Stupid shit in Medellin

[Huacho]

The vaccine has horrible side effects

Evidence? I make it a point to talk to all vaccinated people about their experiences and as I said previously, hundreds and hundreds of people I've talked to and none report 'horrible side effects.' So again I postulate that many anti-vaxxers are just plain pussies who are scared of needles.

[Huacho]

Huacho do you eat beef, chicken, fish, pork, cheese, milk? Then I think you are a selfish arsehole. Firstly, bcos you do not care about the lives of those unfortunate creatures (the very definition of selfishness), and secondly bcos by eating those animal products, you put yourself and others at greater risk of infection. That IS scientifically proven. So Huacho, tell me honestly, who is the arsehole now?

First of all, I have been vegan for over twenty years. It doesn't protect you from viruses. Second of all, you exhibit all symptoms of those proposing failing arguments, most notably introducing arguments about veganism to support your stance on COVID, which, again also being vegan, I can assure you is absolutely unrelated.

[PVMonger]

"Short"? Seriously dude I've read novels that weren't much longer.

"no one is saying that vaccines are useless."

Apparently you only read selectively. Elvis, JustTK, Shoo (t the) Bree (ze) and others are saying exactly that and without even a modicum of serious evidence to support their views.

"or there is some global conspiracy like you are trying to insinuate."

Again the same gabble of conspiracy theorists have been saying exactly that. I'm just not sure right now if their consensus is that it is a political conspiracy, or a Big Pharma conspiracy or Medical Establishment getting paid-off conspiracy.

"I just feel people are educated enough to make decisions regarding their own health."

If the health decision was about whether to get a minor operation (or even a major one) absolutely people should have the right to make that decision for themselves. but when the decision affects the health of many others should Government not step in and make decisions based on best information to protect the citizenry as a whole?..

Amen brother. Amen. The anti-vaxxers are too brain-dead to understand.

They are also the first people who would beat a shirtless / shoeless person to death for disrespecting a "No shirt. No shoes. No service. " sign but somehow don't see the parallel to disrespecting a "Masks required for entry" sign.

[Elvis 2008]

P.S. As to your freedoms, "no shirt no shoes no service," so now it's wear as mask as requested. Respect the rights of business owners to do business with whom they please. As to the government, forced quarantines of the TB infected were upheld by the SCOTUS. Nations can protect themselves from inconsiderate people until the pandemic ends. The whiners are way outnumbered, so best bet is the accept the circumstances and ride this out with the rest of us.
Dropping the mike. It's vacation time..

TB is very contagious and kills millions per year. The Covid vaccine does not prevent transmission.

I do not think anyone here has said that the vaccine does not prevent hospitalization and death. What has been said is more vaccination is not going to lead to an end to the pandemic and that forcing people to get the vaccine, when it does not prevent transmission, is barbaric. All you keep saying is the vaccine has no risk and is all benefit. That is complete nonsense. The vaccine has horrible side effects and given that there is a risk and benefit, it should be up to the individual not you Democrats to decide if people want it or not.

I had looked at this from the wrong angle using logic. This is the usual BS I get from the NY Times, "In Republican-leaning communities, the biggest Covid problem remains a widespread refusal to take the pandemic seriously. About 40 percent of Republican adults have not received a vaccine shot, according to the most recent Kaiser Family Foundation poll. As a result, the Covid death rate is far higher in heavily Republican counties than in Democratic ones."

I was like "what is the point?" Fauci said we would get to herd immunity if we were 70% vaccinated and then 85%. We now know from Gibraltar and Ireland that even if you go to 90+% that is not true. There is no herd immunity and therefore no end to the pandemic. We can run around scared or accept that we have to live with it.

But that is not what the Democrats have been saying the whole time. Guys like Paulie, Villany, PVMonger and all the Democrats have been saying nonstop that if we just listened to the "scientists" everything would be fine. Well, the vaccines being 95% effective was pure bull, and herd immunity is too. The "scientists" record is abysmal, and the question now is are they serving us or themselves.

