Stupid shit in Medellin

[Gabacho]

I replied to your post in the other section showing proof of the handouts including the Roosevelt Hotel in NYC and Texas paying for plane tickets.

It's not non existent. Plus I know several more than several really Venezuelans who have told me of the hand outs they've gotten upon arrival to the US including the hotels and free cell phones.

So believe what you want to, you talk alot but you show no sources to back up your claims. I actually showed some news articles backing up what I was saying if you go look at the other post in the general info section.

Apparently the moderators are deleting my posts again bcuz the other post in the general section with the links never showed up.

Free hotels and housing:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/15/n...hotel-aoc.html

Free flights:

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12...abbott-busing/#text=Texas%20 flew%20 out%20 over%20120,according%20 to%20 the%20 governor's%20 office.

Prepaid debit cards:

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/pol...ld-happen-soon

So as you can see, these handouts are not non-existent as you claimed they were. Also whether they are provided by the federal government, state government, local government or private charities is irrelevant, I never said who gave them these handouts, I said they illegal enter the US and then they get handouts.

So are you going to say these articles are lying?

[Gabacho]

For more on the handouts see my post in the general thread.

Separating children from their parents is a moral abomination. Not only is it torture for the parents, it causes irreparable damage to the children and exposes them to all types of risks. Children are placed in a situation where they can be abused by almost anyone with very little risk of reprisal. It was a system without accountability. If the US government started separating parents from their children if the parents were suspected of committing tax evasion or other administrative crimes you would be screaming about the injustice. Are Venezuelans, Colombians, Salvadorans, etc less than human?

Of course the real issue with those policies was the cost. The US government detaining people for weeks and months at costs up to $750 per day, per person, in conditions which cost only a few dollars per day is a much greater cost than the non-existent handouts which you believe exist. It would have been much cheaper to put the whole family up in a Motel 6, and a week in a Motel 6 would be just as effective as a deterrent.

Entering another country and requesting asylum is not a crime. It's not something that can be deterred, except by improving the conditions in the other countries. When a parent is faced with the very real possibility their children will be murdered, or worse, they will run to the only chance of safety, the only source of hope. Anyone who has spent sufficient time in Colombia should be well aware of the risks faced by the people every day. If you know any Colombians you almost certainly know a Colombian who has been robbed at knife point or gunpoint. If you know enough you know people who have lost children or siblings to the violence. The forums are full of posts warning about the dangers to gringos, but they are miniscule compared to what the typical Colombian faces every day.

I support no politicians. In an election between almost anyone and Trump my vote will go against Trump. His presidency was a disaster. Growth of the national debt dwarfed any period in the past. The response to Covid was an absolute shitshow. Our reputation with our allies was weakened. The leaders of our closest allies were literally laughing at the incompetence. I understand you feel differently, and that is your right. Faced with the choice between eating liver, which I can't stand, and shit, give me the liver.

However, questions of morality, are not answered by which political party a person supports. Responding with "you must be a (fill in the blank)" shows an inability to support the position you've taken.

Oh and one more thing Flying JJ.

You must be a Biden Supporter / AOC / Pelosi Supporter huh?

You probably want to see a president kamala harris don't you?

[Gabacho]

For more on the handouts see my post in the general thread.

Separating children from their parents is a moral abomination. Not only is it torture for the parents, it causes irreparable damage to the children and exposes them to all types of risks. Children are placed in a situation where they can be abused by almost anyone with very little risk of reprisal. It was a system without accountability. If the US government started separating parents from their children if the parents were suspected of committing tax evasion or other administrative crimes you would be screaming about the injustice. Are Venezuelans, Colombians, Salvadorans, etc less than human?

Of course the real issue with those policies was the cost. The US government detaining people for weeks and months at costs up to $750 per day, per person, in conditions which cost only a few dollars per day is a much greater cost than the non-existent handouts which you believe exist. It would have been much cheaper to put the whole family up in a Motel 6, and a week in a Motel 6 would be just as effective as a deterrent.

Entering another country and requesting asylum is not a crime. It's not something that can be deterred, except by improving the conditions in the other countries. When a parent is faced with the very real possibility their children will be murdered, or worse, they will run to the only chance of safety, the only source of hope. Anyone who has spent sufficient time in Colombia should be well aware of the risks faced by the people every day. If you know any Colombians you almost certainly know a Colombian who has been robbed at knife point or gunpoint. If you know enough you know people who have lost children or siblings to the violence. The forums are full of posts warning about the dangers to gringos, but they are miniscule compared to what the typical Colombian faces every day.

