Stupid shit in Medellin

[TnJed]

Well, that's incorrect. The vaccine is still raging because we have no effective vaccine to reduce transmissions.

You're a great combo. Toxic and stupid.

Vaccines to prevent serious illness AND wear a fucking mask to limit transmission. Jesus f'ing Christ.

[RamDavidson84]

Am not sure what news channels you watch Ram, but I would consider changing them. Hehe. As of 15 Sep 2021,60% of people in high income countries had received 1 jab, whereas 3% in low income countries had received one. Thats according to the UN. https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/09/1100192.

The World Bank stated that of the first 4 billion vaccine doses used, only 0. 3% of them went to people from low income countries.

Which country am I from? I would rather not say. Nothing against you Ram, but there are plenty others here who pounce on any information to insult and mis-characterise you.

Interesting and concerning statistics you present. I followed the world vaccination chart on vaccination rates from CNN I believe. They had an interactive map and I followed much of Latin America and their vaccination rates, hehe especially Mexico and Colombia for obvious reasons and I didn't notice many nations were so far behind. I am always in support of a free market and private ownership of business and industry and unfortunately healthcare is privatized in the USA so I would have to support their rights in a situation like this most of the time, but I think for future pandemics, perhaps there could be a discussion on the use of emergency legislation to allow a more even distribution of a vaccine to third world nations.

And respect to your privacy, the most I would ever reveal about my self on a forum like this is my nationality.

[JustTK]

I followed the vaccination rates around the world and it wasn't a significant difference at the speed of distribution from first world to third world nations and remember this, if it wasn't for those first world nations, we wouldn't have a vaccine to begin with. Just curious TK, what country are you from?

Am not sure what news channels you watch Ram, but I would consider changing them. Hehe. As of 15 Sep 2021,60% of people in high income countries had received 1 jab, whereas 3% in low income countries had received one. Thats according to the UN. https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/09/1100192.

The World Bank stated that of the first 4 billion vaccine doses used, only 0. 3% of them went to people from low income countries.

Which country am I from? I would rather not say. Nothing against you Ram, but there are plenty others here who pounce on any information to insult and mis-characterise you.

[RamDavidson84]

Well, that's incorrect. The vaccine is still raging because we have no effective vaccine to reduce transmissions.

I hate raging vaccines that aren't effective because the vaccine wasn't effective at reducing vaccines. LOL.

[RamDavidson84]

Nothing is more predictable. Since the start of the pandemic and with few exceptions it's the strong red states that are leading the way when it comes to confirmed Covid cases per 100 K population. This while your leftist states with very few exceptions bring up the rear. And it's Republicans that lead the way by far when it comes to refusing vaccinations. See attachments. This data was already posted so apparently you haven't been following this thread. But save the fake indignation pal as no one here with any sense is buying it. Right wing nuts are the biggest problem we face in this country. They also lead the way in domestic terrorism as determined by Trump's DHS.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...assessment.pdf

P.S. The border is a complex issue but needless to say Trump's "wall" would never have worked.

Paulie97,

I am not an anti-vaccine and I never said anything about people who are either pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine. Personally I am fully vaccinated and I feel safer that way and I think its the smart thing to do to get vaccinated if your health is good. I also consider myself a moderate and not a Republican and I am from a strong blue-state. When it comes to the border issue, I tend to agree with Republican policies these, but I always judge any issue on my own and don't just blindly take party lines. The border issue is very complex, I agree. In my opinion the safest solution regarding the spread of covid-19 would be to secure the border which our President, or my President depending on your country, is failing miserably to do anything about.

Please don't label me a right-wing nut just because I advocate for border security to protect labor wages, taxes, protection from drug cartels, reduction in drug trafficking, voter base-size regulation, and the reduction of covid cases within my nation. There's no justification there to label someone a nut for advocating those policies.

As far as Right-wing nuts go, they are definitely a problem, but the thing is I never hear of terrorist acts they actually commit in real life. I have never seen a right-wing terrorist attack in my local community. Ever. I literally see weekly shootings from inner city crime in my local community as well as many other forms of serious crime and it seems like a much realistic problem which effects my life and the lives of people in my community. People can spit out what ever strange facts and statistics they want, but when I read the local news and its constantly covering local shootings, looting, vandalism, car thefts. Etc on a very regular basis and I have never ever in decades seen one act of domestic terrorism, I am much more concerned about inner city crime. For the record, I have a close friend who was shot several weeks ago and my neighbors house was broken into and robbed a few weeks ago as well. Just judging life by what I actually experience. I am sure your life experiences are different and they shape your views on these same issues much differently from mine.

