Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[Sunlover2]

Well that is not what the dictionary seems to think.

So if I am immune from prosecution it means I can still be prosecuted but it will not be that bad?

See that prefix im- means not. Impossible, Immeasurable, Impolite, Immature. We don't say these words for something that may be able to be done, or something with a slight chance of being measured, or someone that is 10% polite. But you are saying it for more-likelies or so-so's now?

A better word would be quasi-immune if what you say is what it is supposed to convey.

You are conflating two distinctly different concepts, which happen to share a word:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunity_(medical).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_immunity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflation

But since you posted it in a Stupid Shit thread you are right on point!

SL.

[Mr Enternational]

Immunity means you are more likely to avoid a catastrophic outcome, not that you can't catch the same virus again.

Well that is not what the dictionary seems to think.

So if I am immune from prosecution it means I can still be prosecuted but it will not be that bad?

See that prefix im- means not. Impossible, Immeasurable, Impolite, Immature. We don't say these words for something that may be able to be done, or something with a slight chance of being measured, or someone that is 10% polite. But you are saying it for more-likelies or so-so's now?

A better word would be quasi-immune if what you say is what it is supposed to convey.

[Sunlover2]

Are you sure about an individual getting reinfected with the identical virus? With other viruses, once you beat it you have immunity from that virus. Depending on the exact virus, that immunity may last a few months but it may last a lifetime.

What's different about omicron so that the same individual can get it again and again?

Immunity means you are more likely to avoid a catastrophic outcome, not that you can't catch the same virus again.

Omicron has (so far) proven to be more contagious, but far less virulent.

SL.

[Mr Enternational]

So let's say you are vaccinated but catch Omicron. You little sick, so have to stay home from work 3-5 days. Or you can go to work and reinfect others. But this is Omicron. You can get infected again and again. Keep staying home from work 3-5 days each time or go and reinfect others because you think it's not too bad.

I see your point!

[HorseTrader]

….Or you can go to work and reinfect others. But this is Omicron. You can get infected again and again. Keep staying home from work 3-5 days each time ….

Are you sure about an individual getting reinfected with the identical virus? With other viruses, once you beat it you have immunity from that virus. Depending on the exact virus, that immunity may last a few months but it may last a lifetime.

What's different about omicron so that the same individual can get it again and again?

[ElMexicant]

Wavering Thai Government policies on entry are very difficult to understand. Omicron is fast spreading, but not nearly as dangerous as it's preceding variants. To date I believe only 1 person in the world has died from it. There are now medicines for dealing with Covid infections that did not exist a year ago. It is their country and they can do what they want. I just find it very frustrating. The error in the the policy seems to be that in the long run, at some future date, the Thai government will have to open the border and thus expose it's people. Covid is the gift that keeps on giving. It is going to be around in some form for a long time to come.

Hey bro,

So let's say you are vaccinated but catch Omicron. You little sick, so have to stay home from work 3-5 days. Or you can go to work and reinfect others. But this is Omicron. You can get infected again and again. Keep staying home from work 3-5 days each time or go and reinfect others because you think it's not too bad. Now multiply that by tens of millions of people that keep reinfecting each other. What do you think happens to an entire country? What about the healthcare system? Inflation? Debt? You know when it comes to government it's always about a plus minus in the revenue, not death. See cigarettes.

[Axel Heyst]

Wavering Thai Government policies on entry are very difficult to understand. Omicron is fast spreading, but not nearly as dangerous as it's preceding variants. To date I believe only 1 person in the world has died from it. There are now medicines for dealing with Covid infections that did not exist a year ago. It is their country and they can do what they want. I just find it very frustrating. The error in the the policy seems to be that in the long run, at some future date, the Thai government will have to open the border and thus expose it's people. Covid is the gift that keeps on giving. It is going to be around in some form for a long time to come.

[Banana Boi]

The Prime Minister just announceed that the thai Pass system, which allows entry into to Thailand at the moment, will stop accepting new applications. The 90,000 people who already have a Thailand Pass will be allowed to enter, but no new applications will be accepted.

Technically you still have nearly 5 hours (midnight BKK time) to register for your Thailand Pass. If not registered, you're SOL.

Heard 5 people who arrived in Phuket yesterday tested positive for the Omicron variant, even though they had a negative RT-PCR test before their flight. American, Swede, German, Thai, and French. Scary part is they were on different flights. Wonder how many others who sat around them will also require mandatory hospitalization.