I support no politicians. In an election between almost anyone and Trump my vote will go against Trump. His presidency was a disaster. Growth of the national debt dwarfed any period in the past. The response to Covid was an absolute shitshow. Our reputation with our allies was weakened. The leaders of our closest allies were literally laughing at the incompetence. I understand you feel differently, and that is your right. Faced with the choice between eating liver, which I can't stand, and shit, give me the liver.

However, questions of morality, are not answered by which political party a person supports. Responding with "you must be a (fill in the blank)" shows an inability to support the position you've taken.

I replied to your post in the other section showing proof of the handouts including the Roosevelt Hotel in NYC and Texas paying for plane tickets.

It's not non existent. Plus I know several more than several really Venezuelans who have told me of the hand outs they've gotten upon arrival to the US including the hotels and free cell phones.

So believe what you want to, you talk alot but you show no sources to back up your claims. I actually showed some news articles backing up what I was saying if you go look at the other post in the general info section.

[JjBee62]

Not quite sure what this guy was getting at. The reason to arrest illegal Venezuelan immigrants entering the US would not to be to ask the Venezuelan government for anything. It would be to deter more from coming.

Obviously if we keep letting them all in and giving them handouts and hotel rooms then more will keep coming. You start locking them up and separating them from their children like how Trump used to do in the past with illegal immigrants then you send a message that will deter more from coming.

For more on the handouts see my post in the general thread.

Separating children from their parents is a moral abomination. Not only is it torture for the parents, it causes irreparable damage to the children and exposes them to all types of risks. Children are placed in a situation where they can be abused by almost anyone with very little risk of reprisal. It was a system without accountability. If the US government started separating parents from their children if the parents were suspected of committing tax evasion or other administrative crimes you would be screaming about the injustice. Are Venezuelans, Colombians, Salvadorans, etc less than human?

Of course the real issue with those policies was the cost. The US government detaining people for weeks and months at costs up to $750 per day, per person, in conditions which cost only a few dollars per day is a much greater cost than the non-existent handouts which you believe exist. It would have been much cheaper to put the whole family up in a Motel 6, and a week in a Motel 6 would be just as effective as a deterrent.

Entering another country and requesting asylum is not a crime. It's not something that can be deterred, except by improving the conditions in the other countries. When a parent is faced with the very real possibility their children will be murdered, or worse, they will run to the only chance of safety, the only source of hope. Anyone who has spent sufficient time in Colombia should be well aware of the risks faced by the people every day. If you know any Colombians you almost certainly know a Colombian who has been robbed at knife point or gunpoint. If you know enough you know people who have lost children or siblings to the violence. The forums are full of posts warning about the dangers to gringos, but they are miniscule compared to what the typical Colombian faces every day.

I support no politicians. In an election between almost anyone and Trump my vote will go against Trump. His presidency was a disaster. Growth of the national debt dwarfed any period in the past. The response to Covid was an absolute shitshow. Our reputation with our allies was weakened. The leaders of our closest allies were literally laughing at the incompetence. I understand you feel differently, and that is your right. Faced with the choice between eating liver, which I can't stand, and shit, give me the liver.

However, questions of morality, are not answered by which political party a person supports. Responding with "you must be a (fill in the blank)" shows an inability to support the position you've taken.

[Gabacho]

Cutting people's hands off for jaywalking would be highly effective too.

Let me guess Biden Supporter?

[Flawless Zeal]

You start locking them up and separating them from their children like how Trump used to do in the past with illegal immigrants then you send a message that will deter more from coming.

Cutting people's hands off for jaywalking would be highly effective too.

[Gabacho]

Oh yeah! That makes a lot of sense. The poor immigrants that cross into the USA the Venezuelan government is going to care about? WTF?

Not quite sure what this guy was getting at. The reason to arrest illegal Venezuelan immigrants entering the US would not to be to ask the Venezuelan government for anything. It would be to deter more from coming.

Obviously if we keep letting them all in and giving them handouts and hotel rooms then more will keep coming. You start locking them up and separating them from their children like how Trump used to do in the past with illegal immigrants then you send a message that will deter more from coming.

[Bill]

Get a room already lovebirds! Lololol!

[Elvis 2008]

Needed you for what? To blow up some damn balloons for a party since you are so full of hot air? That must be a pretty sad broad for needing a mf to come from another country to blow up some balloons. You mean NOBODY that she knows in Colombia could handle the task? Not father, brother, uncle, cousin, aunt, mother, nor friend? Sad group her circle is. Unless she was just trying to boost your ego. Don't the dunnnn. This is a job for ELLLLLVIIISSSS.

