Stupid shit in Medellin

[JustTK]

My bad if I misinterpreted anything in your post. I have a made a stupid post from time to time.

Well, you made a lot of false assumptions in what I wrote .

"I also assumed you were referring to the USA because you are replying to a post which was referencing problems currently occurring at the border of the USA and Mexico. ".

Clearly I am referring to tier 1 and 2 nations.

"I assumed you were trying to argue that first world nations deliberately try to keep third world nations in poverty? Is this what you meant?

No, I never wrote that.

"I strongly disagree that anyone out there in a free market democratic society is trying to deny people in poverty freedom and opportunity just so that they can exploit them".

I never claimed that either.

"Maybe in Cuba and Venezuela, but they are communist dictatorships and not "Tier 1" or "Tier 2" nations, if that's what you meant. ".

Totally false, but that's an argument for another day. Hehe.

"I assumed when you stated that people in poverty are going to "Bite back painfully", I took that as a hostile comment meaning the USA and Tier 1 nations deserve the chaos, death, and toxic environment created by the mass influx of illegal immigrants at the border. Am I wrong in that statement?

I hoped for a big and painful bite so that the tier 1 and 2 would wake up and take notice of what their policies are reaping. To get their attention.

"And I am very confused on how the property rights of first world nations impoverish people in third world nations? What exactly did you mean by that?

I never claimed that.

Maybe it's easier if I just start again? – Nearly all the vaxes have gone to Tier 1 and 2 nations. Tier 1 nations are refusing to waive their intellectual property rights to the vaxes as they want to profit from the vaxes. I think this is a selfish and myopic policy. The WHO agrees with me. Poor countries could produce their own vaxes or buy them at affordable prices if Tier 1 nations waived their rights. You cannot eradicate any virus unless everyone is vaccinated with an effective vax. Allowing a virus to circulate will lead to more variants, and these variants will come back and bite the Tier 1 in the arse. That's the point I was making. Although I did prefer my point about this being a metaphor for poverty in general. Hehe.

[MarquisdeSade1]

I try to stay out of arguments on this board because there's already too much acrimony in the world and this space is about our mongering hobby. But in this instance I'll jump in here for a sec. It's apparent you may only get your information from Fox News or worse, Newsmax. No Covid vaccine is 100% effective and they have never been advertised as such. What they all do effectively is drastically reduce the possibility of serious illness and death. You can be fully vaxxed with a booster and still become a breakthrough case. But feeling no symptoms, you can infect others, including kids under 5 who can't get the shot. By the way, South Africa is experiencing a unsettling uptick in cases of kids under 5 with the Omicron variant.

In regards to your right wing talking point about illegals spreading the virus, there are zero evidence that is happening. The only evidence that can truly be relied on is that this virus is still raging because there large numbers of people across the globe not vaccinated. The Southern Hemisphere needs to vaccinate 3 billion people still. Here at home there are still 40%+ of Americans that refuse to roll their sleeves up and do what's right.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-careerists/

https://amgreatness.com/2021/12/03/the-folly-of-wisdom-in-an-unwise-age/

BTW your numbers are a bit off!!!

https://www.google.com/search?q=population+of+the+southern+hemisphere&source=hp&ei=OcWrYdD6CN_S1sQPr6eVyAc&iflsig=ALs-wAMAAAAAYavTSbUy3EECe24XNetRBgOVV8tHK04m&oq=population+of+the+southern+hemis&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIFCAAQgAQyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOgcIABCABBAKOgUILhCABDoKCAAQgAQQRhD7AVAAWLEsYLQ7aABwAHgBgAHWBYgB7TCSAQ4wLjIwLjYuMi4wLjEuMZgBAKABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

[RamDavidson84]

I try to stay out of arguments on this board because there's already too much acrimony in the world and this space is about our mongering hobby. But in this instance I'll jump in here for a sec. It's apparent you may only get your information from Fox News or worse, Newsmax. No Covid vaccine is 100% effective and they have never been advertised as such. What they all do effectively is drastically reduce the possibility of serious illness and death. You can be fully vaxxed with a booster and still become a breakthrough case. But feeling no symptoms, you can infect others, including kids under 5 who can't get the shot. By the way, South Africa is experiencing a unsettling uptick in cases of kids under 5 with the Omicron variant.