[Member #4753]

The Prime Minister just announceed that the thai Pass system, which allows entry into to Thailand at the moment, will stop accepting new applications. The 90,000 people who already have a Thailand Pass will be allowed to enter, but no new applications will be accepted.

The official announcement will be made on Friday where further details will be announced. The Phuket Sandbox entry system will probably remain as well as new quarantine entry requirements will be announced.

[Explorer8939]

Test and Go is scrapped. No new applications will be processed. Existing QR codes will still be valid.

Merry Christmas.

They timed it so people who planned to come after January 7 will have to do quarantine.

[HorseTrader]

It's Thailand, not the world. Friends of mine are going everywhere except Thailand. Brazil, Medellin, Germany, Cambodia, Indonesia, Canada, etc. Hobby spots are open in these countries with few barriers to entry. These governments don't have weekly knee jerk reactions ….

I give Thailand credit for keeping people alive. Much fewer per capita COVID cases and deaths than other destinations, such as Brazil. The expense being economic. The various nations count cases and deaths differently, so there is some uncertainty in that. Nevertheless, I will feel safer in Thailand than other countries, assuming I actually go.

…. Since I'm older I don't know how many trips I have left in me. I'm pissed off. Thailand is my preferred destination but, with everything closed, I won't go there until after reopening and I don't see that happening until late spring / summer. …

I'm in the same situation, I finally have the time and money to enjoy the best of Thailand, but COVID is taking that away (twice per year trips of 45 to 60 days, each). The other worry for old punters is the likelihood of outliving our dicks. On the bright side is that I have one 85 year old friend who is still an active punter, but no more than 2 or 3 times per week (very healthy life style).

[Member #4753]

Thailand is getting about 10,000 international arrivals per day. About 80% are arriving on the Test and Go program. Only 0.2% are testing positive (reference Richard Barrow's )

If that gets scrapped, and it looks like it will, then the arrival numbers will drop to 2,000 to 4,000 per day. What little tourists that were here will soon be gone again.

The tourist companies that started back up again will probably have to close again.

The biggest issue is the lack of clear messaging. One minister says something, then it goes through the process and may or may not come into affect a week later. Very hard to plan anything when no one knows what the rules are.

The is little doubt the Omnicron variant is in Thailand and spreading. In a few weeks Thailand will most likely see a new surge start, the rest of the world is just a few weeks ahead.

[Banana Boi]

The travel world is driving me nuts.

It's Thailand, not the world. Friends of mine are going everywhere except Thailand. Brazil, Medellin, Germany, Cambodia, Indonesia, Canada, etc. Hobby spots are open in these countries with few barriers to entry. These governments don't have weekly knee jerk reactions not thinking about how it affects those interested in coming to their country. Thailand regularly report they want fewer regular tourists and only want investors who can afford 10s of millions. I think they're getting the first part of their wish at least.

Anyone on the ground in Pattaya and Bangkok can attest very few tourists have arrived in Thailand even with the Test and Go.

[Allover]

The travel world is driving me nuts. First I buy tickets on Cathay Pacific, but a little later they rerouted me to an unacceptable schedule. I cancel and have refund verbally approved. Next I buy tickets on British Airways, but they stop flying to BKK and they give me unacceptable rerouting via Qatar. I cancel and have refund verbally approved. Shortly before Explorer made his post, I bought from Lufthansa. If this 7-day quarantine actually happens, I might cancel those tickets too.

At the moment, I have the bills for 3 round trip flights on my credit card. I hope the formal refunds come soon..

International travel is a real shitshow now and Omicron may change everything on a moments notice. Since I'm older I don't know how many trips I have left in me. I'm pissed off. Thailand is my preferred destination but, with everything closed, I won't go there until after reopening and I don't see that happening until late spring / summer. Is anyplace easy to visit now?

[Thomas9]

Yikes! Can you provide a reference link?

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/st...71217648394241

"The Minister of Public Health is proposing for Test & Go to be scrapped and quarantine brought back for all international arrivals. This is despite the fact that only 0. 14% of Test & Go arrivals tested positive. Even talking aloud about this plan will be disastrous for tourism."

https://www.matichon.co.th/covid19/news_3094960