The Democrats ran on the pandemic. Biden said that no president should be in power with the number of people who died with Covid under Trump. At the time, that number was 220,000. By Biden's own definition, he is a failure.

So the point of this is not a debate about the vaccine. That is a red herring. It is the Democrats complete failure on the pandemic. Instead of owning that they were wrong, they are pointing their fingers at Republicans and saying "Everything would be fine if not for you guys. " I was wrong to mentally challenge them. I should have been laughing and said "Really? That is the best you got? The worldwide pandemic continuing on is the fault of Republicans?

We should not take these guys seriously at all. They know they are wrong and just hoping to distract enough people from the truth. With the pandemic, the Democratic leadership has done nothing to prove they have been better when Trump was president. Absolutely nothing.

[RamDavidson84]

Thank you for your permission.

I am being trolled by a dude who likes to sexually gratify himself with human feces so much that he actually created an online alias about it. Right now I am questioning all my life choices as to how I ended up in a forum being criticized by this fucking dude. A guy who wants to use people's shit to get himself off and lord only knows do what else with people's shit hahahaha. This guy has no fucking shame either, dude straight up makes his forum name Scatman hahahahahaha. That's some funny fucking shit, pun intended LOL. I am taking a picture of this post and sending it out to my friends in a group chat, hahaha thank you for existing Scatman.

[RamDavidson84]

Regarding cold weather Covid surges, data trumps such and YouTube conspiracy theorists every time. Don't be a sucker. Here's an interesting comparison of Euro countries. First we have Russia, the Ukraine, and Romania where ant-vaccine propaganda has been prevalent. Vaccination rates are low, 43,27, and 39 percent respectively. All three countries have had recent spikes in cases with high body counts to match. Then there's Germany and Ireland, both with high vaccination rates but drastically lower case to death ratios than they experienced in earlier spikes prior to vaccine distribution. I'll even add France for good measure as it demonstrates the same point.

Add to all of this the fact that in the range of 75 to 80 percent of Covid hospital deaths in the US involve the unvaccinated, and that many deaths of the vaccinated recently have been of those who were long beyond their second shot, and that's about all a reasonable person needs to conclude that vaccines are worthwhile and useful. Not to mention that they are recommended by virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet.

I would be much more interested in seeing the actual anti-vaccination propaganda statistics / campaigns in Russia, Romania and Ukraine.

[RamDavidson84]

"Short"? Seriously dude I've read novels that weren't much longer.

"no one is saying that vaccines are useless."

Apparently you only read selectively. Elvis, JustTK, Shoo (t the) Bree (ze) and others are saying exactly that and without even a modicum of serious evidence to support their views.

"or there is some global conspiracy like you are trying to insinuate."

Again the same gabble of conspiracy theorists have been saying exactly that. I'm just not sure right now if their consensus is that it is a political conspiracy, or a Big Pharma conspiracy or Medical Establishment getting paid-off conspiracy.

"I just feel people are educated enough to make decisions regarding their own health."

If the health decision was about whether to get a minor operation (or even a major one) absolutely people should have the right to make that decision for themselves. but when the decision affects the health of many others should Government not step in and make decisions based on best information to protect the citizenry as a whole?

"especially with such an unproven vaccine".

Either you are listening to the masters of make-believe analysis (here in this section) or you haven't been reading anything by the real scientists. No credible source thinks the vaccine is "unproven". Sure there are questions about the length of effectiveness and about whether it remains highly effective against some of the new variants. But "unproven." Sorry that isn't a rational position anymore.

"I also don't agree with the lockdowns at this point as the vaccine has not done what it was supposed to".

