Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Kozerog]

Anthony, the escorts in Dubai and the dreams in Ukraine are different things. The simplest of chat on social media can quickly lead to opening a Western Union account.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=91697-tr62k

I had a number of online arguments with this Stryker guy, including on his Ukraine Fusion forum, where he banned me for negativity. If I recall correctly, Stryker himself spent $5000 on a Dream Connections tour, have $8000 to another agency to get introductions to overweight middle-aged single mothers, then finally met a few younger girls who he took them on expenses paid vacations to Venice and other pricey destinations before they dumped him. At least he got sime "intimacy" during these trips. Not sure how much intimacy, but surely price per act of intimacy at least $1000.

Another guy on Stryker's forum spent like $30 K on a girl and never got more than a kiss. When he took her to Paris after she accepted his marriage proposal, she insisted on separate bedrooms. At least the marriage fell through and he didn't get divorce raped. I spent a lot of time chatting with this guy. Clearly a sharp businessman (something to do with gas and oil drilling) and worth at least $10 million, but absolutely no sense where women are concerned. Turns to putty in the hands of these Ukrainian scammers.

Tons more guys like this. Really mind-boggling how men can be so stupid around women, especially Anglo world men around Ukrainian women.

[DramaFree11]

Yes 2-3 k is more like it. I know because I run a software company in Kyiv.

Thank you for your input. Many of the veterans on the Kiev page are in complete denial about Kiev and nothing will change there mind. There is a lot more money in Kiev then most would ever understand.

[Riina]

When would Mohammads send money to Kiev just for the attention of the girls when they can get high end Ukrainian and Russian escorts in Dubai?

Anthony, the escorts in Dubai and the dreams in Ukraine are different things. The simplest of chat on social media can quickly lead to opening a Western Union account.

[AntonySun1996]

When I was there the girls I knew were getting Mohammads sending them money each day. These dudes were so needy. And the girls would pay attention to them for a couple minutes and get funded.

When would Mohammads send money to Kiev just for the attention of the girls when they can get high end Ukrainian and Russian escorts in Dubai?

[Riina]

You guys ever notice that these you tube guys traveling Eastern Europe discreetly incorporate pussy into their videos. If we were back ten years, these same dudes would be on this forum describing their sexual conquests. I enjoy the content, but they're misleading viewers to believe sweet cuties can be found in the East. I can only imagine how many excited young men jump on a plane to only find reality.

I'm not discouraging travel. If you want success, you better have the cash and time. Most importantly, you better keep your Western values back home.

[MS Clive]

My doubts were about boys under 25 making 6 K USD a month. 3-4 K USD monthly before taxes or paid cash for a person under 30 in his prime is believable. Happy to be mistaken. Seriously. Thanks for sharing your knowledge in a civilized manner).

Kiev is an interesting city. One can spend almost more than in New York, or stay within very modest limits.

Yes 2-3 k is more like it. I know because I run a software company in Kyiv.

[PhotoSlider]

I think you would be very surprised at the IT salaries in Kyiv. $3000 is very common for a python or java programmer under 30. In the US or London they would be making at least $8000 a month. So, $3000-4000 is a bargain and office girls (SMM, Adsense, data science, etc.) are making 1200+ a month. Epam alone has over 5000 tech employees in UA. Odessa and the east is a very different story, but the young tech crowd in Kyiv has money.

My doubts were about boys under 25 making 6 K USD a month. 3-4 K USD monthly before taxes or paid cash for a person under 30 in his prime is believable. Happy to be mistaken. Seriously. Thanks for sharing your knowledge in a civilized manner).

Kiev is an interesting city. One can spend almost more than in New York, or stay within very modest limits.

[PhotoSlider]

...In other words, even if a few girls successfully scammed Mohammad in the past, the secret is out now and competition has surely ruined the market. That is, add up all the money of all the gullible Mohammads in the entire world, then divide by the number of scammers, and result is that most scammers aren't making much...

The key word here is "most". Some girls do, but resources are limited, and competition is fierce. I have wealthy local friends, they get a lot for free, and have no desire to sponsor long-term.

