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01-08-22 02:59 #2845
Posts: 387Originally Posted by JjBee62 [View Original Post]
As for the blankets with small pox, I don't think that was something that occurred with any time of frequency. I think it was more of an isolated event which you can't really use to define the morals and values of the general population during this time period. It was a brutal era with many instances of horrific acts of violence where both colonists and Indians many times had the blood of innocents on their hands.
I am almost certain Washington would have made vaccines mandatory, he purposely infected his entire army with smallpox, or the flu, during the winter at Valley forge. It killed a small percentage of his men, but going forward they were immune to what ever sickness was ravaging the population at that time period.
My opinion, I may be wrong as I aways think, you must live through the time period and experience it first hand to really understand what happened.
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01-07-22 21:20 #2844
Posts: 5462Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
1. Them durn founding fathers didn't see the indigenous people as their equals. They wouldn't have considered you as their equal either. Did you forget about that 3/5 thing and the slavery stuff? I'm not justifying their beliefs, merely pointing out that morality is determined by belief.
2. From the early settlers up to the early 20th century, the white men were at war with the natives. Once again I'm not justifying the actions, but morality standards in warfare are not indicative of the general public standards.
Unfortunately, if you want to decide how early US leaders would have reacted to any situation, you first have to limit the discussion to white men of European descent. Considering they used conscription among other things, suggests vaccine mandates would not have been universally rejected.
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01-07-22 19:36 #2843
Posts: 5462Originally Posted by Ptrbrgr [View Original Post]
Dcrist is referring to a video put out by a Canadian anti-vax group called the Canadian Covid Care Alliance. In the video, they compared the number of infected in the initial Pfizer trial, only over the first 7 days of the trial.
I've already pointed out the anti-vax group cherry picked from the Pfizer study to support their agenda. This is a fine example. Pfizer reported their initial tests suggested a 95% protection from Covid. After the 2 month study the RRR had dropped to 91%. However, the absolute risk of contracting Covid was much higher (170 cases in the first 7 days, 927 cases in the first 2 months) within Pfizer's study. After 7 days only 0. 88% of the trial participants had contracted Covid. After 2 months 2.5% had contracted Covid.
That alone increases ARR from 0. 84% to 2. 3%. However, when you're cherry picking data, you don't want to point out things like that. It gets worse (if you're on the cherry picking team). Overall it appears that absolute risk of infection is close to 20%, and the number continues to rise. That brings ARR up to perhaps 10%. I haven't tried to find numbers on vaccinated vs unvaccinated strictly on reported cases.
Looking deeper, something the anti-vax folks refuse to do, is even more revealing. Hospitalization rates for Covid cases show a much higher risk reduction for the vaccine. Getting infected with Covid isn't bad. Getting really sick or dying from Covid is bad. So a 1%, 2%, or 10% ARR from being infected with Covid isn't an important number. Even 99.9% ARR would be worthless if Covid was always just a minor illness.
It's a shame Covid refuses to cooperate. While an individual's risk of getting Covid might be 20% or less (without vaccines or any precautions), if you get Covid there's about a 20% chance you'll end up in the hospital, unvaccinated. Vaccinated that number drops to around 3%. And unless you have 4 or more risk factors, fully vaccinated people with Covid die less than 0. 4% of the time. Compare that to about 2% death rate among unvaccinated.
Unfortunately, nobody knows how Covid will affect them, until they get it. You might be young, healthy, in shape with a top notch immune system and end up barely able to breathe. You might be an overweight alcoholic with liver disease and high blood pressure and only have a minor illness (yes, I know that person).
Telling people they shouldn't get vaccinated, for any reason, unless you're a medical professional who is advising an individual patient based upon their specific risk (to Covid or the vaccine), is at best irresponsible. At worst, it's despicable.
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01-07-22 18:21 #2842
Posts: 5462Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
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01-07-22 18:17 #2841
Posts: 5462Originally Posted by JohnnyWalker55 [View Original Post]
It's funny because, when I came home yesterday afternoon, there was a Covid self test kit on the counter. I share a house with my brother (I'm gone for work a minimum of 5 days every week), so I was obviously curious about it.
When he returned home from work he informed me that half of his fellow employees are currently sick with Covid. Considering where I live, there's a good chance half of the employees at that business are unvaccinated. My brother shocked me a few weeks ago when he mentioned getting a booster. He was pretty resolved about not getting vaccinated 6 months ago. I didn't know he had changed his mind. Anyway, the owner asked everyone to take a test, so he can decide whether he can keep the doors open.
On to the punch line:
Apparently nobody told the pandemic it's over, because it certainly is acting like it's still going strong with 2.5 million new cases today, 4 times more new cases than when the pandemic wasn't "over."
Keep up the excellent analysis!
