Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[Member #4753]

That is consistent with rumors, but have you seen it printed by a trustworthy source?

That is my #1 concern with the whole entry system. One person tests positive and about 45 people get locked up.

They definitely used to do this when entering the Phuket sandbox. There was a well german lady that appeared on various news outlets that this happened to. She appeared on the Thaiger as a video interview while in her isolation hotel.

However, I don't believe they still do this since dropping the quarantine requirement.

[HorseTrader]

….current rules are to detain and isolate everyone seated within 2 rows ahead and behind anyone that tests positive. …

That is consistent with rumors, but have you seen it printed by a trustworthy source?

That is my #1 concern with the whole entry system. One person tests positive and about 45 people get locked up.

[Explorer8939]

Total crap.

Since this the Covid rants topic, what part of the opinion you responded to is crap?

[TConor]

In other words, if you have had two shots of Moderna, it is equivalent to six shots of Pfizer. It is also not surprising that people have more side effects from Moderna. But personally I would rather have side effects than covid.

Total crap.

[Crocodilexp]

Is there a reason to think this Covid insurance we have to take out to get entry clearance into Thailand won't cover us if we actually need it?

For entry, you're only required to have insurance covering Covid with symptoms.

Plenty of policies do not include "asymptomatic Covid", you have to pay more to cover that. Even if they cover it, current rules are to detain and isolate everyone seated within 2 rows ahead and behind anyone that tests positive. I'm fairly sure it doesn't fall under "asymptomatic", but presumably you could pay even more for that coverage.

Last, but not least, even if something is nominally covered, it might be an uphill battle to get the insurer to pay out the claim.

[PedroMorales]

In other words, if you have had two shots of Moderna, it is equivalent to six shots of Pfizer. It is also not surprising that people have more side effects from Moderna. But personally I would rather have side effects than covid.

I thought you were speaking of whiskeywhisky. Would it not depend on what those side effects were? I had Covid last August and have done some heavy duty physical stuff since. Not Boot Camp but enough to impress people 1/3 my age. I don't want side effects. I am preparing for the issues that lie ahead as New Nazis tighten the noose.

[Cucumber]

The studies that you refer to were published in the The Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine. The general conclusion was that Pfizer's efficacy reduced from 90% to 50% after 6 months against infection, but still at 90% protection against serious desease. Moderna's efficacy was at about 70% after 6 months. Althought both mRna vaccines are very similar, Pfizer uses about 30 units of the active component while Moderna uses 100 units. So it stands to reason that because Moderna uses 3 times the dose it will wane slower.

In other words, if you have had two shots of Moderna, it is equivalent to six shots of Pfizer. It is also not surprising that people have more side effects from Moderna. But personally I would rather have side effects than covid.

[Explorer8939]

Bars will open nationwide on January 16, assuming no disasters before then. There will be some restrictions. Some will be followed, others will be ignored.

The one night quarantine for vaccinated arrivals will end on December 15. There will be an ATK test on arrival, rather than a PCR test.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

CIMGuy, don't let the losers bother you, go ahead and post.

Thailand Pass, I successfully completed my application and am waiting for my QR code. If you have problems with your app, let me know, maybe I can help.

Having met and shared a drink and active discussion on punting targets with CIMguy I'm pretty well qualified to speak on him. For a stranger he's not a bad guy, as likely I was to him. We discussed our "grand game" and how to play it, and he was no naive novice. He has a plan and knew how to execute it. Sometimes it worked.

Sometimes it didn't. I know he still wishes he did different on night and took Earn's sister when he had the chance. Alas he didn't, and the chance didn't return. Whereas I know if she was 50% or more akin to Earn he would have enjoyed it more!

Keep punting (CIMguy) mate.

[TourduMonde]

I read a guy who tested positive is now in hospital for at least 10 days. He is asymptomatic. "Kirovs estimates he may have to pay 350,000 Baht towards hospital and quarantine fees if his insurance provider won't cover it. " The gamble one has to take going to Thailand right now.

Is there a reason to think this Covid insurance we have to take out to get entry clearance into Thailand won't cover us if we actually need it?

[HorseTrader]

The studies that you refer to were published in the The Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine. The general conclusion was that Pfizer's efficacy reduced from 90% to 50% after 6 months against infection, but still at 90% protection against serious desease. Moderna's efficacy was at about 70% after 6 months. Althought both mRna vaccines are very similar, Pfizer uses about 30 units of the active component while Moderna uses 100 units. So it stands to reason that because Moderna uses 3 times the dose it will wane slower.

I read a lot of stuff and then cannot remember the source, which can be a problem in a world full of fake information. Thanks for that good comment.

[Member #4753]

This is a reply from the Bangkok thread.

Yes, the concepts you describe are valid, but the time frame is not universally agreed. There was a USA study that shows about 50% of initial protection after 6 months, but there is a British study that shows very little loss of protection after 6 months. Sorry that I can't find the link to the reference, this is something I read about a week ago. Both studies were for mRNA vaccines, one addressed only Pfizer while the other addressed both Pfizer and Moderna, I can't remember which is which.

This is another decision point for those who trust vaccines and those who don't.

The studies that you refer to were published in the The Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine. The general conclusion was that Pfizer's efficacy reduced from 90% to 50% after 6 months against infection, but still at 90% protection against serious desease. Moderna's efficacy was at about 70% after 6 months. Althought both mRna vaccines are very similar, Pfizer uses about 30 units of the active component while Moderna uses 100 units. So it stands to reason that because Moderna uses 3 times the dose it will wane slower.

[HorseTrader]

The level of antibodies and therefore protection from serious illness seemingly does decline round about 6 months after initial full vaccination, hence the importance of the booster. Whether you are also more likely to become infected and more likely to transmit as far as I can tell is still not fully understood but true or not it's a common belief in Thailand that Sinovac loses on both scores within 6 months.

This is a reply from the Bangkok thread.

Yes, the concepts you describe are valid, but the time frame is not universally agreed. There was a USA study that shows about 50% of initial protection after 6 months, but there is a British study that shows very little loss of protection after 6 months. Sorry that I can't find the link to the reference, this is something I read about a week ago. Both studies were for mRNA vaccines, one addressed only Pfizer while the other addressed both Pfizer and Moderna, I can't remember which was which.

To boost or not to boost is another decision point for those who trust vaccines and those who don't.

[Banana Boi]

I read a guy who tested positive is now in hospital for at least 10 days. He is asymptomatic. "Kirovs estimates he may have to pay 350,000 Baht towards hospital and quarantine fees if his insurance provider won't cover it. " The gamble one has to take going to Thailand right now.

[Member #4753]

Any idea on what makes the difference. If arriving from UK is it 30 or 45 ?

I believe when 14 day quarantine was in place they would add 15 days to your normal 30 days stay. So your stay on arrival was 45 days. 15 days being the actual time of quarantine as the first day did not count.

Now that quarantine is no longer required they should revert back to 30 days on arrival.

Having said that, it is a little messy right now to what is exactly happening and when the dust settles it will be much clearer.