If blowing up balloons were an issue, I would pay for some service to take care of that versus flying down. You are making up the balloon thing just like you are making up having a GF.

Meanwhile my ex-girlfriend did not even get to go to her daughter's party because they would not let her off work.

And you are off spending $900 a night in hotels, paying to fuck hookers, and flying all over the damned place spending money while your supposed GF is slaving away at work trying to make a buck and missing her daughter's birthday.

The party went just fine and life kept going on without having to call in a "hero" to come from a whole other country. Besides that, the kid's ACTUAL DAD traveled from Cartagena to Bogota to make sure everything went well.

And you are nowhere to be found. It is pretty pathetic that you do not know how to stop being a john.

[Mr Enternational]

My gal's daughter was due to have her Quincera, and my gal was a mess so much so that she had a stress related rash. She has invited a lifelong friend of hers and her daughter to come down and stay with her. Knowing my gal needed me, I looked over my schedule and I saw I could make time to see her. It is two days of traveling for just two days there, but I tell her I am coming, and she is thankful I can.

Needed you for what? To blow up some damn balloons for a party since you are so full of hot air? That must be a pretty sad broad for needing a mf to come from another country to blow up some balloons. You mean NOBODY that she knows in Colombia could handle the task? Not father, brother, uncle, cousin, aunt, mother, nor friend? Sad group her circle is. Unless she was just trying to boost your ego. Don't the dunnnn. This is a job for ELLLLLVIIISSSS.

Meanwhile my ex-girlfriend did not even get to go to her daughter's party because they would not let her off work. The party went just fine and life kept going on without having to call in a "hero" to come from a whole other country. Besides that, the kid's ACTUAL DAD traveled from Cartagena to Bogota to make sure everything went well.

[Elvis 2008]

On the basis of what? An age difference? He has already admitted that he does not give her money like that. Meanwhile another board member, Elvis, says there is a big age difference between him and his girl AND he pays all her bills. Yet he is touted for having an actual relationship instead of being a sugar daddy, because "when a man loves a woman he will support her".

When I was coming back for Colombia this last time, a guy was talking to his woman. He was a frantic mess talking to her about their relationship. 90% of communication is nonverbal and just from the tone of his voice and body movements, I could tell his relationship was in trouble. When a relationship is solid and real most people can see it.

My gal's daughter was due to have her Quincera, and my gal was a mess so much so that she had a stress related rash. She has invited a lifelong friend of hers and her daughter to come down and stay with her. Knowing my gal needed me, I looked over my schedule and I saw I could make time to see her. It is two days of traveling for just two days there, but I tell her I am coming, and she is thankful I can.

This friend has known my gal forever and she can tell in a second if we were real or not. I meet her friend and she tells me that she cannot believe how happy her friend was when she knew I was coming. Within a day, my gal's rash is gone. The friend's daughter takes to me. We start playing. When I leave, the friend's daughter gives me a huge hug. A mother is not going to let her daughter get close to some stranger, but the friend knows that I am now attached to her lifelong friend. I am going to be a part of their lives from here on out.

Not only can't you and JJBee get the friends of your "girlfriends" to believe in your relationship, you cannot get your fellow mongers to. And spare me with the lies the friends and family are buying in.

Men have this tendency to think they can handle things and so they think, "Oh, I can stay in a committed relationship and stay monogamous for life", and they do not get what a huge commitment that is. And women like to believe that fantasy too but talk to them long enough and they will admit that they know how men are.

Having a good sex life was so important to my happiness I did not care if I fit within society's conventions or engaged in illegal activity to satisfy my sexual needs. I kept running into women that would put out for 3 months to reel me in and then it was not a priority. I thought it was me but it was not. It was most women, but there were a very few women that like sex as much as men did and I observed that the guys with those women did not cheat.

JJBee is like my woman washes every dish. You can pay for that and for looks and for people to kiss your ass. Of all the things about my gal, it is her true burning desire for me that is the most valuable because it is the one thing you cannot buy. She will grab my dick and say, "That is my happiness. " Three years in, and she still loves sex and even more than I do. And the surest way to fuck that up and put an end to that burning desire is to go out and bang a bunch of other women.

So now you can get together and launch your insults and display your insecurities. The only reason you two losers brought up having a GF was out of envy. Thing is I know why you are really cheating on your GFs. It is the same reason I cheated on my wife. My sex life at home sucked and if my sex life was critical to my happiness, I was risking nothing by seeing other women.

You dummies are literally advertising the sex lives with your GFs are nothing special, and the real reason that you are fucking around on them is because you have nothing to lose.