Again I would never condone right-wing extremism and things like the Jan. 6th riots are a disgrace and the actions of those right-wing nuts were reprehensible. You can never condone riots like that. They were just as bad and shameful as the Left-wing nuts who burnt cities down over the George Floyd murder.

[ShooBree]

I try to stay out of arguments on this board because there's already too much acrimony in the world and this space is about our mongering hobby. But in this instance I'll jump in here for a sec. It's apparent you may only get your information from Fox News or worse, Newsmax. No Covid vaccine is 100% effective and they have never been advertised as such. What they all do effectively is drastically reduce the possibility of serious illness and death. You can be fully vaxxed with a booster and still become a breakthrough case. But feeling no symptoms, you can infect others, including kids under 5 who can't get the shot. By the way, South Africa is experiencing a unsettling uptick in cases of kids under 5 with the Omicron variant.

In regards to your right wing talking point about illegals spreading the virus, there are zero evidence that is happening. The only evidence that can truly be relied on is that this virus is still raging because there large numbers of people across the globe not vaccinated. The Southern Hemisphere needs to vaccinate 3 billion people still. Here at home there are still 40%+ of Americans that refuse to roll their sleeves up and do what's right.

Well, that's incorrect. The vaccine is still raging because we have no effective vaccine to reduce transmissions.

[ShooBree]

LOL what? First of all you got it backwards. Boomers. Right wing are the anti vaxxers.

Its been killing Colombians 129 k fatalities so far. 2. 5% may be insignificant to you but its still killing their elderly.

Lastly, stay out of Colombia if you you're an anti vaxer covidiot.

You're obviously the idiot given that even fully vaccinated can infect others with the virus.

Also, it's not needed to be vaccinated to be allowed in to Colombia so just STFU with your moronic opinions.

[Paulie97]

'Ten minutes?'More like 30 or 45 minutes...I made my point.

Okay so according to you Affiee (the red door) only had one girl available, and that you were the only one there the whole time other than that girl and the lady manager. You didn't take the girl but stayed 30 to 45 minutes. Why? To stare at the wall? If you wanted to play with your phone 45 minutes you wouldn't be out hunting for as girl. You obviously don't speak any basis Spanish, probably can hardly fumble around with Google translate as you never asked the manager if any girls were occupied or if any more were arriving soon. Yet you assumed all the rooms were empty and that the casa is on it's last legs. Your point is that you are a liar, which a lot of people are when trying to defend bone headed posts, but next time try to make your lies at least somewhat believable. That's the only point here.

[RamDavidson84]

Well, you made a lot of false assumptions in what I wrote .

"I also assumed you were referring to the USA because you are replying to a post which was referencing problems currently occurring at the border of the USA and Mexico. ".

Clearly I am referring to tier 1 and 2 nations.

"I assumed you were trying to argue that first world nations deliberately try to keep third world nations in poverty? Is this what you meant?

No, I never wrote that.

"I strongly disagree that anyone out there in a free market democratic society is trying to deny people in poverty freedom and opportunity just so that they can exploit them".

I never claimed that either.

"Maybe in Cuba and Venezuela, but they are communist dictatorships and not "Tier 1" or "Tier 2" nations, if that's what you meant...

I understand what you meant. You sure did choose some interesting words to write your original post with if this is the message you actually wanted to convey. Either way, after reading your post, I agree that the Pharma Companies should allow poorer nations to produce their own vaccines and share their intellectual property rights regarding the vaccine. I wasn't aware that it was even taking place to be honest. It is not something covered at all in the American media. I do know that even here in the USA, it took a very long time to produce the vaccine and distribute it to the masses.

I disagree with you though that people from any country should bite back at first world nations for not sharing the I. P. Rights, I followed the vaccination rates around the world and it wasn't a significant difference at the speed of distribution from first world to third world nations and remember this, if it wasn't for those first world nations, we wouldn't have a vaccine to begin with. Just curious TK, what country are you from?

