Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[Goatscrot]

Syzygies, pardon me for the unsolicited response here. I still hold you in high esteem as you make significant meaningful contributions to this board. Like the post yesterday about massage shops was illuminating.

I have replicated your entire post here because every single point here point in one direction only IMHO.

RESISTANCE TO CHANGE. You talk about an experience 25 to 27 years ago. It is simply unrealistic to expect that today. Isn't it? Let us be objective and fair here.

There are reports from plenty of elderly farangs on these threads who are visiting LOS today and are having a great time. Natty Bumpo is a star example. No one will debate here about Natty having a ball here every time he visits. Why is that? Because he has embraced the change and he plays the game the girls like to play. FL Hawk reported yesterday about his Day 1 in Pattaya. In his own words he had a great time at the clubs, but the takeaway did not work as planned (and that can happen to anyone). I could pick another dozen examples. FWIW I have been travelling to LOS since 1999. Have not missed a single year. And I still have a great time when I am on ground.

And in stark contrast we have a few people (I never ever thought you would be one of them, ever!) who continue to be dour and never miss an opportunity to complain about how terrible things have become compared to 20 years ago. Sure, its their life, and they are free to think and do as they please. Except that, such an attitude is not helping them get laid as much as they would like. Because a man who gets sex does not complain.

Sure, there are other factors like being a resident vs being a tourist. That is a huge factor IMHO.

So, my mantra is EMBRACE THE CHANGE. And I do believe results will follow. Peace out.

You are correct; a visitor and a resident are different, no matter how many times the visitor has come. It is a completely different agenda, set of standards, and set of expectations. Natty comes here from the sex starved US and goes wild for a couple of weeks. I would imagine that I would have an attitude more like his if I was a visitor. But I'm not; I live here. And when I moved here there were many aspects of the scene that were directed at farang expats because there were a lot of us here. At least half of the dudes I would meet in Cowboy especially were expats working of retired here. Yes, there are some foreign expats here now, but far fewer than there were 20 years ago and the new younger expat farang is far less likely to monger. So in turn the market does not cater to them. It caters to tourists pretty much exclusively. Back in the "day" if a bar did not take care of residents it would struggle during low season, which was really low in BKK. That is not the case anymore. FFS, there are farang couples who walk down Cowboy to have a drink and gawk.That would have been unthinkable. Seeing a Western woman in Cowboy in the late 90s was about as likely as seeing an iceberg in the Gulf of Thailand.
And for that matter, not all change is good. Personally as a long term resident I agree with Syz, there have been no positive changes in the Thailand P4 P scene in the last 10 years. So some questions: are there more gals about? are they giving better service? do they have better attitudes? what's their price? is it the same or less work to get them? I'll answer, the gals are bigger, less attractive, there are fewer of them, it's far more expensive, it is more work to find a good one, and overall the service level is a bit less.
Add in an extremely friendly cost of living in Thailand and you had one amazing place to live. All of this combined is why many of us moved here. Did we expect it not to change? Of course not. We were not daft. All of us knew it would change. However, we come from Western nations where the pace of change is far slower than that of a developing nation, and so did not expect such radical shifts in the things we so loved about the place in such a short period of time. Bangkok has changed more in the last 10 years than my home state in the US has in 30.
In addition, the longer one lives here, the more one's eyes change. My friend's wife once said, "when farangs first come to Thailand, their eyes don't work. " Then one day you are out and about and that Isaan look just doesn't do it for you any more. And the surgery to change that look is just as bad. You find yourself attracted to white skinned BKK gals you see in malls and in offices, and Chinese tourist gals with short shorts and slutty attitudes, then when you go have a look at the oilies, the GoGos, or the FLs you see these gals who are way too dark and many way to fat. Then you see 141 gals in HK for 1600 Baht who just blow the doors off the Thais and think WTF?
I could have sex every day here if I wanted, and if the scene was 50% of what is was 10 years ago, I probably would be an almost every day type of guy, even though I am in my 50s.

[Goatscrot]

Funny thing. You mentioned Tijuana. I'm in Tijuana now. I'm from Hong Kong, ran into Lew Ashby at Hong Club, met a Mexican blonde haired dancer by the name of Tokyo at Hong Kong. The very next day Lew goes to Tokyo, I follow on 12th to Tokyo, we all meet again in Pattaya after that. $100 bucks plus the room for 30 minutes of so so service sucks in Tijuana.