I also communicated a few times with scammers. They get easily frustrated when their attempts do not work. Desperation is obvious.

So, there's a lot of make-belief, wishful thinking and misconception around mongering activities in Kiev, as well as lots of variety, as it is a big and continually growing city with vibrant young population. Many girls do fish for easy money, doesn't mean they get it left and right, leaving the visiting boys empty-handed.

[TinyHippo]

$3000 to $6000 per month for an IT person in Ukraine is greatly exaggerated. Maybe somewhere else in Eastern Europe and the Balkans, but unlikely in Ukraine, definitely not in Kiev, flooded with talent searching for jobs. And not everyone leaves Ukraine to work elsewhere.

I wonder what would that USASG gentleman say after staying in Kiev for a year? Would he find a job paying so well? Would he be happy with ladies?

I think you would be very surprised at the IT salaries in Kyiv. $3000 is very common for a python or java programmer under 30. In the US or London they would be making at least $8000 a month. So, $3000-4000 is a bargain and office girls (SMM, Adsense, data science, etc.) are making 1200€+ a month. Epam alone has over 5000 tech employees in UA. Odessa and the east is a very different story, but the young tech crowd in Kyiv has money.

[PhotoSlider]

Ever notice the big effort in photography by Ukrainians? There's a reason for that.

Hence my suggestion to meet the girls in person.

I have nothing against masturbation, or any other form of getting off, as long as it's consensual and nobody is hurt. To each his own. Yet my own preference is to consume the real product instead of a substitute.

[PhotoSlider]

The other junk news I find interesting is the Italian guy that got deported. If that cuck understood that their's a touch of tute in every woman, he would have been prepared for the stick shoved up his ass by his bee wife.

Riina, can you be a little less cryptic and more informative in your messages please? Not that I am going to marry an Ukrainian, but you certainly piqued my curiosity.

[Kozerog]

...Mohammads sending them money each day...The hot ones get all things handed to them in life...

When hot girls are young, yes life is easy, but they don't stay young forever. Which is why there are always plenty of former hot girls eager to work for moderate pay as agency dispatchers, mama sans, etc. But why work for moderate pay if it's so easy to squeeze money from "Mohammad"? Just use old photos, from back when they were still hot, or steal another girls photos. If online only, then doesn't matter if photo is real or not, right? Boris and Ivan can also use fake photos to get free money from Mohammed, and Boris and Ivan have the advantage of better understanding how Mohammad's sex-deprived male mind works. In other words, even if a few girls successfully scammed Mohammad in the past, the secret is out now and competition has surely ruined the market. That is, add up all the money of all the gullible Mohammads in the entire world, then divide by the number of scammers, and result is that most scammers aren't making much.

Similar situation with girls in the USA on seeking.com offering platonic or online-only or financial domination relationships. Add up all the money of all the simps willing to indulge such foolishness, divide by the number of girls trying these scams, and final result is that most such girls are getting nothing.

[Riina]

The case is simple. Get paid remotely, and fuck young local dick. Not too bad of an arrangement.

Ever notice the big effort in photography by Ukrainians? There's a reason for that.

[PhotoSlider]

Paying remotely IMO is a form of masturbation. Girls certainly like it, and there is substantial category living off of it. Why do one of us should participate in that?

After giving it a thought, I see that shrinks and lawyers are frequently paid big bucks for nothing. Perhaps paying remotely for online conversation, promise of eternal youth and happiness over video-chat, is something like psycho therapy counseling. Why should Ukrainian girls do it for free?

The case is simple. Get paid remotely, and fuck young local dick. Not too bad of an arrangement.

[DramaFree11]

And don't forget the local dudes have money too. Lots of IT workers are under 25 and they are making $3000 to $6000 per month. The market is so hot for skilled workers that HR managers are not able to find enough people. They are actually importing Indians into Eastern Europe and the Balkans. And they are getting paid as well. SO the attractive women can simply hook up with a nice young man and have whatever they want. The Euro agencies and massage businesses will only have old women and average women to offer.

This is a great point, but many of the regular contributors are in complete denial about the truth. Many locals do have a lot of money, probably even more now, then when I was there, since it is so easy for them to work abroad now.