In regards to your right wing talking point about illegals spreading the virus, there are zero evidence that is happening. The only evidence that can truly be relied on is that this virus is still raging because there large numbers of people across the globe not vaccinated. The Southern Hemisphere needs to vaccinate 3 billion people still. Here at home there are still 40%+ of Americans that refuse to roll their sleeves up and do what's right.

Please correct me if I am wrong. I am just stating my opinion.

1. To the best of my knowledge, millions of undocumented immigrants have crossed the southern border to the USA illegally since the start of this Pandemic. Is seems almost impossible to assume that none of them transmitted the virus across the border which significantly contributed to the spread of the virus. There may be no scientific studies on it, but "common sense" would indicate that many of them probably spread the virus. That same common sense logic is probably why for a long time, many nations secured their border and did not allow travel at all in any form.

I think its hard to argue that the policy of Biden makes any sense. He does as little as possible when it comes to securing the border but allows millions of illegals to cross the border. He then makes all international travelers take a 24 hour covid test regardless of vaccination. It really looks like to me, he is trying to increase the size of his voter base through illegal immigration and this comes at the expense of American citizen's health, and if you speak out against it, your deemed a racist bigot.

This is my opinion and I understand if you see it a different way and would encourage someone to explain to me why his policy makes sense.

[RamDavidson84]

Haha, you beat me to it!! I too was wondering why he got his knickers in a twist about the USA there.

Haha, let me tone it down, I will admit my post came off too harsh and I should have checked the hostility. Always happy to debate the proper way.

You are responding to a post about the current border situation and in which the post is pointing out how millions of illegal immigrants fleeing nations of poverty are crossing the border illegally and spreading the virus. You then post about how "Tier 1" and "Tier 2" nations are profiting off these people in poverty because of "property rights". I assumed you meant a tier 1 nation is a first world industrialized nation. I also assumed you were referring to the USA because you are replying to a post which was referencing problems currently occurring at the border of the USA and Mexico.

I assumed you were trying to argue that first world nations deliberately try to keep third world nations in poverty? Is this what you meant?

I also assumed you were trying to state that due to this level of poverty that people in third world nations do not have access to the vaccine and because of this the virus can mutate and flourish and reinfect people in more dangerous forms in both first and third world nations. Were you trying to state that point?

I strongly disagree that anyone out there in a free market democratic society is trying to deny people in poverty freedom and opportunity just so that they can exploit them. Maybe in Cuba and Venezuela, but they are communist dictatorships and not "Tier 1" or "Tier 2" nations, if that's what you meant.

I assumed when you stated that people in poverty are going to "Bite back painfully", I took that as a hostile comment meaning the USA and Tier 1 nations deserve the chaos, death, and toxic environment created by the mass influx of illegal immigrants at the border. Am I wrong in that statement?

And I am very confused on how the property rights of first world nations impoverish people in third world nations? What exactly did you mean by that?

My bad if I misinterpreted anything in your post. I have a made a stupid post from time to time.

[Elvis 2008]

129 K deaths from CoVid in a population of 52 M is only 0. 25%. Just to be accurate, but all your points are exactly right. Colombians believe the science and are getting vaccinated at a very high rate, higher than many European countries. As of December 1st, 48.9% have have been fully vaccinated and 74.5% have had at least 1 vaccination.

So just like Maelstrom said. If you are an anti-vaxxer stay out of Colombia.

Deaths per one million population per worldometer is 2491 in Colombia, 2422 in USA, and 1486 in Sweden.

