Stupid shit in Medellin

[Elvis 2008]

Do you take any precautionary measures or are you lucky or just have a strong immune system?

I avoided sick people and when talking to someone with Covid kept the conversations short. With all the talk of social distancing, hand washing, and lockdowns, what was missed was how the virus is actually spread. It was prolonged exposure to someone with Covid with alpha. With delta, the exposure was even shorter.

As of today, though, you can throw that out the window because of how contagious omicron is. I do not think I have had omicron but even if I get it, it is no big deal. With omicron, I would rather have the disease than the vaccine.

[Elvis 2008]

Forced quarantines of TB patients have been rightly upheld by the SCOTUS. Non compliant selfish morons are being removed from our armed forces, and that's a very good thing.

And that is apples to oranges. The treatment of TB is solid and it actually prevents the transmission of TB to others unlike the vaccine, but you are so dense you do not get that.

The vaccine does not prevent transmission any longer Paulie. Do you get that? In logic terms, you are making a false analogy.

[Elvis 2008]

Oh, the irony, part two. I'm going to assume this wasn't directed at me or anyone in particular. I have never told anyone not to get vaccinated. Just the opposite, actually. But stop and think what you said. "Irresponsible. " "Despicable. " But you have no problem mandating what someone must do to themselves. No problem taking away their jobs because they don't subscribe to the group think. THEY aren't afforded the "medical professional advice. " That's settled science, right? Telling people what they must do = not despicable? Ok, bro. Gotcha.

Dchrist, JJBee is like the pledge in Animal House getting his ass smacked by Fauci and the government and says, "Thank you sir can have I another?" and thinks everyone is stupid for not following his lead. He gets vaccinated, thinks he is invincible to Covid and then gets it, has a vascular event "no one could figure out" and after lecturing people endlessly on Covid does not even know the symptoms of the disease. Then he goes to Colombia and spreads it around. I have already told him to shut up about Covid because no one wants to hear from him about this anymore. It is like a fat person lecturing on how to lose weight.

And if that is not bad enough, he actually goes out and gets the third vaccine dose. My jaw dropped when I read that. After all that he have been through and he has both natural and vaccine induced immunity, he needs a booster that causes clots? OMG. The guy literally has no common sense.

As for debating the merits of the studies on Covid early on, they are irrelevant today. Omicron does not cause death though there will be reports of people dying with omicron. When you look at the numbers with omicron and serious cases in worldometer, you see about 1 out of every 1000 cases or so today is serious. France has 3 million cases of which 3,000 are serious. I get the feeling there is 5 to 10 X that number of people sick and delta has not totally gone away so I wonder how many of those 3,000 serious cases are delta and what the real ratio of sick to seriously ill there is. The UK has 3 million or so sick as well but <1000 critical cases.

As I said before, 100% vaccination is not going to do anything because Covid is in animals. The Chinese released a study suggesting omicron came from a mouse: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-...ouse-kind.html.

Given that omicron does not cause death and causes hospitalization so infrequently I cannot see any reason to advocate for the vaccine at this time. It is patently obvious that the vaccines do not prevent transmission, something members of one political party cannot get through their thick skulls, so why even bother with vaccinations at all then?

Thing is that you have the fear factor and Fauci. Moderna is already cooking up a vaccine for omicron and we will soon see if that fucker Fauci will be pushing it using the data from alpha and delta to do so. That sleazeball wants everyone on the damned planet vaccinated including newborns, and if Fauci says that a 4th vaccine is needed for Omicron, JJBee will be the first person in line to get it.

But the CDC has bucked Fauci on the 3rd vaccine and the notion of three vaccines means you are fully vaccinated, and I have been told ivermectin has sold out all over the country, so people are getting the message with regards to the vaccine limitations. On top of that, anyone watching sports these days knows the vaccine has done nothing to stop the spread of Covid. The CDC has been catching flak as it now wedged between what Fauci wants and a vocal set of people screaming at them about a worker shortage and other Covid related matters. I see people here mentioning 2 weeks of isolation versus 5 days and I wonder where they have been.