[Paulie97]

That is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Like seriously, I have never read a more idiotic comment ever. I don't want to start a fight TK, I am sure your a good guy at heart. I just can't understand how that could even be a logical thought in another persons mind.

Fact- It is absolutely no ones fault in the USA that people from other countries are in poverty. The people of the USA owe nothing to anyone else on this planet. People in poverty from other nations by the millions, are illegally crossing into the USA and spreading a deadly virus.

Opinion- For a very long time, nations went to war for far less.

Nothing is more predictable. Since the start of the pandemic and with few exceptions it's the strong red states that are leading the way when it comes to confirmed Covid cases per 100 K population. This while your leftist states with very few exceptions bring up the rear. And it's Republicans that lead the way by far when it comes to refusing vaccinations. See attachments. This data was already posted so apparently you haven't been following this thread. But save the fake indignation pal as no one here with any sense is buying it. Right wing nuts are the biggest problem we face in this country. They also lead the way in domestic terrorism as determined by Trump's DHS.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...assessment.pdf

P.S. The border is a complex issue but needless to say Trump's "wall" would never have worked.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Deaths per one million population per worldometer is 2491 in Colombia, 2422 in USA, and 1486 in Sweden.

Not sure what being an antivaxxer has to do with anything, but those numbers show it really was stupid for the government to have shut down and banned international travel for as long as they did.

JAJAJAJAJA.

Going on 2 fucking years later!

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/12...ublic-schools/

[JustTK]

My bad if I misinterpreted anything in your post. I have a made a stupid post from time to time.

Well, you made a lot of false assumptions in what I wrote .

"I also assumed you were referring to the USA because you are replying to a post which was referencing problems currently occurring at the border of the USA and Mexico. ".

Clearly I am referring to tier 1 and 2 nations.

"I assumed you were trying to argue that first world nations deliberately try to keep third world nations in poverty? Is this what you meant?

No, I never wrote that.

"I strongly disagree that anyone out there in a free market democratic society is trying to deny people in poverty freedom and opportunity just so that they can exploit them".

I never claimed that either.

"Maybe in Cuba and Venezuela, but they are communist dictatorships and not "Tier 1" or "Tier 2" nations, if that's what you meant. ".

Totally false, but that's an argument for another day. Hehe.

"I assumed when you stated that people in poverty are going to "Bite back painfully", I took that as a hostile comment meaning the USA and Tier 1 nations deserve the chaos, death, and toxic environment created by the mass influx of illegal immigrants at the border. Am I wrong in that statement?

I hoped for a big and painful bite so that the tier 1 and 2 would wake up and take notice of what their policies are reaping. To get their attention.

"And I am very confused on how the property rights of first world nations impoverish people in third world nations? What exactly did you mean by that?

I never claimed that.

Maybe it's easier if I just start again? – Nearly all the vaxes have gone to Tier 1 and 2 nations. Tier 1 nations are refusing to waive their intellectual property rights to the vaxes as they want to profit from the vaxes. I think this is a selfish and myopic policy. The WHO agrees with me. Poor countries could produce their own vaxes or buy them at affordable prices if Tier 1 nations waived their rights. You cannot eradicate any virus unless everyone is vaccinated with an effective vax. Allowing a virus to circulate will lead to more variants, and these variants will come back and bite the Tier 1 in the arse. That's the point I was making. Although I did prefer my point about this being a metaphor for poverty in general. Hehe.

[MarquisdeSade1]

I try to stay out of arguments on this board because there's already too much acrimony in the world and this space is about our mongering hobby. But in this instance I'll jump in here for a sec. It's apparent you may only get your information from Fox News or worse, Newsmax. No Covid vaccine is 100% effective and they have never been advertised as such. What they all do effectively is drastically reduce the possibility of serious illness and death. You can be fully vaxxed with a booster and still become a breakthrough case. But feeling no symptoms, you can infect others, including kids under 5 who can't get the shot. By the way, South Africa is experiencing a unsettling uptick in cases of kids under 5 with the Omicron variant.