Not sure what being an antivaxxer has to do with anything, but those numbers show it really was stupid for the government to have shut down and banned international travel for as long as they did.

[Psychman]

I try to stay out of arguments on this board because there's already too much acrimony in the world and this space is about our mongering hobby. But in this instance I'll jump in here for a sec. It's apparent you may only get your information from Fox News or worse, Newsmax. No Covid vaccine is 100% effective and they have never been advertised as such. What they all do effectively is drastically reduce the possibility of serious illness and death. You can be fully vaxxed with a booster and still become a breakthrough case. But feeling no symptoms, you can infect others, including kids under 5 who can't get the shot. By the way, South Africa is experiencing a unsettling uptick in cases of kids under 5 with the Omicron variant.

In regards to your right wing talking point about illegals spreading the virus, there are zero evidence that is happening. The only evidence that can truly be relied on is that this virus is still raging because there large numbers of people across the globe not vaccinated. The Southern Hemisphere needs to vaccinate 3 billion people still. Here at home there are still 40%+ of Americans that refuse to roll their sleeves up and do what's right.

Great post in all ways.

[JustTK]

Fact: he did not say anything about USA! Why did you quote him and go on a rant saying what Americans do not owe anyone?

Haha, you beat me to it!! I too was wondering why he got his knickers in a twist about the USA there.

[JustTK]

That is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Like seriously, I have never read a more idiotic comment ever.
Fact- It is absolutely no ones fault in the USA that people from other countries are in poverty. The people of the USA owe nothing to anyone else on this planet. People in poverty from other nations by the millions, are illegally crossing into the USA and spreading a deadly virus.
Opinion- For a very long time, nations went to war for far less.

Hi Ram. Apologies, but you have lost me there bud. I don't see the relevance of what you wrote has to demonstrate that what I wrote is dumb. I assume that was what you were trying to do? (I don't agree with what you wrote, but that is beside the point).

[Mr Enternational]

Fact- It is absolutely no ones fault in the USA that people from other countries are in poverty. The people of the USA owe nothing to anyone else on this planet.

Fact: he did not say anything about USA! Why did you quote him and go on a rant saying what Americans do not owe anyone?

[Elvis 2008]

I try to stay out of arguments on this board because there's already too much acrimony in the world and this space is about our mongering hobby. But in this instance I'll jump in here for a sec. It's apparent you may only get your information from Fox News or worse, Newsmax.

And you are trying to lessen the acrimony with that statement? LOL.

No Covid vaccine is 100% effective and they have never been advertised as such.

No, you Democratic douche, they were advertised as being 95% effective in preventing the spread of Covid and turned out to be 0% effective. So now you try to apologize for Fauci, the drug companies, and Brandon with this bullshit line about "no Covid vaccine is 100% effective". Do you understand the difference between 95 and 0 douche?

What they all do effectively is drastically reduce the possibility of serious illness and death.

So that 95% reduction is thrown out, and the powers that be came up with that new benefit, and you just went along with it.

With death, you can throw those numbers out the fucking window. When the Italians got rid of comorbidities, they reduced the number of Covid deaths by 97%. Deaths can easily be manipulated by government to get the figures it wants.

Hospitalization cannot be as easily manipulated, and the numbers there are not what the government says. Different countries have different thresholds for admission but in Israel the unvaccinated had double the rate of hospitalization.

Okay, douche, here is your homework. What is the rate of hospitalization with Covid and the rate of side effects with the vaccines?

You see, I know three people who have had debilitating tinnitus after getting the vaccine so help me out.

Here at home there are still 40%+ of Americans that refuse to roll their sleeves up and do what's right.

Right huh? Are you going to do what is right and man up and pay $10,000 to anyone who follows your advice and has a side effect to the vaccine? NO then STFU Douche. No one wants to hear from someone who is a government dick sucking mouth piece.