Are you saying that since the vaccine isn't a miracle cure (yet) Governments taking the very unpopular stance of initiating lock-downs is unreasonable? Apparently you think you are either smarter or better informed that politicians in many countries who are receiving the best advice the science community has to offer. What exactly did you think the vaccine was supposed to do, by the way? It seems to dramatically reduce the likelihood that you will contract the CoVid virus in the first place and if you do it is extremely unlikely you will need to be hospitalized or will die from it. I don't know about your expectations but for a first pass (I expect the pharmaceuticlal companies are going to extremes to improve the vaccine and make it effect for longer and against viral mutations) but I think the vaccine is pretty damn good.

"most people with basic common sense."

Most people with basic common sense are taking the vaccine. If you aren't among them, common sense may not be your forte.

"God bless America! Haha jk."

Dear God, you wrote this big ol' article and it wasn't until the very end that you said something that almost all of us agree with. Except for a few of the Euro-fanatics.

You have made completely false assumptions to my entire post and point of view regarding this topic. It makes you look a little delusional how you came to the conclusions that you did from "my posts". I think your reading what other people wrote and attributing their views as mine, which they aren't.

I am very confused as to how the posts of other members had anything to do with my post and my opinion on the essay by Paul Kingsnorth. I have stated before that I am fully vaccinated and I think its the smart thing to do and I just can't understand how from my post you came to the conclusion that I think vaccines are useless or you would associate my post with people who posted vaccines are useless. Again it seems like your a borderline troll with that statement. The covid vaccine is priceless and has saved millions of lives. That being said, I still don't think it should be mandatory outside of Public Employment and you can read my earlier posts if you want more of my opinion on it.

Again, I am extremely confused how you are trying to pick my post apart and make it look like I support some diabolical global covid conspiracy theory when I clearly stated the opposite in my post. I do think there is a strong economic correlation between Pharma companies, tech industry, liberal politics, and their stance regarding the covid vaccine. That doesn't mean I believe there is a group of evil scientists trying to take over the world with a vaccine that is going to brainwash us. Again, relax bro.

Yes. The vaccine is unproven! This is a new technology and we have never approved a vaccine anywhere near this fast. It will be years before we truly know how effective it was and also very importantly if there are any long term side effects from the vaccine. It could be a decade or more before we know all this information, so therefore the vaccine is unproven. Yes it is most likely very safe, and it probably greatly reduces your chance at being infected with serious disease from covid. But it is still unproven and because of that fact, I think people should be able to decide for themselves what to do with their health.

I am absolutely saying that Governments are totally unreasonable at this point to lockdown. No I don't think I am smarter or more informed that anyone else, but I have the right to an opinion and the right to express it, so I will based off my life experiences. The vaccine was suppose to achieve heard immunity and reduce the chance of serious infection by 95%. It did nether. The vaccine did not achieve heard immunity and I believe at this point, even if we vaccinated 100% of the population, due to the false effectiveness of the vaccine and viral mutation, we would still have significant community spread from covid. How did professional virologists not anticipate the virus would mutate and render the vaccines not as effective? The "experts" should have taken that into consideration and educated the public on it at the start of the pandemic for us to make the best possible decision as to what we will do with "our" lives and societies. I believe lockdowns absolutely do more damage to society that the actual virus. In a lockdown; Crime, Suicide, Mental Illness, Lack of Education and Socialization for Children will all plague society far worse than the actual virus, and that is a best case scenario. Worst case scenario is a violent uprising of a large percentage of society who have been economically and socially destroyed from a total lockdown. Are you saying you think we should return to total lockdowns? I strongly disagree with you if that is your stance.

My friend, it seems you are the one who lacks "common sense". Read my earlier posts, I have stated so many times I think people should take the vaccine and I am fully vaccinated. Your reading comprehension skills are horrible because some how you came to the conclusion that I am telling people not to take the vaccine. When did I or the article by Kingsworth ever state such non-sense? Seriously how did you come up with that garbage and associate it with me? Like I said earlier, you seem kinda delusional bro. You are putting so many false words in my mouth to try and argue a point I never agreed with just to start an argument. Again I was arguing that "PRIVATE CITIZENS OUTSIDE PUBLIC SERVICE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE FOR THEMSELVES IF THEY WANT TO TAKE THE VACCINE". I never said people should not take the vaccine bro.