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01-07-22 18:10 #2840
Posts: 1680I'll add
It's amazing how little most Americans listened in school, wasting opportunities. There's no big conspiracies going on here, "Big Tech, capitalist elites, Jewish bankers, govts, etc. " Plagues happen, and have since the beginning of recorded history. Sometimes they have effected the entire known world. Interesting we had the same nonsense conspiracy theories and various downplaying and denials going on back in the Middle Ages during the bubonic plagues. It's in the primary sources. Well it's your lucky day. You get to live through a historic pandemic, and it's far from the first.
As to the freedom horseshit. The Constitution offers no such thing in the matter spreading disease. For one thing no understanding of germ theory existed in the late 1700's. All ideas of how disease was spread then we're either very misguided or completely erroneous. Leeches anyone? Or to the barber shop for blood letting? Your rights are imaginations.
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01-07-22 04:44 #2839
Posts: 14Originally Posted by Dcrist0527 [View Original Post]
A couple of months ago, some of the folks cheering you on here were up in arms about a paper that appeared in the Lancet about waning antibodies, resulting in a decrease of vaccine effectiveness. At the time, your buddies thought the decrease of effectiveness was the end of the world. What apparently goes completely over their heads is that effectiveness is a RRR. Which I tried to explain to them at the time:
"Effectiveness per se is not super helpful in policy decisions, since it is a relative risk (in the paper you cite, the calculations are based on hazard ratios). What you ideally want to have are absolute risks, which are much harder to come by because they depend on many things such as the time frame we are talking about, what variants we are looking at and how transmittable they are, your environment, the prevalence of the virus, etc. So the effectiveness doesn't tell you how likely or unlikely you are to get infected, it tells you how much less likely you are to get infected relative to some comparison group over the course of the study (and that can also get dicey, more on that below). You also need some sense of absolute risk to estimate the basic reproduction number R0, which is what you really want to know for public health recommendations (if R0 is less than 1, the virus is not finding enough hosts to infect, and the incidence goes down)."
So here is where I think you are off: when you start a clinical trial in infectious disease, you always go to a population where the incidence is super high. The higher the rate of viral exposure, the sooner your trial will end. In such a setting, if your vaccine is effective, the ARR is huge. In a population where the prevalence of the virus is low, the ARR is dismal. However, the RRR is the same in both settings. In real life the viral prevalence constantly changes (among other things), which means the ARR constantly changes.
The RRR is not a marketing ploy. It is the thing we can reliably estimate in a randomized clinical trial, comparing two groups. And calculating the ARR is the polar opposite of simple math, since it requires a bunch of parameters we usually don't know much if anything about.
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01-07-22 03:53 #2838
Posts: 2579No way
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
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01-07-22 03:29 #2837
Posts: 1283Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
The funny thing they never understand. They count on the government to solve all. But in reality, they never do. They only compound the problem. But like well trained puppies, they keep voting for the snake oil salesman. The COVID mandates are just the latest examples. They have failed. That is plain to see. But reality doesn't matter to them. So long as the "Dem" beats the "Rep". So foolish.
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01-07-22 01:57 #2836
Posts: 15918Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
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01-06-22 22:39 #2835
Posts: 1680Well
It actually surprises me that the anti-vaxxers are still here in any real numbers weaving out their BS from fake wingnut online media sources. It must take a basement existence somewhere in England or Sweden, or an equally meager life in the states.
I'm also ultimately surprised by the "freedom" thumpers as if the Founding Fathers envisioned anything like a right to spread disease. It's all as ludicrous as the Trump presidency.
But carry on. LOL.
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01-06-22 08:21 #2834
Posts: 5462Originally Posted by CaptainSolo [View Original Post]
Well I'm not sure what the girl did. In your first post she moved 5 feet and was hovering over your luggage. In another post she was digging through your luggage and you caught her red handed. Those are 2 completely different things. Care to explain that? Either one of those claims is a straight up lie, or both of those things are straight up lies. Which?
I'm not downplaying the risk of being drugged and robbed. I'm saying that the situation you described was not an attempt to drug and rob you. It was a ridiculous exaggeration, which it appears you're rather well known for.
The drug most commonly used to drug and rob people in Colombia is Scopolamine. It's commonly prescribed as a transdermal patch for motion sickness. I assume it is also available in pill form. The most commonly reported delivery method when scopolamine is used to drug and rob people is by putting it in the victim's drink. It's why several people here, myself included have posted not to leave your drink unattended, not to let a girl get you a drink, and not to drink anything someone is trying to coerce you to drink.
Scopolamine is not given to people in spiked joints. Burning scopolamine would certainly change the effects. It would also look pretty strange if some girl was trying to get you to smoke something you don't want, when she refuses to smoke it, or breath any of the smoke.
And I know exactly where you were staying. I've walked by that little hotel hundreds of times. I lived for almost 10 months just a short walk south of there. Unless a girl can fly, there is absolutely no way she could get out of sight from the lobby door in 2 seconds. Usain Bolt couldn't do it. However, in 15-20 seconds she could be up the stairs and walking towards Hotel Porton. So once again your story has an obvious lie in it.
