Stupid shit in Medellin

[Fun Luvr]

"A new study from the CDC ...

Thanks for the reply. The only research you referenced was a "study" from the CDC. The others were opinions. As for the CDC, that is a political entity of the Federal government. Each president of the US has the option of replacing the CDC director, and Biden exercised that option.
Digging through that CDC study revealed some interesting details. It was compiled using reports from 13 jurisdictions (25% of the US population). Were those cherry-picked reports, or was that all they had? The study doesn't indicate which.
Those reports were from April 4 to July 17.2021. "Case IRRs decreased, suggesting reduced vaccine effectiveness for prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infections." That was in July, so what might be the effectiveness now?
The data is skewed. They classified everyone as vaccinated or unvaccinated. People who were not fully vaccinated were classified as unvaccinated. Why not compare the fully vaccinated to the people with no vaccination, and leave out those who were partially vaccinated?
An interesting footnote in that study indicates that the fully vaccinated who got Covid had a higher percentage of death than those who were unvaccinated and got Covid (1.33% to 1.08%, respectively).

[Elvis 2008]

"A new study from the CDC published Friday finds that people who are vaccinated were far less likely to develop COVID-19 and to be hospitalized or die from the disease.

Compared to people who were not vaccinated, people who were vaccinated were five times less likely to develop COVID-19. They were 10 times less likely to be hospitalized and die from the disease.

And you believe that? How come if 40% of the world is vaccinated there are double the number of cases in 2021? How come if 60% of the USA is vaccinated we have more cases now than last year? Do you know how easy it is to rig a study like that? Even the guy you quote says, "We do not have conclusive proof." Why not?

This last is why it matters to ME if YOU are vaccinated, and why you're a selfish asshole if you're not.

If the vaccine works so damned great and you are vaccinated, why do you care at all? Are you as mad at drunks or fat diabetics? And what variants are we talking about?

Let me give you some data to put your 5 X number in perspective. In Tunisia and South Africa, cases per million are 60,000 and 51,000 per million. Deaths are 2100 and 1500 per million.

Now here are two countries in central Africa, Nigeria and Uganda. Cases per million are 1,000 per million and 2600 per million. Death rates are 14 per million and 68 per million.

Why is there 50 X more cases and 100 X more death in some countries in Africa versus others?

Given you are a Democratic douche, and you have all the answers, it has to be that Nigeria does better with vaccines, social distancing, and mask wearing. What else could it be? You douches know all there is to know about Covid and that is what it has to be.

Here is a novel idea: quit listening to people paid to promote the vaccine. This is from Robert Kennedy's book:

"The CDC is a subsidiary of the pharmaceutical industry. The agency owns more than 20 vaccine patents and purchases and sells $4. 1 billion in vaccines annually. Congressman Dave Weldon has pointed out that the primary metric for success across the CDC is how many vaccines the agency sells and how successfully the agency expands its vaccine program regardless of any negative effects on human health."

40% of Pfizer's revenue has been off of the Covid vaccine and its profit off of it is close to $1 billion. It is amazing how many people are getting rich off a shitty vaccine, a vaccine so bad that it might not even work for the latest variant Omicron.

[Mr Enternational]

Most people with Covid do not get put in the hospital (it is now less than 1%) and even then you put these people on oxygen, blood thinners, steroids, and / or Regenron if they qualify and they do well. So why does this guy want unvaxxed sick people to be put in a gym? Because he is a fucking asshole.

I went to the doctor yesterday for a regular checkup and one of the first things she asked was if I had gotten a covid vaccine. I told her no and she asked the reason why not. She said if you ever decide to get one then you can just go to the lobby and sign up. Then it was on to the next thing.

She did not tell me about how the hospitals were overcrowded because of people like me or how I was going to get sick and die (especially having asthma) or how I was going to infect everyone around me. She did not mention Sweeden or what happened to people in Timbuktu. She did not say how many people the Mayo Clinic study said are in ICU from covid in my age range. This is a lady that makes money off of me and she was totally unconcerned. Hell, she did not even have her mask over her nose.

It was the very opposite of a group of strangers that want to quote sources of how this world is doomed if I do not get a shot and are so concerned with my personal health that they stress themselves out wanting to beat some sense into me, jab me with a needle themselves, or wish for the incarceration or death of myself and others like me. Maybe my doctor got her license out of a cereal box and does not know better than all the "experts" in this room and others like it.

[JustTK]

"A new study from the CDC published Friday finds that people who are vaccinated were far less likely to develop COVID-19 and to be hospitalized or die from the disease.
This last is why it matters to ME if YOU are vaccinated, and why you're a selfish asshole if you're not.

Hi Huacho.

As much as you would like to believe it, the data is not on your side. I have always said, and I remain open to persuasion by facts. But currently the evidence rests on the side of the skeptics.

The new CDC study reported in Healthline lacks any multivariable analysis so can be dismissed immediately as inconclusive – no details of timeline of vaccinations, no details on the immune status of the non-vaxd, no age analysis. Look, we all accept that the vax has some efficacy for the first few months. The issue is that it does not do what it was sold to the public to do – it does not provide long term protection. And is it any better than natural immunity? Please come back when you have that evidence.