[JjBee62]

You forgot to mention that you had been fucking hoes during those 2 years of playing a white knight role. Also, she was probably not of legal age when you first met her.

What you described looks like a sugar daddy. Sugar baby relationship, not a real BF. GF relationship.

I didn't mention it because it was not pertinent to my response. And I didn't play any role. I did what billions of men, throughout history have done when they were interested in women. I talked to her. I also didn't mention that I was talking with at least a dozen other girls at the same time, just normal girls, stuck on quarantine and bored. If you can carry a conversation that's more interesting than unbuttered toast, you can do the exact same thing. Bonus points if you can make jokes in Spanish.

There is no legal age to have a conversation with a girl. I had many conversations while she was still 17. We did not meet until 1 month after she turned 18. There's also no legal age to meet a girl.

Really? You haven't seen it, haven't seen me, haven't seen her but it "looks like a sugar daddy, sugar baby relationship?" In what way? Maybe I misunderstand what a SB / SD relationship is. I'll describe what I think it is and then you can compare.

A SB / SD relationship is where the girl is looking for financial support, in exchange for companionship, usually involving sex. Typically the girl lives in her own place and is visited by the guy who pays the bills. Frequently, the financial arrangements are discussed at first meeting and are clearly spelled out.

No financial arrangements were, or have ever been discussed. The first time we met she volunteered to pick me up at the airport. I was not asked to pay for gas or the toll. The next night I invited her and her sister to dinner. We continued to talk for months, no discussion of money. We went out, usually with her friends and her sister, did some sightseeing, normal friendly stuff. She drove, never asked for gas money. When her grandmother went for knee replacement surgery, no mention of money, although I was asked if I would pick her up at the hospital.

As I stated, when I had a reason, I sent her money. I spent money on her and with her. When we go places I'll buy her a souvenir. Of course now the situation has changed. For the past 4 months I haven't bought groceries or gas, I haven't cooked, cleaned or done laundry, and I'm eating at home every day. I haven't even been allowed to wash a single dish.

So let's compare. At this time she receives no money from me. She works and spends her money to buy gas and groceries. If that looks like a SB / SD relationship to you, you need to visit an optometrist.

[Mr Enternational]

You forgot to mention that you had been fucking hoes during those 2 years of playing a white knight role.

How is having a girlfriend playing a white knight role? So the queen of Thailand is not really in a relationship with the king because the king has a concubine? Fucking hoes has nothing to do with being in a relationship.

Also, she was probably not of legal age when you first met her.

What the fuck all does that have to do with anything? If she was of legal age when he first had sexual relations with her is what legally matters.

What you described looks like a sugar daddy. Sugar baby relationship, not a real BF. GF relationship.

On the basis of what? An age difference? He has already admitted that he does not give her money like that. Meanwhile another board member, Elvis, says there is a big age difference between him and his girl AND he pays all her bills. Yet he is touted for having an actual relationship instead of being a sugar daddy, because "when a man loves a woman he will support her".

You guys do the same shit when it comes to labeling hookers. Oh the girl I was with is not an actual hooker because she only fucks for money on Wednesdays or because she has a normal job too, or because she is in school, or because she only needs milk money for the baby. Internet mfs always picking and choosing when and how they want a word to be defined. Open up the dictionary and definitions are already there. You do not get to tailor it how you see fit on the occasions that you feel like it. That is how dudes get to call themselves women and everybody else has to play along with the delusion knowing the person is not an actual woman.

[MiamiBoy1]

I'm too lazy to break it all down and most of it doesn't pertain to me. However, I have a question.

You're often pointing out the logical fallacies of others. Why don't you either point out your own logical fallacies, or stop relying on them for most of your argument?

The ad hominen fallacies are rampant, but that's not your most egregious abuse. What's the logical fallacy when your entire argument is based upon personal, biased beliefs without any evidence whatsoever?

Here's an example:

First, I've stated multiple times that I have sent her money at times, when I had a good reason. I've also spent a lot of money on her, which is no different than if I was dating someone in my own age group, locally. When I wanted to take her scuba diving, I sent her money to get certified. There have been several times when I've sent money, although I haven't sent any money for over 6 months. As I've stated before it would make no sense to send her money at this time. Sending money requires a fee, and then the money would be where she isn't. What I've never done is get involved in regular monthly payments.

But the meat of the matter is that you believe it's impossible to date a girl 40 years younger, except as some variation on prostitution. That's your whole argument, you don't believe.

I'll spell it out again, step by step, how to get a girlfriend. This works wherever you are and works with younger and older women.

1. Find a girl who interests you, preferably one who is in no way involved in prostitution.

2. Talk to her. Talk about normal things, make her laugh, make sure she enjoys conversing with you. Get her interested in you as a person.