How's your Spanish? Certainly makes a difference when playing in Tijuana.

[Nyezhov]

Embrace the Change:

I'm 64, fat and silly. To me short time is 3. 5 minutes and I don't want anyone, not even my 24 year old US girlfriend in my bed all night (although she really leaves me know choice and I will be stuck with that in the summers). I find only a certain type of girl attractive and I have found as many as I want. I have over 100 Line girls now, of which 20 I can call and schtupp. I have forgotten more about GoGos and strip clubs that some folks will ever know and have only been to 2 or three here this trip, once or twice a month. I go to Thermae for the freak show, I know I can pull anyone I want out of there as long as I am willing to pay for my 3. 5 minutes of fun. If I go to an MP, its for a massage. If I want a Fishbowl, Ill go upcountry and get one fresh in KK or Khorat. The only thing I really want right now is a real Russian, but I will take any Euro girl and may have to go to Khao San and use my charm.

My interests in Thailand have broadened over the past several years and it has more to offer me than just poontang. You young guys can fight with the Asians and Indians and worry about it, me, I'm content.

[Syzygies]

Syzygies, pardon me for the unsolicited response here. I still hold you in high esteem as you make significant meaningful contributions to this board. Like the post yesterday about massage shops was illuminating.

I have replicated your entire post here because every single point here point in one direction only IMHO.

RESISTANCE TO CHANGE. You talk about an experience 25 to 27 years ago. It is simply unrealistic to expect that today. Isn't it? Let us be objective and fair here.

For sure I have pointed out my own resistance to change.

I wanted the girls to have something the attitude they used have.

I wanted to get a relaxed GFE from the girl, or the attitude to have fun, rather than be tense and scared.

I wanted them to look like the same Thais they were 20 years ago, instead of the semi westernised look, with freaky noses. If you don't get the good attitude, a hooker is worthless.

I gave up hookers in home country years ago, because only 1 in 10 chance of a good time. I it gets that poor here, I would have to give up.

I always pretty much accepted the change in the prices, as that is critical. Others were less accepting of that. I always accepted pretty much which services the girls wants to provide, within limits. I don't get very excited by a girl that does not allw kissing, no DATY, no touching her pussy, and gives a crappy BJ as well. Then uses stiff straight legs to avoid penetration. How is one supposed to maintain a raging hard cock for that? LOL I resist accepting that I have to take girls away from the top of the looks pool.

Natty Bumpo and I are largely attracted to very similar girls. I like a large percentage of his girls. However they may not all like me, for one reason or another. Some did. We even had same regular girl in common by coincidence in the past, both at a bar and at an MP. To get as good as he does, is costing more than I might want to pay. E. g. Top Shelf girls at La Belle.

Natty is a bit more flexible about looks, but not a huge difference. I don't see him take any girls that are not very good looking. He has a lot more time available for the hobby research. LOL I don't hear about many failures for Natty, so is he fucking lucky, or girls take to his boisterous personality and perform better?

I noticed recently I could do a semi-starfish type girl okay Since she was at least cooperative rather than obstructive, and body very hot. Maybe some guys would not notice something was wrong. Maybe the girl would be more responsive with a younger more handsome guy.

So yes accept the high prices, fish for girls in cheaper categories, like Oilies and street walkers. Clearly we are all too stubborn to change, and say we don't want a GFE anymore. Also I am not going to change and say I want to try new girls instead of take my reliable regulars. All I can do is choose more carefully girls likely to like me, or showing the right signs of being interested. Be prepared to waste more money on so so girls. Take a mongering break for a few months to come back super hot for it.

We observe all the change, but we can't always like it. We can move on and find happier hunting grounds. Many guys moved to Cambodia years ago, or Laos. Probably was over simplification to assume was purely due to not having enough money.

If I was 20 years younger, I would be finding a higher percentage of the Thai girls are attractive, less fussy about the looks. The saying goes in Thailand that Farangs and Indians will take the girls no one else wants. Yet clearly Japanese have broader taste than me. They are liking a much higher percentage of the girls in Crazy House. They like girls I find very beautiful, they like very beautiful lady boys, they like weird looking high surgeries girls too. They don't take the darker skinned girls so much. Indians often take girls that are too over weight for me. Thai men seem to like girls not too slim, more voluptuous girls that look Chinese rather than Thai. I observed many Thais choosing in Soapies quite differently to myself. Who takes all the thick girls in MPs? It is not going to be me to suddenly start liking them.

