistake. Do your dirt, but for scammer sake don't put the evidence in the state's database!

Yeah, a buddy of mine asked me to ask the Mexicans about a vaccine card, and I forgot to ask. That is probably how I would do it. Get a foreign card. We were serenaded with guys in Cabo wanting to sell us cocaine, molly, and pot. I kind of wonder what those guys would have said about getting a fake vaccine card. The way the vaccine Nazis are I could just imagine the response, "We do not sell dangerous stuff like vaccine cards, only safe stuff like cocaine."

[JjBee62]

Yet another topic that I should have previously listed in order to properly understand the Covid issues, probably next to the bell curve stuff, is of course p values and null hypotheses, basic stuff. I am certain I could come up with many more relevant topics if I put in the time and energy.

Assume for a moment you answered "yes" to all the topics I mentioned previously about what you needed to have for at least a working knowledge to understand the Covid issue. Then I would have to ask you, on what basis are your arguing your point? Do you have some secret inner knowledge or magic powers that enlightens only you and no one else in the world?

El Capo's story was the tip of the iceberg. Believable. That's not supposed to happen. Or let's say there is no utility in counting his outcome as a positive test result, because he wasn't sick. Or is there? Does he pass on the virus and make other people sick? And do they do the same? No one knows. People who tell you they know, don't know. That is the most common pitfall of people with above average intelligence, they don't know what they don't know.

There are significant enough errors in the totals of all the following data sets to render them unusable and corrupt:

People who didn't get "sick" but tested positive (Capo).

People who got sick and tested positive (this is the data set that needs the highest specificity) who lived or died (and highest positive predictive value).

People who got sick with Covid but tested negative, for numerous reasons, the least of which is not the unidentified mutations circulating in the population right now. Huge factor.

People who didn't get sick but tested negative and were still carrying and transmitting Covid with varying, unknown pathogenicity (significant, yet totally uncounted).

People who tested negative and died from Covid (you probably didn't even think of that one).

Not only are their significant numbers in each of these cohorts, except for perhaps the last one, the numbers are off by way more than a significant margin within each cohort. We have no idea of the accurate numbers in each cohort because of unreliability in testing, collecting data, and outcome measures. The exact mechanisms of those errors are many and beyond the scope of this answer. You could write a book about it and maybe I will.

That's what I am talking about when I tell you Covid is a giant clulsterfuck and shitshow. The train has left station. That ship has sailed. There is no valid data upon which we can draw useful conclusions about current state. If you happen to be right it is by intuition or dumb luck. That's why it is unnecessary for me to read all your posts about this because those of you who are arguing the loudest and the longest are the same ones who are the most clueless.

There is no giant conspiracy or any dominant force controlling anything with Covid other than nature, or God, or The Cosmic Blueberry Muffin, whichever you prefer. There may be groups that wish they could interject their control, but they can't, because you can't organize random mass chaos.

The reason everything is so unnatural right now is because this is the first major epidemic since the invention of the Internet, and just like assholes, everyone has an opinion and if they rant loud enough they can get heard..

You have a few omissions in your data irregularity discussion. The main one is people who were never tested.

As far as data collection goes, it has never been perfect and never will be. Yet, imperfect data is collected, analyzed and used daily. The pinnacle of your professional career depended entirely on imperfect data.

That's the inherent problem with any scientific endeavor. You do the best you can with the best data you can get. Then you work to improve your data and improve your understanding. This is the reason why the pinnacle of science is the Theory (as opposed to a theory, which people use any time they make a wild ass guess).

A Theory is the best explanation currently available, which accounts for all available data without contradiction. If there is a contradiction, the theory must be changed. When more and better data becomes available, the theory must be changed. It's a process of constant improvement.

Letting the virus run unchecked from the beginning, would have been the tough love approach, sink or swim. Technically, that's exactly what the US did for about 3 months. Would that have been more beneficial in the long run? Your guess is no better than mine. Rates of mutation are variable, however, more infections increases the probability of mutation. Unfortunately, mutation has no predetermined vector. A virus doesn't prefer to mutate towards higher infection rates and lower fatality rates. There is always the possibility of a variant with a much higher CFR. At what level do you decide that doing nothing doesn't work?

It's like this:

https://youtu.be/RYbyExBu1mk

My casualty response philosophy was instilled in me in the Navy. Letting a fire burn itself out isn't an option when you're 400' below the surface. Taking the minimal approach also isn't a good idea. The only consistently effective solution is to throw everything you have at the problem.

Would that have worked? It seems to have been effective in several countries. Even if you don't completely extinguish the pandemic, you buy time to develop better protective measures, better treatment options and develop vaccines. All of that buys you more time, better treatment, improved acquired immunity, better vaccines.

However, Pandora has already done her thing and it can't be undone.

[Elvis 2008]

I did not personally profit from the pandemic

So why should anyone listen to you now?

I did not suffer financially from COVID. But, emotionally it was a vast wasteland and I think I'm fully recovered from that, but I'll never be sure. Severe lockdowns where I was reminded me of jail and may have scarred me a bit more. I went six months without pussy and had to survive on beer and weed.

Then you suffered more than anyone I personally know who had Covid, even people who got admitted to the hospital, which begs the same question, why would anyone listen to you now?

Unlike you, I have been in the Lion's den with Covid. I have seen people with oxygen saturations not compatible with life for long, huffing and puffing with Covid, and I have been exposed. But I have not let Covid slow my life down at all.

I am on the empty beaches, the half full flights, the discounted hotel rooms, and am banging all the hotties guys like you have left behind. When Colombia closed, I bagged Mexican babes. When Colombia opened back up, I was like a kid in a candy store.

And the biggest difference between us? You believe the media! Ha ha ha ha!