Stupid shit in Medellin

[JjBee62]

You have a bunch of internet scientists here going back and forth and it's pretty hilarious / pathetic, the reality is the pandemic is over.

I just flew in on the 1st and a quarter of the plane had a nasty cough, probably covid. But wait everyone is vaxxed!

The only place that has asked for a vaccine card and is the casino, and then I took my mask off when I walked in.

I said but wait I'm boosted what gives? Doesn't matter still have to wear the mask they said.

The people in govt are stupid as shit, in every single coutnry, and they push mandates because follow the freaking money. The vaccines don't do shit to stop covid and people are literally in a trance after an endless propaganda campaign by the media.

And you have people here on the streets wearing masks outside in the scorching heat even though theyre vaxxed lmao why? Because they're quite literally brainwashed by the news and arent smart..

This is one of your funniest contributions. Good work!

It's funny because, when I came home yesterday afternoon, there was a Covid self test kit on the counter. I share a house with my brother (I'm gone for work a minimum of 5 days every week), so I was obviously curious about it.

When he returned home from work he informed me that half of his fellow employees are currently sick with Covid. Considering where I live, there's a good chance half of the employees at that business are unvaccinated. My brother shocked me a few weeks ago when he mentioned getting a booster. He was pretty resolved about not getting vaccinated 6 months ago. I didn't know he had changed his mind. Anyway, the owner asked everyone to take a test, so he can decide whether he can keep the doors open.

On to the punch line:

Apparently nobody told the pandemic it's over, because it certainly is acting like it's still going strong with 2.5 million new cases today, 4 times more new cases than when the pandemic wasn't "over."

Keep up the excellent analysis!

[Paulie97]

It's amazing how little most Americans listened in school, wasting opportunities. There's no big conspiracies going on here, "Big Tech, capitalist elites, Jewish bankers, govts, etc. " Plagues happen, and have since the beginning of recorded history. Sometimes they have effected the entire known world. Interesting we had the same nonsense conspiracy theories and various downplaying and denials going on back in the Middle Ages during the bubonic plagues. It's in the primary sources. Well it's your lucky day. You get to live through a historic pandemic, and it's far from the first.

As to the freedom horseshit. The Constitution offers no such thing in the matter spreading disease. For one thing no understanding of germ theory existed in the late 1700's. All ideas of how disease was spread then we're either very misguided or completely erroneous. Leeches anyone? Or to the barber shop for blood letting? Your rights are imaginations.

[Ptrbrgr]

Lastly, clearly the nuance of relative vs absolute is lost on you. That is unfortunate because that is the most alarming nugget from the entire presentation. Frankly, I thought they gave a thorough explanation. But why it matters? The RRR is essentially the marketing ploy. That's the big number that gets people so hopeful about "efficacy". Marketing: "Hey, take our jab and your 95% more likely to avoid COVID. ". But that just isn't true. That is a lie. ARR is the true measure of reduction. You calling ARR bullshit tells me you either don't understand it or don't want to understand it. If you see it as bullshit, you stand in opposition with the scientific community. It's not bullshit. It's simple math. And it is the gold standard.

You are making a valid point that the absolute risk reduction is the true measure of reduction. And I agree with you that the RRR is less informative than the ARR if you are a policy maker. However, the ARR is not a gold standard. It cannot be a gold standard, because it is constantly changing and depends on a gazillion of other factors.

A couple of months ago, some of the folks cheering you on here were up in arms about a paper that appeared in the Lancet about waning antibodies, resulting in a decrease of vaccine effectiveness. At the time, your buddies thought the decrease of effectiveness was the end of the world. What apparently goes completely over their heads is that effectiveness is a RRR. Which I tried to explain to them at the time:

"Effectiveness per se is not super helpful in policy decisions, since it is a relative risk (in the paper you cite, the calculations are based on hazard ratios). What you ideally want to have are absolute risks, which are much harder to come by because they depend on many things such as the time frame we are talking about, what variants we are looking at and how transmittable they are, your environment, the prevalence of the virus, etc. So the effectiveness doesn't tell you how likely or unlikely you are to get infected, it tells you how much less likely you are to get infected relative to some comparison group over the course of the study (and that can also get dicey, more on that below). You also need some sense of absolute risk to estimate the basic reproduction number R0, which is what you really want to know for public health recommendations (if R0 is less than 1, the virus is not finding enough hosts to infect, and the incidence goes down)."

So here is where I think you are off: when you start a clinical trial in infectious disease, you always go to a population where the incidence is super high. The higher the rate of viral exposure, the sooner your trial will end. In such a setting, if your vaccine is effective, the ARR is huge. In a population where the prevalence of the virus is low, the ARR is dismal. However, the RRR is the same in both settings. In real life the viral prevalence constantly changes (among other things), which means the ARR constantly changes.