I have a good diet, and weight reduced, but I cannot change my own decline. Maybe pay for skin improvement clinic, teeth veneers, dye my hair, get more fitness exercise. When I first came to Thailand I was taking girls 10 to 15 years younger. Do I still do that and take girls 45 to 50 YOs? No. They are generally not in good enough condition. GF reaches 39. Her body has finally started to decline from weight gain. She appears to be contented and letting it go now. Previously was very a hot body. Can I accept the change totally?

[Blanquiceleste]

There are still Farangs well pleased, but some of us notice the decline.

I look at Girls sitting outside Dozo massage. Definitely average standard of look is superior. Some over weight yes and not my taste. However some look reasonably good. Saw customers come and go. Not one farang seen. Mostly Asian. As sex monger customers, have we been replaced? Are the better looking girls also better looking for Asians too? Not in all cases, however it seems that many of the better looking girls are working at MPs or bars dominated by Asian customers now (and I am ignoring those catering mainly for Thai).

Are we out numbered by Japanese Guys working here or here as sex tourists. All the odd numbered Sois from Asoke up seem to be Japanese or similar Asian dominated now.

I have stressed before I really now have to find girls that prefer Farang customers, or girls that Farangs choose and Asians don't, if I am to find the girls with the attitudes that match old times.

Where are the new hunting grounds the Japanese don't occupy?

What makes Japanese customers so much better? Is it just they spend much more money? Or are they more fun, or sexually less demanding?

Let's see now both my Shark girls have probably no Asian customers, only farangs, another regular is exotic type and has prefers Farangs (never fucks Thais), occasionally Asians maybe. I have a Lao girl that cannot speak English nor Japanese giving me a massive advantage. She has so few she can talk to. Yet at her MP she had a mix of Asian and Farang customers. Pretty face beyond the norm. My last Crazy House girl is tall slim and light skinned and could attract Japanese, I don't know. Maybe a bit too kooky and shy. LOL One Crazy girl I did a little in the past preferred Koreans, so for me her performance was not up to scratch. Makes sense, right?

All those girls that now prefer to do Japanese and Korean and other Asian guys have been cut out of our market. Maybe there is a large overlap between those and the surgeries girls. Why have gogo bar prices risen so fast and Oily MP prices stayed pretty much stagnant for last 10 years? But top soapies catering for a lot of Japanese rises have gone sky high?

Have I made a massive mistake here somewhere, or have we been replaced leaving us the girls that can only get Farangs, because Japanese aren't attracted? Then of course a large portion of the girls I can get, don't look exciting enough.

Sit somewhere Near Nana or Cowboy and compare the girls walking out with Farang and the girls walking out with Japanese customers. Which Look better? The Japan guys are with the best looking girls easily (lets forget the Ladyboys section). Sometimes I even think that girl looks so good, where did he find her? Did he barfine one of the top Coyotes?

Several factors count against us compared to 20 and 30 years ago. This factor was just one of them. Time to move to Yangon to find a place trapped in a former time somewhat?

25 to 27 years approx. ago had an amazing experience with a newbie bargirl, possibly from Pat Pong before Nana Plaza times. She enjoyed the sex so much, that she woke me up several times to have some more. Cost would have been 500 Baht for the night not including BF. Can't remember now if my stamina was great or not. Pre Viagra times. Never had that happen to me again. Never seem to find newbies quite that eager any more. Of course most girls don't want to do LT anyway. In those days, was sometimes hard to get rid of bargirls, they were having such a good time or easy time. They really did not want to leave at all. Hence the term arose "you pay the girl to leave". They would just hang with you for days if you did not make any attempt to have them go "home". Sometimes would be crying on leaving, or needing to know when they will see you next. Sometimes guys were weak and ended up being permanently stuck with those girls.

Syzygies, pardon me for the unsolicited response here. I still hold you in high esteem as you make significant meaningful contributions to this board. Like the post yesterday about massage shops was illuminating.

I have replicated your entire post here because every single point here point in one direction only IMHO.