"Even when fully vaccinated people develop symptoms, they tend to be less severe symptoms than in unvaccinated people. This means they are much less likely to be hospitalized or die than people who are not vaccinated. ".

So why does this bother you? This is just validation that it is indeed a personal choice. Lie cigarettes and alcohol etc, its up to me if I want to take the health risk. It doesn't impact you, so stop concerning yourself about my health.

"We do not have conclusive proof. But more and more studies and real-world evidence points to fully vaccinated people, who are not immunocompromised, are less likely to transmit the virus if they become infected," said Brian Laird, PharmD, manager of Pharmacy Operations at OSF HealthCare Heart of Mary Medical Center in Urbana, Illinois. "The reason why is that vaccinated people have a lower viral load if they get infected," Brian said.

Ok, great. Some guy who works at a pharmacy tells us he has inconclusive proof, so Huacho now thinks I am a selfish arsehole. That says it all really, Huacho. That shows how robust your argument is. What about some real evidence Huacho?

Huacho – do you eat beef, chicken, fish, pork, cheese, milk? Then I think you are a selfish arsehole. Firstly, bcos you do not care about the lives of those unfortunate creatures (the very definition of selfishness), and secondly bcos by eating those animal products, you put yourself and others at greater risk of infection. That IS scientifically proven. So Huacho, tell me honestly, who is the arsehole now?

[Paulie97]

Paul Kingsnorth.

From his website in the "film" section:

"In this conversation with Unherd, in March 2021, I talk to Freddie Sayers about mythic versus logoic ways of seeing, avoiding culture wars, Bill Gates, conspiracy theories and escaping the Machine."

"An interview from spring 2021 with the 'Techtonic' programme on WFMU radio in New York, about my novel Alexandria, and the onrush of techno-feudalism in our society. We talked about the failed promise of the internet, the coming surveillance civilisation, Jacques Ellul, techno-colonialism, neo-environmentalism and more."

https://www.paulkingsnorth.net/sounds

He's another tin foil hat global conspiracy theory peddler but with a coffee house vibe. And one that can't be bothered with doing a bit of basic data research on Sub-Sarahan Africa and Ireland before rolling out his preset monologue. Those were launching pads, nothing more. Lolol.

Just wear a mask. Get the jab or suffer the consequences. Societies have a right to protect themselves from selfish people. It's nothing so lofty, devious, conspiratorial, or complicated. Pandemics happen, and if history is an indicator this should be temporary.

[Paulie97]

Do you know what's even sadder? You, for a few obvious reasons.

1. You are obviously lacking in reading comprehension skills. I've certainly never told anyone to get vaccinated. I've stated, more than once that, in my opinion, it's in most people's best interest to get vaccinated, but whether or not they do doesn't matter to me. I don't believe anyone else who you listed has insisted people get vaccinated. What they and I have stated is that Covid is a serious issue. That's not an extremely radical position. Basically every country, every research organization, every healthcare organization, etc, has stated the same thing. Considering the past 20 months, anyone smarter than a hamster recognizes that Covid is quite likely the most significant event within our lifetimes, no matter how you want to measure it.

This true and it's fully appropriate to counter fallacious arguments that attempt to diminish the value of vaccinations and other mitigation efforts.

[Elvis 2008]

Please provide a link to the research to substantiate that claim.

FL, he is just another Democratic douche spouting off their dogma. You can tell just by the term "horse dewormer". There are 68 million horses and 8 billion people, and the use of ivermectin in people (and dogs, cats, reptiles ETC) dwarfs the number of horses, so you can imagine who came up with that name. Clearly, the vaccine manufacturers are worried about it.

You might ask why. Every fucking day the NYT sends me a morning email and there is the constant comparison of red and blue states and counties with an attempt to show blue regions are handling Covid better, and I do not see any difference at all. It is like this Sweden crap. Sweden did good or bad with Covid based on who you compare them to.

Where there is a real discrepancy is in Africa. Look at these numbers in cases per million: 51,000 in South Africa, 57,000 in Libya, and in the most populous country in Africa, Nigeria, 1000 per million. If politics were not dominating Covid, this is the discrepancy that should be studied or maybe not if you are a vaccine manufacturer.

You see this might be one reason as to why: https://i0.wp.com/noqreport.com/wp-c...rica.jpg?ssl=1.

https://stuartbramhall.wordpress.com...ermectin-data/

And anybody who writes this about sick people, "the unvaxxed would get put in a gymnasium and given horse dewormer" has got issues.

Most people with Covid do not get put in the hospital (it is now less than 1%) and even then you put these people on oxygen, blood thinners, steroids, and / or Regenron if they qualify and they do well. So why does this guy want unvaxxed sick people to be put in a gym? Because he is a fucking asshole.

[Huacho]

Please provide a link to the research to substantiate that claim.

"A new study from the CDC published Friday finds that people who are vaccinated were far less likely to develop COVID-19 and to be hospitalized or die from the disease.

Compared to people who were not vaccinated, people who were vaccinated were five times less likely to develop COVID-19. They were 10 times less likely to be hospitalized and die from the disease. "

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...ure-vaccinated#Breakthrough-infections-risk.

