Stupid shit in Medellin

[Nounce]

What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.

If you read carefully, he has never said to speed it up.

The question is at what cost?

Let's say the correct way is to save live at any cost, forever, do you agree with this position?

If yes, I think this is at one end of the spectrum of all choices. Some people who don't agree are questioning this single end of spectrum position. I will also add this is an almost impossible choice for a democratic country like US to take if that includes forced quarantine of anyone regardless of the infection status.

If no, then it seems to me that people share a common ground except numbers are different. It goes back to the question of at what cost?

[ShooBree]

What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.

Lmfao, you're obviously too stupid to understand the full situation. I'm not saying that you're a terrible person but the consequences of the actions you're supporting are terrible.

[RamDavidson84]

What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.

I am not saying we should do anything to speed up death for anyone who is at risk. I do not mean to disrespect anyone based on age or health. It is funny to me because it is so glaringly obvious that we cannot control this virus and whether or not we have lockdowns, vaccine mandates, travel restrictions, etc. The same amount of people at this point are going to contract the virus. We might as well preserve our economy and freedom rather than destroy it in the name of politics, shaming, and fear mongering. I feel sorry for those affected by this virus, both young and old. The young losing out on normalcy during childhood and of course the elderly losing out at enjoying their golden years. As I have said before, this virus is a force of nature, it's like trying to control a hurricane, you can't to a certain degree. All you can do is minimize the damage it causes. I didn't need to do 12 hours of reading peer reviewed studies either to come to this conclusion. I am very concerned about real world problems like crime, inflation, and social isolation which is also wreaking havoc across society. Poor have gotten much poorer during this pandemic and it should addressed as much or if not more than vaccine mandates and travel tests for tourists.

I don't see how anyone can say what I wrote is insane, but I am sure haters will come out and spit venom because I am not a sheep in the herd.

[Elvis 2008]

The Good Life. And the real star of the show wasn't even in those 6 minutes!

Right my bad. It was the Good life, and Felicity Kendal, the real star, was the second winner of rear of the year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear_of_the_Year.

It is amazing that contest is still going on in these days of PC.

Thing about Osteo's proclamation about truth is that you look at all these people who were wrong:

Joe Biden: You're Not Going To Get COVID If You Have These Vaccinations.

Tony Fauci: You Become A Dead End To The Virus.

Rochelle Walensky: "Vaccinated People Do Not Carry The Virus They Don't Get Sick. "

Alberta Bourla: "The COVID-19 vaccine was 100% effective in preventing #COVID19 cases in South Africa. 100%.

Bill Gates: "A key goal of the vaccination program is to stop transmission. "

Rachel Maddow: "Now we know that the virus stops with every vaccinated person. "

Francis Collins: "'Reason to be pretty optimistic' that the available COVID-19 vaccines will be effective against the new Omicron variant of the virus; All of the other variants that have emerged during this COVID-19 pandemic have shown response to the vaccine, including Delta.

Brian Stelter: "The newspaper USA Today describes 'America's fourth Covid-19 surge,' noting this 'didn't have to happen,' since vaccinations are so widely available. The headlines are followed by a call to action: 'Let's end it now. '

Then you have this jewel from Adam Carolla: "You closed the beaches down, you closed the schools down, cloth masks were going to save us all, the vaccine was going to be effective, natural immunity wasn't effective what have you been right about?

The comedian then asserted that he would be confident in putting Joe Rogan's batting average up against CNN's batting average "any day of the week," referring to CNN's infamous dismissal of Ivermectin as horse dewormer.

The irony about that is we have had people here saying, "Well, you know, the lockdowns / vaccines / whatever were never predicted to get rid of Covid. "

Of course, it is not Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is just allowing doctors like Dr. Malone and McCollough, who IMO have been way closer to the truth than anyone else, to be allowed to speak because censorship has been off the chain.

I myself did not see the waves every 3 months coming with Corona (not sure who did though) and have kicked myself for not being educated on the natural history of viruses. So I made a decision on being vaccinated without knowing all that I should have. Still, I am not sure had I known I would have done anything different. As I said, my choice in getting vaccinated a second time was purely political, and the notion that my getting vaxxed gives me any kind of superior standing, as so many others think, is IMO moronic.

From a health POV, the notion that being vaxxed puts you medically in a better place is a dubious claim. But from a political POV and the ability to travel, the risk of being unvaccinated is there and seemingly getting worse by the day.