RESISTANCE TO CHANGE. You talk about an experience 25 to 27 years ago. It is simply unrealistic to expect that today. Isn't it? Let us be objective and fair here.

There are reports from plenty of elderly farangs on these threads who are visiting LOS today and are having a great time. Natty Bumpo is a star example. No one will debate here about Natty having a ball here every time he visits. Why is that? Because he has embraced the change and he plays the game the girls like to play. FL Hawk reported yesterday about his Day 1 in Pattaya. In his own words he had a great time at the clubs, but the takeaway did not work as planned (and that can happen to anyone). I could pick another dozen examples. FWIW I have been travelling to LOS since 1999. Have not missed a single year. And I still have a great time when I am on ground.

And in stark contrast we have a few people (I never ever thought you would be one of them, ever!) who continue to be dour and never miss an opportunity to complain about how terrible things have become compared to 20 years ago. Sure, its their life, and they are free to think and do as they please. Except that, such an attitude is not helping them get laid as much as they would like. Because a man who gets sex does not complain.

Sure, there are other factors like being a resident vs being a tourist. That is a huge factor IMHO.

So, my mantra is EMBRACE THE CHANGE. And I do believe results will follow. Peace out.

[Blanquiceleste]

"Safer than" are the key words. Seriously, you don't actually read any of the posts you trash talk about, right?
It is safer and a more effective way to ensure you will not catch or transmit an STD than really, really intending to use a condom but forgetting it, having it slip off, having it break, tear or fail, being too drunk to use one at all and so on.

Gosh, this joker is so predictable. I received at least 20 PMs wagering a beer that there will be a lame ass defense to this poke. And here it is. Got to pay now for those beers, but it will be worth every single satang spent.

Not reading all of MP's reports, now that he has learned from the seniors here that overpaying for standard fare (lick around the edges, if that, slip on a cover and proceed) is not a particularly impressive achievement unless there is at least something special on offer and, therefore, now his reports are sprinkled with accounts of getting BBBJ+CIM+Swallow and BBFS, has he ever mentioned having a recent "medical certificate" in his possession or anything else before or after engaging in those things?

If you believe in pushing back his so called tall claims then you should do a better job of reading the posts. Else your fans here will be disappointed that you are slacking on the job.

You're his #1 cult follower, so I am sure you must know.

Are you sad you don't have one? And I would know, but I am sure you would not want to know. And if I told you, you would not believe it. A waste of time all around.

[Wonder World]

....Not one farang seen. Mostly Asian. As sex monger customers, have we been replaced? ...Are we out numbered by Japanese Guys working here or here as sex tourists.....I have stressed before I really now have to find girls that prefer Farang customers, or girls that Farangs choose and Asians don't....Is it just they spend much more money?....Let's see now both my Shark girls have probably no Asian customers, only farangs.....But top soapies catering for a lot of Japanese rises have gone sky high.......or have we been replaced leaving us the girls that gets farangs. ....Several factors count against us compared to 20 and 30 years ago

Let me first tell you that I am an humble Indian. I represent the huge community of brown skinned guys. Buy I'll request you all learned souls not to take this post as racial or fueled by anything close to envy.

In Thailand, there is a saying that goes as if you see a snake and an Indian, first kill the Indian and then the snake. This is because of how how some Indians have captured the big economic power houses in Thailand. Thai girls prefer to fuck all nationalities other than Indians. Bad luck for me. Neither I am one of those rich guys. But yet subjected to that racism.

I personally have no disrespect to my fellows from the west. Thai girls, so to say any girls in prostitution, has known the colour of money. So far, it's color was white. A guy from the west = money. Things have changed. East also started to have money. Japan to start with. China and India is not far behind. As I said, the Professional girls know the color of money. So they know the color of skin.

One thing about the west is that. They thought of colonizing first. Well before the peaceful east. They got an upper hand. . In money and thus the preference among Thai pros. But somewhere down the line they are going to loose it. Change is the only constant they say. So suit yourselves. And enjoy the time to the fullest till Thai pro girls realise it. Asians are coming. And Asians are going to flood Thailand. Bitter truth.

This is just my personal and humble thought. I don't invite any criticism.

Have a nice time when in Thailand.