The RRR is not a marketing ploy. It is the thing we can reliably estimate in a randomized clinical trial, comparing two groups. And calculating the ARR is the polar opposite of simple math, since it requires a bunch of parameters we usually don't know much if anything about.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Absolutely, viruses mutate all the time but let us be real. We are talking hypotheticals. You are not being realistic.

I thought they were trying to beef up the vaccine for omicron but if you watch the interview with Dr. Malone he says no the current vaccine does not target omicron.

And even if there was, I would not take it. Nobody has died from omicron so what is the point?

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/cov...05/id/1051218/

[Dcrist0527]

I'm also ultimately surprised by the "freedom" thumpers as if the Founding Fathers envisioned anything like a right to spread disease.

Perhaps you need to research what a "right" is. The left seems to have a real challenge with that. They tell us that health insurance (sold as health care, as if it's the same thing) is a right. So, yet another mandate.

The funny thing they never understand. They count on the government to solve all. But in reality, they never do. They only compound the problem. But like well trained puppies, they keep voting for the snake oil salesman. The COVID mandates are just the latest examples. They have failed. That is plain to see. But reality doesn't matter to them. So long as the "Dem" beats the "Rep". So foolish.

[Mr Enternational]

I'm also ultimately surprised by the "freedom" thumpers as if the Founding Fathers envisioned anything like a right to spread disease.

Didn't they see it as their right to spread disease to the natives; both intentionally and unintentionally? Seems like I vaguely remember something about blankets infected with smallpox being distributed. Or maybe that was different.

[Paulie97]

It actually surprises me that the anti-vaxxers are still here in any real numbers weaving out their BS from fake wingnut online media sources. It must take a basement existence somewhere in England or Sweden, or an equally meager life in the states.

I'm also ultimately surprised by the "freedom" thumpers as if the Founding Fathers envisioned anything like a right to spread disease. It's all as ludicrous as the Trump presidency.

But carry on. LOL.

[JjBee62]

Guys like JJBee should stop blaming the victims and stop defending criminals. They are doing the bros a disservice and potential great harms downplaying the huge security risks waiting for them by drugging and robbing hookers in Colombia.

I've never blamed a victim. Instead because I'm not a whiney little shit who can't manage to get successfully laid in one of the easiest places to get laid in the world, I recognize every one of us is responsible for our own safety and security. If I'm walking down the street staring at my brand new $1000 phone and someone snatches it and runs away, I made the theft easy and possible. If my phone had been in my pocket, or locked up safely in my room, I don't get robbed. If I don't leave my luggage laying open and leave a girl I don't know alone with it, I don't have the girl doing. Hmmm?

Well I'm not sure what the girl did. In your first post she moved 5 feet and was hovering over your luggage. In another post she was digging through your luggage and you caught her red handed. Those are 2 completely different things. Care to explain that? Either one of those claims is a straight up lie, or both of those things are straight up lies. Which?

I'm not downplaying the risk of being drugged and robbed. I'm saying that the situation you described was not an attempt to drug and rob you. It was a ridiculous exaggeration, which it appears you're rather well known for.

The drug most commonly used to drug and rob people in Colombia is Scopolamine. It's commonly prescribed as a transdermal patch for motion sickness. I assume it is also available in pill form. The most commonly reported delivery method when scopolamine is used to drug and rob people is by putting it in the victim's drink. It's why several people here, myself included have posted not to leave your drink unattended, not to let a girl get you a drink, and not to drink anything someone is trying to coerce you to drink.

Scopolamine is not given to people in spiked joints. Burning scopolamine would certainly change the effects. It would also look pretty strange if some girl was trying to get you to smoke something you don't want, when she refuses to smoke it, or breath any of the smoke.

And I know exactly where you were staying. I've walked by that little hotel hundreds of times. I lived for almost 10 months just a short walk south of there. Unless a girl can fly, there is absolutely no way she could get out of sight from the lobby door in 2 seconds. Usain Bolt couldn't do it. However, in 15-20 seconds she could be up the stairs and walking towards Hotel Porton. So once again your story has an obvious lie in it.

3 drugging and robbing incidents happened within a couple days to seasoned mongers. It's obvious hookers in Colombia are professional thieves, out to steal everything from mongers at every chance they have.

No. It's not obvious that hookers in Colombia are professional thieves. Every day thousands of mongers in Colombia have no problems with Colombian hookers. Although a few do fall in love with them which is a different and more expensive problem. What's obvious is that even seasoned mongers can become victims, if they lose track of what they are doing.

In my opinion, it's the seasoned mongers who are more likely to get drugged and robbed. They forget where they are and start thinking these girls are all their friends. Then they let down their guard with the wrong girl at the wrong time and wake up 14 hours later.