3. Take your time. Flirt, but lightly, don't push the conversation to sex. I spent 2 months chatting with her before sex became a topic and she's the one who brought it up. It took another year before there was any type of sexual contact and 2 years before we ended up in her bed.

4. Spend wisely. If she's throwing out prices for her attention, you're not getting a girlfriend, you're getting an ambitious hooker.

5. Show her the world that she's dreamed about.

6. Go back to step 2 and repeat all of the above.

You forgot to mention that you had been fucking hoes during those 2 years of playing a white knight role. Also, she was probably not of legal age when you first met her.

What you described looks like a sugar daddy. Sugar baby relationship, not a real BF. GF relationship.

[Paulie97]

I'm too lazy to break it all down and most of it doesn't pertain to me. However, I have a question. You're often pointing out the logical fallacies of others. Why don't you either point out your own logical fallacies, or stop relying on them for most of your argument? The ad hominen fallacies are rampant,

You complain about logical fallacies and commit one in the process, false equivalence. Reminds me of V and his spelling errors while playing spelling police.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...se-Equivalence

V put words in my mouth, and when called out for it put more in my mouth. I directed him to link me to the ISG posts where I made such statements about myself, and he told me to prove matters to the contrary while playing spelling police. That has no affinity to a mudslinging contest (ad hominems) on a thread where that's normative. You've played that game more and for longer than anyone else. That's why I call it your thread. Wink Therefore we can add hypocrisy to your missteps.

but that's not your most egregious abuse. What's the logical fallacy when your entire argument is based upon personal, biased beliefs without any evidence whatsoever?...
First, I've stated multiple times that I have sent her money at times, when I had a good reason. I've also spent a lot of money on her, which is no different than if I was dating someone in my own age group, locally. When I wanted to take her scuba diving, I sent her money to get certified. There have been several times when I've sent money, although I haven't sent any money for over 6 months. As I've stated before it would make no sense to send her money at this time. Sending money requires a fee, and then the money would be where she isn't. What I've never done is get involved in regular monthly payments.

I've yet to see any evidence that this "girlfriend" even exists, while definitions of that word are fluid. Your personal stories don't count. They can't be verified, while you have motive to shade the truth as you have since last summer been trying to get the better of various disputes surrounding this subject. This while, in case you are wondering, I have no obligation to prove you don't have a young Colombian girlfriend. That's quite different logically than my asking someone to prove I made certain statements in the past. I either made those statements here or I didn't. If the statements exist, then proof is possible via research, but of course they don't. I can though have some educated opinions about your girlfriend subject.

Your typical geriatric male / very young female relationship involves money, and you admit that you are sending it, though with a 6 month break. I believe this is a modified or clarified position of what was an original claim that you aren't sending money, but I'm not sure. I don't read every word of your posts, while I skip many altogether, as many are very wordy. I'm not going back to read your entire 6 month flame war with MiamiBoy1. But if the "girlfriend" exists, I'd bet you've met a need many times within the last six months. Or maybe you've really quit sending money for that long and only think you still have a girlfriend. No one knows for sure, nor can they, as we are reliant entirely on an unreliable person, you, for information. But I have some opinions based on common patterns in overseas relationships with huge age gaps. And I'd even call the 6 month gap no send money claim "far-fetched" as well, if you have a "girlfriend" that still considers herself the same.

Regardless you still get to be the center of attention here, which I believe it's all ultimately about anyway. You've once again had the opportunity to brag about having a young girlfriend that loves you just for you, and not for money, but because you are such a prince of a guy, all while you brag about banging other girls including hookers behind her back. That's just more of the same grandiosity that you want all in a hooker forum to be aware of. But to your credit, you're willing to listen to the same self-aggrandizing nonsense from others judging by the company you keep, though that's mostly a trade off.

But the meat of the matter is that you believe it's impossible to date a girl 40 years younger, except as some variation on prostitution.

You've said before that FB is your go to method for finding girls in Medellin. That for members of this forum is typically a prostitution scene. You've often given advice about how to handle prostitutes in your hotel room. Was your purported girlfriend ever a prostitute? You can say no but that means very little. It can't be verfied. It would be very difficult to prove either way. I personally wouldn't believe anything you say beyond what I've personally observed.

I believe it's possible for a 20 year old woman to hook up with a man in his 60's who isn't providing financial assistance, as about anything is "possible" when it comes to human relations. Though it would be quite rare, and isn't the case with you.

I'm back to leaving you alone as promised. Admittedly I drew you back in when I dropped your name.