But if the CDC says a 3rd vaccine is needed to be fully vaccinated, I am not doing it, and I think the pushback on this will be enormous.

The Supreme Court striking down the vaccine mandate looks like a done deal now. The sad part about that is that only information from prior cases is allowed into a Supreme Court case so while there was discussion of the vaccine stopping transmission as it did with alpha, the justices know that they do not prevent the spread. Hell, one of the lawyers was triple vaxxed and could not show up because he had Covid.

So yeah, the virus is doing what viruses do: spreading easier but not killing the host. I said before I expect 60,000+ cases in Colombia down when it was around only 1,000 cases per day. It is over 30,000 now, and it will continue higher but do not let that fool you. No one will be that sick. From a health care standpoint, I repeat the pandemic is done even with the escalating number of cases.

[ChuchoLoco]

That is great, Paulie. As you know I have been travelling damned near every month and have not let Covid slow me down at all. I have actually enjoyed travelling to places like Mexico City during the pandemic because traffic was so much less. I have been exposed to hundreds of cases of Covid and have never tested + for the virus. I guess that is what you mean by being smart.

But you have not said one damned thing you have done. You have not said you have gone anywhere or done anything. As far as I know, you have been locked in a bunker. So what have you been doing personally besides being locked in a bunker with CNN and MSNBC on 24 hours a day?

Do you take any precautionary measures or are you lucky or just have a strong immune system?

P.S.: Fox News is also available in the bunkers.

[Paulie97]

And while I will usually favor freedom, I do think a society is entitled to setting norms to an extent. But I'll use your seatbelt example.

Which has nothing to do with the price of rice in China. Such laws offer protection against self harm, excepting examples of parental negligence. You nor anyone else has a right to spread disease. Nor was any such notion ever envisioned in the Constitution, thus you are just chasing your tail in a hooker forum.

Forced quarantines of TB patients have been rightly upheld by the SCOTUS. Non compliant selfish morons are being removed from our armed forces, and that's a very good thing.

[Elvis 2008]

Sounds good, as long as you don't leave out all the people who decided "not to live in fear" that wound up on their backs pleading with others not to make the same mistakes as them.

You also throw out the false dilemma fallacy. There are more choices besides living in fear and throwing caution to the wind. For example reasonable caution doesn't have to involve fear. It's just being smart.

That is great, Paulie. As you know I have been travelling damned near every month and have not let Covid slow me down at all. I have actually enjoyed travelling to places like Mexico City during the pandemic because traffic was so much less. I have been exposed to hundreds of cases of Covid and have never tested + for the virus. I guess that is what you mean by being smart.

But you have not said one damned thing you have done. You have not said you have gone anywhere or done anything. As far as I know, you have been locked in a bunker. So what have you been doing personally besides being locked in a bunker with CNN and MSNBC on 24 hours a day?

[Nounce]

Sounds good, as long as you don't leave out all the people who decided "not to live in fear" that wound up on their backs pleading with others not to make the same mistakes as them.
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Show me some examples of vaccinated people doing that. I think the anti-vax pepole will love to hear from you and have a field day with it. LOL.

You are assuming a lot of things and you think you know about human behavior. Did you know before there will be so many people not taking vaccine.

You also throw out the false dilemma fallacy. There are more choices besides living in fear and throwing caution to the wind. For example reasonable caution doesn't have to involve fear. It's just being smart.

Like wearing a mask having a drink in a packed bar? If the word fear is the only thing you don't agree, remove the word in my post.

[Ptrbrgr]

Perhaps I can shed some light on this.

Dcrist is referring to a video put out by a Canadian anti-vax group called the Canadian Covid Care Alliance. In the video, they compared the number of infected in the initial Pfizer trial, only over the first 7 days of the trial.