It would be a big problem if mongers have their phones, money, wallets, passports stolen. Without money and credit cards how are they going to get emergency passports? How will they explain to their wives, children, bosses, friends that they lost everything and got stuck in putas central Medellin? Worse yet, they may be dead by the putas' drugs.

Perhaps I'm a bit a prude, but if someone has a wife and children and they are spending their money to travel to another country to fuck hookers, then they've already demonstrated some poor decision making skills. Forget about the risk of bringing home some disease, or the moral issues. They're abandoning their responsibilities to their wife and children to get cheap pussy.

It would be a problem for anyone if they had everything stolen. It would be a problem in any country. That's why it's important not to be stupid. You don't put all of your eggs in one basket. You don't carry around your passport, except when you need it. You don't carry around your credit and debit cards, except the one you need to use, when you need to use it. You separate your valuables, so the likelihood of someone finding everything is low.

If you leave everything you need to get back home in one easily accessible pile, nobody needs to drug you. As soon as you turn your back, any girl can grab it and go.

I suggest the bros be very careful with their wallets and phones while on the streets and in the rooms with hookers.

I've got a better suggestion. Keep your wallets safely locked up. Nobody in Medellin is going to need to see your Social Security Card. There's nothing in your wallet you need on the streets of Medellin except for some cash, which can be carried in a pocket without leaving an obvious bulge for anyone to target. When you're in the room with a girl, you still don't need your wallet. You need a bit of cash and maybe a condom. No wallet required.

When you're on the street, keep your phone safely in a front pocket. If you need to use your phone to translate, buy a cheap phone and carry that instead.

If you're just a little bit smart about it, your risk of being robbed is very small and you can easily minimize your loss. However, I don't think that applies to you. You're clearly out of your element.

I've seen guys, who can't even order a beer in Spanish, hit the ground running and end up with more women than they could possibly handle after just a few hours. You have years of experience, had wingmen, speak at least some Spanish and you barely managed to get laid at all, and couldn't manage to even halfway salvage your trip.

Worse, in a country where beautiful, fit, affectionate, clean and easily attainable women can be found with less work than it takes to put on your shoes and carry out the garbage, you couldn't manage to find one. Then you go away claiming everyone in Colombia is a fat, misshapen, ugly, stinky, thief.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why you couldn't have success in Colombia. Looking at the Tijuana board you were apparently planning the trip for some time. You were aware of the options and the possibilities of Facebook, but instead, you didn't bother to use any of the resources which you were aware of. And now it's everyone else's fault.

You didn't even pick the right hotel, if you were in Medellin to monger. Nothing wrong with that hotel. I've always been interested in it (but when I already had a nice 3 bed apartment, I didn't need a hotel). However, at current rates, you were about a 6 k, 10-30 minute (depending on traffic) taxi ride away from Parque Lleras. Because of the area, I expect they might have issues with bringing girls there, when reception is open. There are better options either convenient to Lleras, El Centro or Laureles.

Medellin isn't for everyone. Parque Lleras isn't for everyone, neither is El Centro, La Isla, Facebook, or any other option. While I generally enjoy the food in Colombia, it's not universally loved. However, with a small amount of preparation, I believe anyone can find women who fit their desire in Medellin. I believe it because I've seen it many times. I've met mongers between the age of 30-75, mongers who have been everywhere and mongers on their first trip who managed it. I've met mongers who can barely walk 1 block and mongers that are fitness fanatics, and all of them managed to enjoy their time in Medellin. I've met mongers who are butt ugly and mongers who look like they stepped out of GQ and they managed to enjoy Medellin.

If you couldn't have a good time in Medellin, the problem isn't Medellin, the girls or anything else. The problem is you.

[Elvis 2008]

Is this the absolute truth in your opinion?

Absolutely, viruses mutate all the time but let us be real. We are talking hypotheticals. You are not being realistic.

It seems to me that this statement is assuming the vaccine development is static.

I thought they were trying to beef up the vaccine for omicron but if you watch the interview with Dr. Malone he says no the current vaccine does not target omicron.

And even if there was, I would not take it. Nobody has died from omicron so what is the point?

[MarquisdeSade1]

You have a bunch of internet scientists here going back and forth and it's pretty hilarious / pathetic, the reality is the pandemic is over.

I just flew in on the 1st and a quarter of the plane had a nasty cough, probably covid. But wait everyone is vaxxed!

The only place that has asked for a vaccine card and is the casino, and then I took my mask off when I walked in.

I said but wait I'm boosted what gives? Doesn't matter still have to wear the mask they said.

The people in govt are stupid as shit, in every single coutnry, and they push mandates because follow the freaking money. The vaccines don't do shit to stop covid and people are literally in a trance after an endless propaganda campaign by the media..