In regards to your right wing talking point about illegals spreading the virus, there are zero evidence that is happening. The only evidence that can truly be relied on is that this virus is still raging because there large numbers of people across the globe not vaccinated. The Southern Hemisphere needs to vaccinate 3 billion people still. Here at home there are still 40%+ of Americans that refuse to roll their sleeves up and do what's right.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-careerists/

https://amgreatness.com/2021/12/03/the-folly-of-wisdom-in-an-unwise-age/

BTW your numbers are a bit off!!!

https://www.google.com/search?q=population+of+the+southern+hemisphere&source=hp&ei=OcWrYdD6CN_S1sQPr6eVyAc&iflsig=ALs-wAMAAAAAYavTSbUy3EECe24XNetRBgOVV8tHK04m&oq=population+of+the+southern+hemis&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIFCAAQgAQyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOgcIABCABBAKOgUILhCABDoKCAAQgAQQRhD7AVAAWLEsYLQ7aABwAHgBgAHWBYgB7TCSAQ4wLjIwLjYuMi4wLjEuMZgBAKABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

[RamDavidson84]

I try to stay out of arguments on this board because there's already too much acrimony in the world and this space is about our mongering hobby. But in this instance I'll jump in here for a sec. It's apparent you may only get your information from Fox News or worse, Newsmax. No Covid vaccine is 100% effective and they have never been advertised as such. What they all do effectively is drastically reduce the possibility of serious illness and death. You can be fully vaxxed with a booster and still become a breakthrough case. But feeling no symptoms, you can infect others, including kids under 5 who can't get the shot. By the way, South Africa is experiencing a unsettling uptick in cases of kids under 5 with the Omicron variant.

In regards to your right wing talking point about illegals spreading the virus, there are zero evidence that is happening. The only evidence that can truly be relied on is that this virus is still raging because there large numbers of people across the globe not vaccinated. The Southern Hemisphere needs to vaccinate 3 billion people still. Here at home there are still 40%+ of Americans that refuse to roll their sleeves up and do what's right.

Please correct me if I am wrong. I am just stating my opinion.

1. To the best of my knowledge, millions of undocumented immigrants have crossed the southern border to the USA illegally since the start of this Pandemic. Is seems almost impossible to assume that none of them transmitted the virus across the border which significantly contributed to the spread of the virus. There may be no scientific studies on it, but "common sense" would indicate that many of them probably spread the virus. That same common sense logic is probably why for a long time, many nations secured their border and did not allow travel at all in any form.

I think its hard to argue that the policy of Biden makes any sense. He does as little as possible when it comes to securing the border but allows millions of illegals to cross the border. He then makes all international travelers take a 24 hour covid test regardless of vaccination. It really looks like to me, he is trying to increase the size of his voter base through illegal immigration and this comes at the expense of American citizen's health, and if you speak out against it, your deemed a racist bigot.

This is my opinion and I understand if you see it a different way and would encourage someone to explain to me why his policy makes sense.

[RamDavidson84]

Haha, you beat me to it!! I too was wondering why he got his knickers in a twist about the USA there.

Haha, let me tone it down, I will admit my post came off too harsh and I should have checked the hostility. Always happy to debate the proper way.

You are responding to a post about the current border situation and in which the post is pointing out how millions of illegal immigrants fleeing nations of poverty are crossing the border illegally and spreading the virus. You then post about how "Tier 1" and "Tier 2" nations are profiting off these people in poverty because of "property rights". I assumed you meant a tier 1 nation is a first world industrialized nation. I also assumed you were referring to the USA because you are replying to a post which was referencing problems currently occurring at the border of the USA and Mexico.

I assumed you were trying to argue that first world nations deliberately try to keep third world nations in poverty? Is this what you meant?

I also assumed you were trying to state that due to this level of poverty that people in third world nations do not have access to the vaccine and because of this the virus can mutate and flourish and reinfect people in more dangerous forms in both first and third world nations. Were you trying to state that point?

I strongly disagree that anyone out there in a free market democratic society is trying to deny people in poverty freedom and opportunity just so that they can exploit them. Maybe in Cuba and Venezuela, but they are communist dictatorships and not "Tier 1" or "Tier 2" nations, if that's what you meant.

I assumed when you stated that people in poverty are going to "Bite back painfully", I took that as a hostile comment meaning the USA and Tier 1 nations deserve the chaos, death, and toxic environment created by the mass influx of illegal immigrants at the border. Am I wrong in that statement?

And I am very confused on how the property rights of first world nations impoverish people in third world nations? What exactly did you mean by that?

My bad if I misinterpreted anything in your post. I have a made a stupid post from time to time.