3 drugging and robbing incidents happened within a couple days to seasoned mongers. It's obvious hookers in Colombia are professional thieves, out to steal everything from mongers at every chance they have.
In my opinion, it's the seasoned mongers who are more likely to get drugged and robbed. They forget where they are and start thinking these girls are all their friends. Then they let down their guard with the wrong girl at the wrong time and wake up 14 hours later.
It would be a big problem if mongers have their phones, money, wallets, passports stolen. Without money and credit cards how are they going to get emergency passports? How will they explain to their wives, children, bosses, friends that they lost everything and got stuck in putas central Medellin? Worse yet, they may be dead by the putas' drugs.
It would be a problem for anyone if they had everything stolen. It would be a problem in any country. That's why it's important not to be stupid. You don't put all of your eggs in one basket. You don't carry around your passport, except when you need it. You don't carry around your credit and debit cards, except the one you need to use, when you need to use it. You separate your valuables, so the likelihood of someone finding everything is low.
If you leave everything you need to get back home in one easily accessible pile, nobody needs to drug you. As soon as you turn your back, any girl can grab it and go.
I suggest the bros be very careful with their wallets and phones while on the streets and in the rooms with hookers.
When you're on the street, keep your phone safely in a front pocket. If you need to use your phone to translate, buy a cheap phone and carry that instead.
If you're just a little bit smart about it, your risk of being robbed is very small and you can easily minimize your loss. However, I don't think that applies to you. You're clearly out of your element.
I've seen guys, who can't even order a beer in Spanish, hit the ground running and end up with more women than they could possibly handle after just a few hours. You have years of experience, had wingmen, speak at least some Spanish and you barely managed to get laid at all, and couldn't manage to even halfway salvage your trip.
Worse, in a country where beautiful, fit, affectionate, clean and easily attainable women can be found with less work than it takes to put on your shoes and carry out the garbage, you couldn't manage to find one. Then you go away claiming everyone in Colombia is a fat, misshapen, ugly, stinky, thief.
For the life of me, I can't figure out why you couldn't have success in Colombia. Looking at the Tijuana board you were apparently planning the trip for some time. You were aware of the options and the possibilities of Facebook, but instead, you didn't bother to use any of the resources which you were aware of. And now it's everyone else's fault.
You didn't even pick the right hotel, if you were in Medellin to monger. Nothing wrong with that hotel. I've always been interested in it (but when I already had a nice 3 bed apartment, I didn't need a hotel). However, at current rates, you were about a 6 k, 10-30 minute (depending on traffic) taxi ride away from Parque Lleras. Because of the area, I expect they might have issues with bringing girls there, when reception is open. There are better options either convenient to Lleras, El Centro or Laureles.
Medellin isn't for everyone. Parque Lleras isn't for everyone, neither is El Centro, La Isla, Facebook, or any other option. While I generally enjoy the food in Colombia, it's not universally loved. However, with a small amount of preparation, I believe anyone can find women who fit their desire in Medellin. I believe it because I've seen it many times. I've met mongers between the age of 30-75, mongers who have been everywhere and mongers on their first trip who managed it. I've met mongers who can barely walk 1 block and mongers that are fitness fanatics, and all of them managed to enjoy their time in Medellin. I've met mongers who are butt ugly and mongers who look like they stepped out of GQ and they managed to enjoy Medellin.
If you couldn't have a good time in Medellin, the problem isn't Medellin, the girls or anything else. The problem is you.
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01-06-22 05:01 #2833
Posts: 3223Originally Posted by Nounce [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Nounce [View Original Post]
And even if there was, I would not take it. Nobody has died from omicron so what is the point?
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01-06-22 04:34 #2832
Posts: 2579You don't say
Originally Posted by JohnnyWalker55 [View Original Post]
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01-05-22 23:53 #2831
Posts: 223This should end any covid discussion
Originally Posted by Jake2738 [View Original Post]
I just flew in on the 1st and a quarter of the plane had a nasty cough, probably covid. But wait everyone is vaxxed!
The only place that has asked for a vaccine card and is the casino, and then I took my mask off when I walked in.
I said but wait I'm boosted what gives? Doesn't matter still have to wear the mask they said.
The people in govt are stupid as shit, in every single coutnry, and they push mandates because follow the freaking money. The vaccines don't do shit to stop covid and people are literally in a trance after an endless propaganda campaign by the media.
And you have people here on the streets wearing masks outside in the scorching heat even though theyre vaxxed lmao why? Because they're quite literally brainwashed by the news and arent smart.
Simple as.
The pandemic is over, I don't wear a mask anywhere unless I'm told I have to or ill be kicked out. The pussy is great, Colombia is back baby.
Jw.