[HorseTrader]

Funny thing. You mentioned Tijuana. I'm in Tijuana now. I'm from Hong Kong, ran into Lew Ashby at Hong Club, met a Mexican blonde haired dancer by the name of Tokyo at Hong Kong. The very next day Lew goes to Tokyo, I follow on 12th to Tokyo, we all meet again in Pattaya after that. $100 bucks plus the room for 30 minutes of so so service sucks in Tijuana.

Funny thing, I'm in San Diego now but making almost daily trips to Tijuana. Drop me a PM and I'll buy you a beer at Hong Kong or wherever you prefer.

Time for a picture of a Mexican gal with tour teddy bear.

[Rob Jones]

Funny thing. You mentioned Tijuana. I'm in Tijuana now. I'm from Hong Kong, ran into Lew Ashby at Hong Club, met a Mexican blonde haired dancer by the name of Tokyo at Hong Kong. The very next day Lew goes to Tokyo, I follow on 12th to Tokyo, we all meet again in Pattaya after that. $100 bucks plus the room for 30 minutes of so so service sucks in Tijuana.

I have partied with Lew in Pattaya and he is a great guy. You will have a ball with him. If you can find twins he will be very happy! Enjoy your travels.

RJ.

[Aviator12]

Are we out numbered by Japanese Guys working here or here as sex tourists. All the odd numbered Sois from Asoke up seem to be Japanese or similar Asian dominated now.

I have stressed before I really now have to find girls that prefer Farang customers, or girls that Farangs choose and Asians don't, if I am to find the girls with the attitudes that match old times.

Where are the new hunting grounds the Japanese don't occupy?

What makes Japanese customers so much better? Is it just they spend much more money? Or are they more fun, or sexually less demanding?

Very interesting question this one. Just been 5 days in Pattaya and the picture is clear; Walking street is taken over by Asian customers. Very few farangs spotted in the top bars. Places like Windmill is the exception. The Farang has moved to LK Metro area. This area is really booming and gives high hopes for a continuation of what is lost in walking street. Walking street go-gos are almost all Koreans and Japanese these days. But in my opinion it is no problem; the go-gos and freelance standard around LK Metro is alive and well. Plenty of sexy girls and a good selection for all. In 5 days I only spotted 5 or 6 Koreans here, the rest is all farang. It is a great area and now much more interesting than WS area. For Bangkok it is a more mixed scene of course. Quite different from Pattaya.

[Syzygies]

Rumor has it that there will be a Korean owned go go bar open on the third floor of Nana plaza, what do you think about it?

Do I need to think about it? Will it pull the best girls out of Billboard and other bars? Not sure? Perhaps if Koreans are not that keen on surgeries, the best girls for me, might go there.

Obvious trend, if true. So many bars open and fail and close, maybe a Korean bar has more chance. Construction is happening in the back right hand corner right now maybe. It's a free market. I was allowed in RB4, but seriously few Farangs were in there. LOL.

[Syzygies]

There are still Farangs well pleased, but some of us notice the decline.

I look at Girls sitting outside Dozo massage. Definitely average standard of look is superior. Some over weight yes and not my taste. However some look reasonably good. Saw customers come and go. Not one farang seen. Mostly Asian. As sex monger customers, have we been replaced? Are the better looking girls also better looking for Asians too? Not in all cases, however it seems that many of the better looking girls are working at MPs or bars dominated by Asian customers now (and I am ignoring those catering mainly for Thai).

Are we out numbered by Japanese Guys working here or here as sex tourists. All the odd numbered Sois from Asoke up seem to be Japanese or similar Asian dominated now.

I have stressed before I really now have to find girls that prefer Farang customers, or girls that Farangs choose and Asians don't, if I am to find the girls with the attitudes that match old times.

Where are the new hunting grounds the Japanese don't occupy?

What makes Japanese customers so much better? Is it just they spend much more money? Or are they more fun, or sexually less demanding?

Let's see now both my Shark girls have probably no Asian customers, only farangs, another regular is exotic type and has prefers Farangs (never fucks Thais), occasionally Asians maybe. I have a Lao girl that cannot speak English nor Japanese giving me a massive advantage. She has so few she can talk to. Yet at her MP she had a mix of Asian and Farang customers. Pretty face beyond the norm. My last Crazy House girl is tall slim and light skinned and could attract Japanese, I don't know. Maybe a bit too kooky and shy. LOL One Crazy girl I did a little in the past preferred Koreans, so for me her performance was not up to scratch. Makes sense, right?