All that being said, I understand your reasoning for mandatory vaccines. I get it, there is a possibility that by not getting the vaccine you could spread the virus which could potentially infect and kill an innocent person. That is an incredibly noble and valid argument to make. I would never vilify an individual for advocating such a policy.

This is a poor argument to make on my part, but this is some of my reasoning for why I don't think the vaccine should be mandatory. Pandemics are forces of nature, its like trying to stop a hurricane, you can't, all you can do at some point is take the best measures possible and pray for the best. I think if we made all vaccines mandatory, the loss of freedom would not justify the security it is trying to promise. I think many people would still get infected and die because the vaccines are not as effective as they were promised. The loss of personal freedom would erode society to the point that it would do more damage than the few lives spared from mandatory vaccinations. And again it is a horrible thing to say, but these spared lives would be the lives of people who are going to pass away relatively soon anyway. I believe when your run is over, taking one for the team is a noble deed. I have no problem dying for the freedom which has contributed so much to western civilization and societies all around the world. And just look at any genocide from history if you don't think freedom is worth fighting / dying for.

Villainy, sorry if I sound like a jerk, appreciate you didn't resort to name calling and once again God Bless America haha.

[Paulie97]

Regarding cold weather Covid surges, data trumps such and YouTube conspiracy theorists every time. Don't be a sucker. Here's an interesting comparison of Euro countries. First we have Russia, the Ukraine, and Romania where ant-vaccine propaganda has been prevalent. Vaccination rates are low, 43,27, and 39 percent respectively. All three countries have had recent spikes in cases with high body counts to match. Then there's Germany and Ireland, both with high vaccination rates but drastically lower case to death ratios than they experienced in earlier spikes prior to vaccine distribution. I'll even add France for good measure as it demonstrates the same point.

Add to all of this the fact that in the range of 75 to 80 percent of Covid hospital deaths in the US involve the unvaccinated, and that many deaths of the vaccinated recently have been of those who were long beyond their second shot, and that's about all a reasonable person needs to conclude that vaccines are worthwhile and useful. Not to mention that they are recommended by virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/russia/

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...untry/ukraine/

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...untry/romania/

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...untry/ireland/

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/france/

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...untry/germany/

P.S. As to your freedoms, "no shirt no shoes no service," so now it's wear as mask as requested. Respect the rights of business owners to do business with whom they please. As to the government, forced quarantines of the TB infected were upheld by the SCOTUS. Nations can protect themselves from inconsiderate people until the pandemic ends. The whiners are way outnumbered, so best bet is the accept the circumstances and ride this out with the rest of us.

Dropping the mike. It's vacation time. .

[Villainy]

................. There's no need to insult someone and laugh at them because they found a shortreading interesting.........

As for the reading, it stated a lot of things I think many have been feeling, but the media doesn't cover and it was refreshing to read. Obviously there is still a pandemic raging which has killed millions and no one is saying that vaccines are useless or there is some global conspiracy like you are trying to insinuate. ................. The reactions of people like you are exactly why someone like me appreciates an author like Paul Kingsnorth. As I have stated before, I just feel people are educated enough to make decisions regarding their own health, especially with such an unproven vaccine. I also don't agree with the lockdowns at this point as the vaccine has not done what it was supposed to. If you want to make me out to be an idiot or an evil anti-vaxer, that's your right, but don't expect me or most people with basic common sense to have any respect for your intelligence and maybe even morality.

God bless America! Haha jk.

"Short"? Seriously dude I've read novels that weren't much longer.

"no one is saying that vaccines are useless."