But to have a guy run out and catch Covid and then gets vaccinated after getting sick and thinks he knows all about the virus? That is too much to take.

That overconfidence, the giraffe I referred to, has been mapped out by Dunning and Kruger.

I like the graph here and maybe you can agree or disagree if we have someone looking down from Mount Stupid: https://understandinginnovation.blog...in-innovation/.

And then you have the wonderful article here upon which the graph was based: https://josephparis.me/my-articles/l...rom-mt-stupid/.

[JustTK]

What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.

I never accept that I am old. But if I live much longer, I can't pretend for many more years. BUt one thing is for sure. I certainly would not be so selfish as to ruin children's education, and to impose on the every day freedoms that younger people should have, just bcos I were be at a higher risk. That would be smthg that I must manage, not expect everyone else to suffer for.

[ChuchoLoco]

Old people die Huacho LOL. It's part of life. You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years. At this point anyone advocating for vaccine mandates or crazy restrictions is not thinking clearly and following the "science". Even besides the "science", the people have spoke, no one gives a fuck anymore. Let people live while they are healthy and if you are at risk, you should be the one quarantining. Not shutting society down for people who are on their death beds anyway.

What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.

[Nounce]

Please explain what was crazy about my rant..

I associate them together, it is my read, don't know what he meant.

... I see (of the many) argued here about Covid is that people confuse population health with individual health.

... The only recent post that came close was RamsButt or whatever his name is, his insane sounding rant was actually closer to the truth than anyone has acknowledged ...

Old people die Huacho LOL. It's part of life. You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years...

[ChuchoLoco]

LOL. I should have done the cliff notes version. Yeah, I agree you are protected from getting Covid from someone else. Do not worry about travel insurance, a booster, or anything Covid related and have a great time.

I will try like hell. Have succeeded so far. First time was in '73. Man was it different. Then. So much smaller and Parque Bolivar was the place to hangout especially at night. I just drive through in a taxi now just to see From Dusk till Dawn in person, hahahah. Thanks for the positive send off.

[JustTK]

There was this wonderful British TV comedy called the Simple Life.

The Good Life. And the real star of the show wasn't even in those 6 minutes!

[Osteoknot]

Null and Void. Frick and Frack. Klackkity Klack. Poetry. ISG at the same time becomes the most meaningless and important construct in my life. Go figure.

[Elvis 2008]

One common error I see (of the many) argued here about Covid is that people confuse population health with individual health, or probably even more, don't understand the difference or even know there is a difference.

I won't respond directly to anyone's post about this, there is not one person taking an overall cohesive overall stance on this topic. The only recent post that came close was RamsButt or whatever his name is, his insane sounding rant was actually closer to the truth than anyone has acknowledged, but I think he is basing that on intuition and not knowledge, which is okay.

You are all a pack of rabid Pit Bulls who jumped into a pool of jungle piranha, and you don't know what you don't know.

Carry on like I know you will. Geez.

I know most people do not click on links, but this post above is what I like to call a giraffe. There was this wonderful British TV comedy called the Simple Life, and if you watch here from the 8:08 mark to about the 14 minute mark, you will see what I mean by the term giraffe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RPLX9w2d5E.

Bonus points if you can pick out which of the three men is Osteo.

[Osteoknot]

The other topic that popped into my head after my previous post was, do you understand the demographics of the most effected population cohorts from Covid, and the implications that has on a vaccine program? Do you understand the contribution and burden of health care costs of those effected populations? Who is the largest single payer of health care services and durable medical equipment in the world?

[Elvis 2008]

Very detailed report, Thanks E but above my comprehension now at my age. My test was at the hospital and qtip in my nose but not brain. Nurse said it was new version. From what I do understand, I am supposedly pretty well protected now. My sister the Biochemist would love reading your report. Anyway, I'm on my way down soon and am hoping for the best. My amigos and amigos say all. Ls good at the moment, entonces voy a ver. Also had a video visit with my MD today and she says I'm good to go. Thanks again!

LOL. I should have done the cliff notes version. Yeah, I agree you are protected from getting Covid from someone else. Do not worry about travel insurance, a booster, or anything Covid related and have a great time.

[Osteoknot]

I cannot teach the unteachable, but I am willing to look at that as my inadequacy and not yours, so I will try and give you the basics on the background info you need to understand what is going on with Covid.

I am going to write this once, on the fly. I will not spend any extra time doing revisions, there will be errors of omission, and it will be far from purrfekt.