All those girls that now prefer to do Japanese and Korean and other Asian guys have been cut out of our market. Maybe there is a large overlap between those and the surgeries girls. Why have gogo bar prices risen so fast and Oily MP prices stayed pretty much stagnant for last 10 years? But top soapies catering for a lot of Japanese rises have gone sky high?

Have I made a massive mistake here somewhere, or have we been replaced leaving us the girls that can only get Farangs, because Japanese aren't attracted? Then of course a large portion of the girls I can get, don't look exciting enough.

Sit somewhere Near Nana or Cowboy and compare the girls walking out with Farang and the girls walking out with Japanese customers. Which Look better? The Japan guys are with the best looking girls easily (lets forget the Ladyboys section). Sometimes I even think that girl looks so good, where did he find her? Did he barfine one of the top Coyotes?

Several factors count against us compared to 20 and 30 years ago. This factor was just one of them. Time to move to Yangon to find a place trapped in a former time somewhat?

25 to 27 years approx. ago had an amazing experience with a newbie bargirl, possibly from Pat Pong before Nana Plaza times. She enjoyed the sex so much, that she woke me up several times to have some more. Cost would have been 500 Baht for the night not including BF. Can't remember now if my stamina was great or not. Pre Viagra times. Never had that happen to me again. Never seem to find newbies quite that eager any more. Of course most girls don't want to do LT anyway. In those days, was sometimes hard to get rid of bargirls, they were having such a good time or easy time. They really did not want to leave at all. Hence the term arose "you pay the girl to leave". They would just hang with you for days if you did not make any attempt to have them go "home". Sometimes would be crying on leaving, or needing to know when they will see you next. Sometimes guys were weak and ended up being permanently stuck with those girls.

[MonkeyPaw]

I've been to Tijuana quite often over the past twenty years. What is the spinning basket job? I've never heard of it. Is it like the red rope trick done in Shanghai and other parts of China? I might add Tijuana isn't half bad these days. Selection of girls is pretty decent. But short time there is still really short time.

Funny thing. You mentioned Tijuana. I'm in Tijuana now. I'm from Hong Kong, ran into Lew Ashby at Hong Club, met a Mexican blonde haired dancer by the name of Tokyo at Hong Kong. The very next day Lew goes to Tokyo, I follow on 12th to Tokyo, we all meet again in Pattaya after that. $100 bucks plus the room for 30 minutes of so so service sucks in Tijuana.

[EihTooms]

And our blind mice are back at it again. Nearly 3000 posts between the two. How many of them deliver true value one would wonder?

Speaking of suggested methods we have one here who believes that holding a medical certificate and peeing and washing with soap after BBFS is a safe way to keep off STDs. LOL. Senior members, hah!

"Safer than" are the key words. Seriously, you don't actually read any of the posts you trash talk about, right?

It is safer and a more effective way to ensure you will not catch or transmit an STD than really, really intending to use a condom but forgetting it, having it slip off, having it break, tear or fail, being too drunk to use one at all and so on.

Not reading all of MP's reports, now that he has learned from the seniors here that overpaying for standard fare (lick around the edges, if that, slip on a cover and proceed) is not a particularly impressive achievement unless there is at least something special on offer and, therefore, now his reports are sprinkled with accounts of getting BBBJ+CIM+Swallow and BBFS, has he ever mentioned having a recent "medical certificate" in his possession or anything else before or after engaging in those things?

You're his #1 cult follower, so I am sure you must know.

[Blanquiceleste]

Just like trump he's a real storyteller LOL. But just like Trump not entertaining, unless he makes a fool of himself.

And just like Trump, his ego is so fragile and his inferiority complex so deep, it is not enough for him to merely praise himself and his methods as in, "This is how I do it. It works great for me! Give it a try". No, he must also try to convince his cult followers that everyone else is full of shit and their suggested methods should only be dismissed and ignored. That is why the most blatant hogwash in his posts, if not he himself, is so worthy of push back.

And our blind mice are back at it again. Nearly 3000 posts between the two. How many of them deliver true value one would wonder?

Speaking of suggested methods we have one here who believes that holding a medical certificate and peeing and washing with soap after BBFS is a safe way to keep off STDs. LOL. Senior members, hah!