Apparently you only read selectively. Elvis, JustTK, Shoo (t the) Bree (ze) and others are saying exactly that and without even a modicum of serious evidence to support their views.

"or there is some global conspiracy like you are trying to insinuate."

Again the same gabble of conspiracy theorists have been saying exactly that. I'm just not sure right now if their consensus is that it is a political conspiracy, or a Big Pharma conspiracy or Medical Establishment getting paid-off conspiracy.

"I just feel people are educated enough to make decisions regarding their own health."

If the health decision was about whether to get a minor operation (or even a major one) absolutely people should have the right to make that decision for themselves. but when the decision affects the health of many others should Government not step in and make decisions based on best information to protect the citizenry as a whole?

"especially with such an unproven vaccine".

Either you are listening to the masters of make-believe analysis (here in this section) or you haven't been reading anything by the real scientists. No credible source thinks the vaccine is "unproven". Sure there are questions about the length of effectiveness and about whether it remains highly effective against some of the new variants. But "unproven" . Sorry that isn't a rational position anymore.

"I also don't agree with the lockdowns at this point as the vaccine has not done what it was supposed to".

Are you saying that since the vaccine isn't a miracle cure (yet) Governments taking the very unpopular stance of initiating lock-downs is unreasonable? Apparently you think you are either smarter or better informed that politicians in many countries who are receiving the best advice the science community has to offer. What exactly did you think the vaccine was supposed to do, by the way? It seems to dramatically reduce the likelihood that you will contract the CoVid virus in the first place and if you do it is extremely unlikely you will need to be hospitalized or will die from it. I don't know about your expectations but for a first pass (I expect the pharmaceuticlal companies are going to extremes to improve the vaccine and make it effect for longer and against viral mutations) but I think the vaccine is pretty damn good.

"most people with basic common sense".

Most people with basic common sense are taking the vaccine. If you aren't among them, common sense may not be your forte.

"God bless America! Haha jk".

Dear God, you wrote this big ol' article and it wasn't until the very end that you said something that almost all of us agree with. Except for a few of the Euro-fanatics.

[JustTK]

I found it to be a very interesting read. but don't expect me or most people with basic common sense to have any respect for your intelligence and maybe even morality.

Unfortunately common sense has gone out of the window a long time ago, and the response of P97 is precisely what the essay was talking about! P97 actually did a really good job in demonstrating the issues that he was discussing.

[ScatManDoo]

The reactions of people like you are exactly why someone like me appreciates an author like Paul Kingsnorth. As I have stated before, I just feel people are educated enough to make decisions regarding their own health, especially with such an unproven vaccine. I also don't agree with the lockdowns at this point as the vaccine has not done what it was supposed to. If you want to make me out to be an idiot or an evil anti-vaxer, that's your right

Thank you for your permission.

[RamDavidson84]

I'm beginning to suspect that you've never read a good book. Those were the ramblings of a clueless blogger / conspiracy theorist who was out of court before he got started. Truth was optional. His whole argument centered on Ireland and Sub-Saharan Africa and he misinterprets both. A surge in infections was expected in Ireland as we enter winter. What's telling is that the death totals of the last two months are drastically lower than a similar surge back in January / February. The cases to deaths ratio has greatly diminished which is evidence that the vaccines are working. Improved treatments are also a factor, though not near enough over the last 9 or 10 months to account for the great disparity. In fact their total deaths linear scale has moved only a bit since the summer.

As to Sub-Saharan Africa, that's easy. They have a very young population, median age 16 to 17. We all know the young are less effected by Covid. They also have few if any long term care facilities and limited testing capabilities. None of this applies to South Africa and their stats look very different. Check the data yourself.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...untry/ireland/

I found it to be a very interesting read. I also don't respect your tone and it takes away from the point your are trying to make. There's no need to insult someone and laugh at them because they found a short reading interesting. Your reactions seem childish and you should show some more maturity if you are going to debate a serious topic. I have never enjoyed debating with someone who was only interested in winning the debate rather than actually trying to gain a deeper understanding of what is being discussed. Just not my style. You seem hurt more people don't agree with you in the moment so you lash out with insults as a desperate attempt to validate your argument. Most adults don't respect that type of emotional instability, especially on a forum where you have the time to calculate your response.