First off, to properly understand the issue, do you:

Have a basic understanding of population statistics, a bell curve, and standard deviations? Do you understand the important difference between a median and a mean (or average). Do you have the judgment to accurately identify and determine significant from insignificant variables?

Know the two basic immune systems of the human body, cellular and humoral, the main differences and which system has immune memory? Do you understand physiological cascades? Do you understand how vaccines work?

Off the top of your head can you name at least two of the most successful vaccines of all time? Which disease has been officially eradicated from earth solely due to vaccinations, and what other horrible disease is about to be wiped off the planet next due to vaccines? Do you even know the difference between and antigen and an antibody? What are the only two vaccines used to prevent STD's (Sexually Transmitted Diseases) and are they working? Can you describe the difference between a successful vaccine program and not?

Understand what makes a screening test valid, and acceptable margins of error on test results? Can you accurately apply the concepts of sensitivity, specificity, negative predictive value, and positive predictive value?

Have a basic working knowledge of pharmacodynamics, pharmacokinectics, and pharmacoeconomics? Do you understand the different classes and types of medical treatments that are being offered to treat Covid in addition to the vaccines?

Do you know what defines side effects? Do you understand the difference between outliers and sentinel events? Do you know what defines a successful vaccine program, for example, what are the threshold levels and how do you use attack rate to determine those thresholds?

Do you have a general understanding of how health care is delivered in the United States, for example, who depends on private insurance, Medicaid, Medicare or the military, or how the uninsured get their vaccines? Do you understand the difference between delivering and assessing individual and population health interventions and outcomes?

Do you understand the inherent flaws introduced by the testing techniques being used for Covid, the differences in the results of the different types of testing, and how this all introduces error in the data results, including error introduction inherent in the reporting process itself?

Do you recognize your own personal biases that you interject into your argument? Do you have any idea about what it is you don't know? Knowing what you don't know is one of the highest, if not the highest levels of intellectual functioning, right next to Synthesis. Knowledge, Comprehension, and Analysis are lower levels.

Do you have any real world, professional, or educational experience and training about vaccines and public health other than just what you "read about" on the Internet and elsewhere? Do you understand mutations and their effect on testing results, and more importantly, on clinical outcomes? Do you or should you care that Covid vaccines may need to be repeated indefinitely and why?

I am sure I left at least a few more topics out, but this should give you an idea of the complexity of the Covid issue.

I will give you a minute to chew on this before my closing post about this subject.

[RamDavidson84]

Lurk around here 24/7? Nope. Some days I check in several times, often I go days without checking in at all. It all depends on my schedule and current interest.

I'm employed, usually putting in 70 hours per week, although 80-85 hours isn't unusual. I know you were mostly directing at Paulie, but I probably lift more fingers, more often, to help people out than you do. Last year my cash donations came up to almost 25% of my income (and none of that went to a church or other non-profit group). Even here, on ISG, that's what I do, offer help. If someone has a question, if I can, I answer it. If I'm in Medellin and someone has a problem, I help them. I've even gotten out of bed, gotten dressed and went down to help clear up a situation with a friend in need, when I was sick. I've played wingman for dozens of guys, taken them around El Centro, the casas, to restaurants, to explore the metro system, even up to Parque Arvi and Comuna 13..

I rarely start the bullshit, this time I did because every time I hop on this forum, your posting away tearing into people. You going at Mr. E hard like a weirdo. You did the same to me a few weeks back. You pick out the smallest most insignificant things to criticize people about and its just weird bro. I never spit any false info. Look, the vaccines were not what they were promised to be. That's a simple fact. I am not anti vaccine, as I have stated so many times. I just don't think they should be mandatory and I think the vaccine shaming needs to stop, its not healthy for society. Is that so bad? And if you are still advocating lockdowns and travel restrictions at this point, I think your judgement is very clouded by your bias.

And if you donating 25% of your income after you pay your income and property tax, then you are an idiot LOL. 25% That's a little excessive man, unless you are making close to half a million a year, and if you are god bless you, but I highly fucking doubt that because it seems you spend way too much time on this forum. If I was making that dough, I certainly wouldn't be wasting a dozen posts a day on this forum like it seems you do.

I am no saint, and I would never claim to be. I do work a full time career helping people daily which required 6 years of education and other credentials as well. I pay my taxes and most of the time I am decent citizen and member of the community. I draw the line right there though, LOL I am definitely not donating 30-40 thousand a year to charity though lololol. Hell no! Love you guys so much, you make me so warm and fuzzy inside, especially T-king Osteo haha.