Thank you for this. I found the video, and managed to watch almost ten minutes of it before I threw in the towel. Oh dear. Well, to those who got so upset about the video: as they told Cheese Wagstaff in the Wire after the dog fight: "I think you have been played". I'll see if I can find a bit of time later today to type up a brief summary.

[Villainy]

Yes he can. JPeedo is the most dishonest, disrespectful, patronising, condescending, myopic, ignorant, yet self-satisfied contributor here. He is also obstinate. So I suggest you stop feeding the fish.

+1. And everybody sees it but him and his senile sidekick paulie.

One thing about JBee. Agree with him or not at least he researches his comments using reputable sources and doesn't just get his BS off of some conspiracy theory website or podcast.

BTW I think I recognize you two guys. Didn't they make a movie about you, starring Jeff Daniels and Jim Carey?

[JustTK]

+1. And everybody sees it but him and his senile sidekick paulie.

Right. His last name is Dunning Kruger. Classic example.

[JjBee62]

Hehe, yes. I am delighted to see the Colombian government's new vax card regulations are a complete failure. Let's hope they get reversed pronto. And it's not just Colombia. I noticed that Spain implemented an immigration policy a few months ago that requires arrivals from most countries to present a vax card. Yet they are now at an all time high of 100.000 cases per day. Many other countries too. Cases are at an all time high worldwide. Yet deaths are not. It's incredible that these governments can't see what is staring them in the face.

But that should not concern you. You do not need to show a negv test result to enter Colombia so you can enter without concern. Omicron is a pretty feeble virus so I don't see why you should worry about postponement. Just take out tarvel insurance if you are still cautious.

Your tendency to miss the point of every post you respond to continues. The concern isn't about getting into Colombia. If a person can't get into Colombia, the decision to postpone is out of their control.

There are 2 concerns for people traveling to Colombia at this time. One is not knowing if there are going to be shutdowns, curfews or a return of pico and cedula restrictions. The ministry of health previously stated those types of restrictions are based upon hospital available capacity, not on number of cases. Fortunately, Colombia has been diligent about getting people vaccinated, so hospitalization and death rates are much lower than when the strictest restrictions were enforced. Do a search and you might be able to find the reports on available hospital capacity. That will help you to decide whether or not it's a good time to visit.

The other concern is testing positive before the trip ends, forcing a quarantine which would extend the trip. If a 2 week extension of the trip would cause serious problems for you, it's probably not a good time to travel. The girls I regularly talk to are all telling me that a lot of people around them are getting sick. Fortunately, they are young, healthy and vaccinated, so none of them are suffering serious symptoms.

[Paulie97]

It's equivalent to over for some. It's based on a different thinking. It is possible if this continues for another 10 years. Many more will just move on to live normally.

Why a bar is packed with people without masks? I see plenty of them. I know some just decided they want to live normally and not live in fear. That is why you see some people change their tune in this thread, although they gave a different reason.e.

Sounds good, as long as you don't leave out all the people who decided "not to live in fear" that wound up on their backs pleading with others not to make the same mistakes as them.

You also throw out the false dilemma fallacy. There are more choices besides living in fear and throwing caution to the wind. For example reasonable caution doesn't have to involve fear. It's just being smart.

[Paulie97]

+1. And everybody sees it but him and his senile sidekick paulie.

You are a dimwit that has never been able to go toe to toe with me or anyone else outside the Faux News lobotomized crowd so don't talk to me about senility. Wink.

[MarquisdeSade1]

As for the deaths, the CDC mandated anyone who dies with Covid is a Covid death. So a person with Covid who dies in a car crash is a Covid death.

Everyone but St George.

[JohnnyWalker55]

Yes he can. JPeedo is the most dishonest, disrespectful, patronising, condescending, myopic, ignorant, yet self-satisfied contributor here. He is also obstinate. So I suggest you stop feeding the fish.

+1. And everybody sees it but him and his senile sidekick paulie.