As for the reading, it stated a lot of things I think many have been feeling, but the media doesn't cover and it was refreshing to read. Obviously there is still a pandemic raging which has killed millions and no one is saying that vaccines are useless or there is some global conspiracy like you are trying to insinuate. I thought the author did an excellent job at illuminating the connections between tech companies, pharmaceutical companies, the media, their profits, and their vaccine stance. I do think to a certain degree the importance of "Free Speech" has been diminished and the reaction to the vaccine and pandemic goes much deeper than many realize or understand to an almost tribal level like the author stated. I found it be intellectually stimulating and of course anyone who is remotely educated realizes the author is exaggerating a bit to entertain the reader. Nothing wrong with that, no one is going to join an anti-vax cult after reading it, so just relax bro. It's all good. Should we bully and insult those who enjoy novels like Animal Farm or 1984 as well? The reactions of people like you are exactly why someone like me appreciates an author like Paul Kingsnorth. As I have stated before, I just feel people are educated enough to make decisions regarding their own health, especially with such an unproven vaccine. I also don't agree with the lockdowns at this point as the vaccine has not done what it was supposed to. If you want to make me out to be an idiot or an evil anti-vaxer, that's your right, but don't expect me or most people with basic common sense to have any respect for your intelligence and maybe even morality.

God bless America! Haha jk.

[JustTK]

I used BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17583772.

Sorry for thinking you were the author of that well-written piece. Following your post, I looked him up, listen and learned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_uA...channel=UnHerd.

Haha, that's excellent! Thanks for that Pedro. Although I was hoping it might have a more dramatic history. Not blaming you, obviously. Hehe.

Unherd is one of my fave news channels. And Freddie Sayers is a great host. Intelligent and not scared to queston authority. He did a superb investigation a couple of weeks ago when he went to Austria to research what it was like on the streets of Vienna during the new unvaxd lockdown.

"UnHerd aims to do two things: to push back against the herd mentality with new and bold thinking, and to provide a platform for otherwise unheard ideas, people and places".

I recommend it to anyone that seeks to hear alternative yet intelligent opinion.

[PedroMorales]

Does anyone here know the history of how Timbuktu came to be the go-to place to use when referencing some place that never matters?

Google, the medical source, failed me, so I used BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17583772.

Sorry for thinking you were the author of that well-written piece. Following your post, I looked him up, listen and learned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_uA...channel=UnHerd.

It is good to see the odd Briton can still think for himself and can use "the King's". Badgers here and elsewhere yelping about "the science" remind me of what the late and great Nazi fighter Joachim Piper (played by Robert Shaw in The Battle of the Bulge when he fought the American surrender monkeys) said of the men who fought under him. They only knew rudimentary of Nazi race theory, as most of them had little formal education. But could handle weapons and hated the American scum whose planes were incinerating their families.

It reminds me because the pro Nazi lockdown / apartheid lot are similarly uneducated bozos who don'; t even wash their hands after using the toilet. The difference is the bozos are gutless.

[JustTK]

She did not mention Sweeden or what happened to people in Timbuktu. She did not say how many people the Mayo Clinic study said are in ICU from covid in my age range. This is a lady that makes money off of me and she was totally unconcerned. Hell, she did not even have her mask over her nose.
Maybe my doctor got her license out of a cereal box and does not know better than all the "experts" in this room and others like it.

I think she is using a fake license MrE. Did you ask to scan it with your QR code reader so that you could verify it was not a fake license that she bought fom the street downtown?

Does anyone here know the history of how Timbuktu came to be the go-to place to use when referencing some place that never matters?