Drug companies and government douches have immunity from lawsuits. If their advice was so fucking great, why do they need said immunity?

[The Cane]

That is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Like seriously, I have never read a more idiotic comment ever.

Well, keep reading this thread.

[RamDavidson84]

Then surely that begs the question. Why do we live in a world with 2 or 3 tier status. Where only people from tier 1 and 2 tier 2 can access a vax, whereas tier 3 must suffer what they must bcos the rich want to profit from property rights. Yet these policies come right back to bite tier 1 and 2 in the arse bcos these same less valuable people spread the virus back in ever more deadly forms.

If you think a little deeper, you can actually see this as a metaphor for poverty in general. Explot people and deny them freedom and opportunity, and they will come back and bite you in the arse. I just hope its a big and painful bite.

That is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Like seriously, I have never read a more idiotic comment ever. I don't want to start a fight TK, I am sure your a good guy at heart. I just can't understand how that could even be a logical thought in another persons mind.

Fact- It is absolutely no ones fault in the USA that people from other countries are in poverty. The people of the USA owe nothing to anyone else on this planet. People in poverty from other nations by the millions, are illegally crossing into the USA and spreading a deadly virus.

Opinion- For a very long time, nations went to war for far less.

[Villainy]

LOL what? First of all you got it backwards. Boomers. Right wing are the anti vaxxers.

Its been killing Colombians 129 k fatalities so far. 2. 5% may be insignificant to you but its still killing their elderly.

Lastly, stay out of Colombia if you you're an anti vaxer covidiot.

129 K deaths from CoVid in a population of 52 M is only 0. 25%. Just to be accurate, but all your points are exactly right. Colombians believe the science and are getting vaccinated at a very high rate, higher than many European countries. As of December 1st, 48.9% have have been fully vaccinated and 74.5% have had at least 1 vaccination.

So just like Maelstrom said. If you are an anti-vaxxer stay out of Colombia.

[TnJed]

I have 2 shots and a booster AND I still need a one day test to enter my country. So it's obvious Dumb and Dumb'er, (Brandon & Fauci) NEVER EVER believed in the Vaccine or they would not require fully vaccinated people to get this 24 hour test. It's not the few hundred people on a plane from Colombia, that's the problem, it's the half a MILLION people walking across the border, unvaxed, untested dispersed through the country, that is spreading the virus.

I try to stay out of arguments on this board because there's already too much acrimony in the world and this space is about our mongering hobby. But in this instance I'll jump in here for a sec. It's apparent you may only get your information from Fox News or worse, Newsmax. No Covid vaccine is 100% effective and they have never been advertised as such. What they all do effectively is drastically reduce the possibility of serious illness and death. You can be fully vaxxed with a booster and still become a breakthrough case. But feeling no symptoms, you can infect others, including kids under 5 who can't get the shot. By the way, South Africa is experiencing a unsettling uptick in cases of kids under 5 with the Omicron variant.

In regards to your right wing talking point about illegals spreading the virus, there are zero evidence that is happening. The only evidence that can truly be relied on is that this virus is still raging because there large numbers of people across the globe not vaccinated. The Southern Hemisphere needs to vaccinate 3 billion people still. Here at home there are still 40%+ of Americans that refuse to roll their sleeves up and do what's right.

[JustTK]

it's the half a MILLION people walking across the border, unvaxed, untested dispersed through the country, that is spreading the virus.

Then surely that begs the question. Why do we live in a world with 2 or 3 tier status. Where only people from tier 1 and 2 tier 2 can access a vax, whereas tier 3 must suffer what they must bcos the rich want to profit from property rights. Yet these policies come right back to bite tier 1 and 2 in the arse bcos these same less valuable people spread the virus back in ever more deadly forms.

If you think a little deeper, you can actually see this as a metaphor for poverty in general. Explot people and deny them freedom and opportunity, and they will come back and bite you in the arse. I just hope its a big and painful bite.