"Fully vaccinated people with a vaccine breakthrough infection are less likely to develop serious illness than those who are unvaccinated and get COVID-19.

Even when fully vaccinated people develop symptoms, they tend to be less severe symptoms than in unvaccinated people. This means they are much less likely to be hospitalized or die than people who are not vaccinated. "

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ugh-cases.html

"We do not have conclusive proof. But more and more studies and real-world evidence points to fully vaccinated people, who are not immunocompromised, are less likely to transmit the virus if they become infected," said Brian Laird, PharmD, manager of Pharmacy Operations at OSF HealthCare Heart of Mary Medical Center in Urbana, Illinois. "The reason why is that vaccinated people have a lower viral load if they get infected," Brian said.

https://www.osfhealthcare.org/blog/f...-19-to-others/

This last is why it matters to ME if YOU are vaccinated, and why you're a selfish asshole if you're not.

[JjBee62]

A plague of idiots? More people literally die from driving their cars everyday and cigarettes each year.

If you know how to eat right, supplement and exercise then your body is a lot more powerful / smarter than you think.

Sheep like you are literally cattle for these big companies herding in and profiting off of all of this. Spreading your silly fear mongering everywhere left and right. I personally feel way more at risk of something bad happening just driving my car each day back home in Atlanta traffic than I do with covid.

Pussies like you who don't know how to fend for ourselves are why we have to wear these stupid fucking masks every day. Imagine growing up as a child in this era only knowing to be masked at all times. I value my natural rights and freedom clearly you do not..

I got busy and neglected one part of this gem of a response.

I have 2 questions about your claim you were in Wuhan.

1. When was this? Was it back in 2019 when a respiratory illness of unknown origin was reported in Wuhan? Was it when the SARS-CoV-2 virus was isolated? Was it when the WHO declared the pandemic? Or was it when travel restrictions began? I'm asking, because that covers about 6 months.

2. So what? Is that how you think knowledge is gained? There are several buildings designed by Frank Lloyd Wright convenient to me. If I go tour them do I magically become an architect? Better yet, I was married to an artist and spent several years dealing with all things art, including some modeling. I can just visit a few galleries and poof, I'm an artist. Heck, I can go cruise the halls of a med school and next week I'll be a doctor.

Regarding your lecture on vitamins, it appears I know more about them than you.

1. There's a limit to how much of each vitamin your body can assimilate. Exceeding those limits is at best useless.

2. Vitamins received from eating properly are more effective than swallowing a few handfuls of pills.

3. Overdosing vitamins and minerals can cause some serious health issues.

[Paulie97]

Just a bunch of decrepit 60-70 year olds like jjbee, huancho, villainy, paulie spending their last 5-10 years on earth screaming into the ether "PLAGUE RATS! GET THE DAMN JAB!

Lmao I really hope it gets better for you guys, I can't imagine being this angry everyday.

Pot calling the kettle black as you've had plenty to say on this thread and likely aren't done. As to anger, who has the cap key on? LMAO. But your anit-vaxxer / Convid conspiracy theorist side, though a minority view in the world, has the greater representation on this thread, and are a sure bet to get the last word. No dedication beats dedication to lies.

P.S. As to longevity, based on health and family history I likely have about another 30 years. But yea, being only in your 30's or 40's doesn't do you much good if you are ugly and / or fat as hell, or just stupid. You are good for at least one, if not all three.

[Huacho]

I've never met Huacho, but the rest of the guys you feel threatened by, myself included, are generally easy going, laid back guys.

I'm not easy going or laid back and anyone who does not want to get vaccinated should be bastinadoed.

[Paulie97]

Very well written. Now get ready for the attacks, even though you are not the author.

Anyone not given to attacks shouldn't post links to such poorly written, unsourced, uninvestigated blog posts. C'est La Vie.

[Paulie97]

Please provide a link to the research to substantiate that claim.

You need to ask the same of the blogger that you and JustTK have your head up between the butt cheeks of, not a link in site.

[Paulie97]

You posted a truly profound piece of literature. Very excellent read, quite troubling as well.

I'm beginning to suspect that you've never read a good book. Those were the ramblings of a clueless blogger / conspiracy theorist who was out of court before he got started. Truth was optional. His whole argument centered on Ireland and Sub-Saharan Africa and he misinterprets both. A surge in infections was expected in Ireland as we enter winter. What's telling is that the death totals of the last two months are drastically lower than a similar surge back in January / February. The cases to deaths ratio has greatly diminished which is evidence that the vaccines are working. Improved treatments are also a factor, though not near enough over the last 9 or 10 months to account for the great disparity. In fact their total deaths linear scale has moved only a bit since the summer.

As to Sub-Saharan Africa, that's easy. They have a very young population, median age 16 to 17. We all know the young are less effected by Covid. They also have few if any long term care facilities and limited testing capabilities. None of this applies to South Africa and their stats look very different. Check the data yourself.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...untry/ireland/

[Fun Luvr]

Yes they do at a rate of less than 1/20th of unvaxxed.

Please provide a link to the research to substantiate that claim.