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/eri...05/id/1051222/

[JohnnyWalker55]

Would you agree that the statement you just made is insane and completely out of touch with what could realistically happen. You think it is even remotely realistic that everyone in the world could have been vaccinated by July 2021? Like cmon now, don't be creating unrealistic hypotheticals to try to prove a point. The reality is that if you are not getting vaccinated and live in a country where it's widely available you are not making a smart choice. But to mandate a vaccine to protect them from their own bad actions is authoritarianism. It would be one thing if they were still posing a threat to others, but it is very clear that it is getting passed between people regardless of vaccination status. So if people want to be dumb and not get the vaccine that is their own dumb choice. I am fully vaccinated and the pandemic IS over for me. I follow all the rules if they are in place, but if not then I just live normally. COVID is Endemic and so if you are not getting back to normal life after being vaccinated YOU are the one not following common sense.

You have a bunch of internet scientists here going back and forth and it's pretty hilarious / pathetic, the reality is the pandemic is over.

I just flew in on the 1st and a quarter of the plane had a nasty cough, probably covid. But wait everyone is vaxxed!

The only place that has asked for a vaccine card and is the casino, and then I took my mask off when I walked in.

I said but wait I'm boosted what gives? Doesn't matter still have to wear the mask they said.

The people in govt are stupid as shit, in every single coutnry, and they push mandates because follow the freaking money. The vaccines don't do shit to stop covid and people are literally in a trance after an endless propaganda campaign by the media.

And you have people here on the streets wearing masks outside in the scorching heat even though theyre vaxxed lmao why? Because they're quite literally brainwashed by the news and arent smart.

Simple as.

The pandemic is over, I don't wear a mask anywhere unless I'm told I have to or ill be kicked out. The pussy is great, Colombia is back baby.

Jw.

[PedroMorales]

Anyone can easily determine whether or not the vaccine poses a greater risk than Covid. It's something most people regularly do and use when making decisions.

In the US there have been 57 million cases of Covid and over 200 million people are fully vaccinated. Roughly, if you're from the US, you know about 4 times as many people who are vaccinated, than people who have had Covid.

Do you know anyone who has had a serious case of Covid? Do you know anyone who has died from Covid? How many of each?

Take those 2 numbers and multiply each by 4. How many people do you know who have had a serious illness caused by the vaccine? How many do you know who died from the vaccine?

It's that simple. You don't have to rely on anyone else to try to influence your opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONH-...%27sWarStories

Goddamit Bee you're a goddam genius. That is the most outstanding answer I have ever heard. You must have a goddam IQ of 160. You are goddam gifted, J Bee.

So many geniuses here. One was going well but used more similes than most could imagine. He'd fit right into any professorial job, explaining Covid like so:

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?

Thou art more lovely and more temperate.

Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May.

And summer's lease hath all too short a date.

O my Luve's like a red, red rose.

That's newly sprung in June;.

O my Luve's like the melodie.

That's sweetly play'the in tune.

[Nounce]

...the virus was still present in those people who were infected and could mutate in those people and then spread....

Is this the absolute truth in your opinion?

...Yeah, there was some benefit with the vaccine early on but now it literally does nothing...

It seems to me that this statement is assuming the vaccine development is static.

[Dcrist0527]

Consider the what if aspect. Or, if it makes it easier, consider a reasonably small island nation. If enough resources were diverted to that island to vaccinate everyone within 1 month and all travel to the island was very tightly controlled, would that island now be free of Covid?

I don't know the answer, but it is an interesting thing to consider. Would Covid, on that island become no worse than the common cold?

Obviously, the question can't be answered with any certainty. The issue would be how the bodies react to said vaccine. But I would say, vaccine alone? No, it would not be wiped out because we saw breakthrough cases, even before the more well known variants. More effective (and just as impractical) would be absolute isolation. If the virus runs its course and has no other host, that would be more effective. But impossible.

As for the common cold hypothesis, that is what is occurring with omicron, no? It's the natural order of things. Did vaccination help get us there? No. (You could actually make a case that the unvaccinated helped us get to that point. Though, obviously, there with significant side effects.) Did vaccines save lives? Yes. But lower virulence is common as viruses mutate.

[Captain Solo]

Guys like JJBee should stop blaming the victims and stop defending criminals. They are doing the bros a disservice and potential great harms downplaying the huge security risks waiting for them by drugging and robbing hookers in Colombia.

3 drugging and robbing incidents happened within a couple days to seasoned mongers. It's obvious hookers in Colombia are professional thieves, out to steal everything from mongers at every chance they have.

It would be a big problem if mongers have their phones, money, wallets, passports stolen. Without money and credit cards how are they going to get emergency passports? How will they explain to their wives, children, bosses, friends that they lost everything and got stuck in putas central Medellin? Worse yet, they may be dead by the putas' drugs.

I suggest the bros be very careful with their wallets and phones while on the streets and in the rooms with hookers.