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06-08-22 19:10 #788
Posts: 516Observing the tides vs obsessing over individual waves
Originally Posted by Travv [View Original Post]
Russia gets an income boost because of higher energy prices.
Long-term (tide):
Russia's customer base is negatively impacted because countries are in the process of switching to other suppliers in order to avoid being victimized by Russia's weaponized energy policies. And the western technology needed to keep Russia's energy industry in operation is being withheld, and is unlikely to return for years, if not decades. Which means that breakdowns and bottlenecks are increasingly in store.
Also, there's certainly an argument to be made that the US has made itself more vulnerable as it's moved away from energy independence. One doesn't have to be a supporter of the former administration to recognize that US energy policy has substantially changed. In fact, critics of the current administration have observed that advocates of "green energy" are using the present situation to advance their agenda. What's that phrase again? Oh yes, "Never let a crisis go to waste," IIRC.
I don't watch Tucker, so I can't say for sure, but I imagine that, in his criticism of Biden, at some point he must have mentioned the shift in energy policy, right? And, if that's the case, any discussion of sanctions-related (oil, gasoline, and gas) price increases that doesn't ALSO mention the effects of policy changes is flawed and intellectually dishonest. A balanced argument would explore the notion that, if US energy resources were being maximally exploited, it's quite possible we'd have enough to take care of our own needs and also a surplus to support our allies and world markets.
So, while this topic may make for a compelling TV program and YouTube video, like so many "clickbait" issues, it's really an argument that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
P.S. I've made several posts addressing Russia's inability, due to sanctions on goods and services, to use their income effectively. And I've also posted references to sources that show the drastic decrease of imports into Russia, even from supposedly friendly countries. Again, the tide is more important than the waves.
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06-08-22 18:23 #787
Posts: 516Pedro M: Mosquito anti-racism advocate! No bug bites, no peace!
Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
Please tell us, do you support ALL mosquito rights? What about trans and same-sex mosquitoes? Or do you only advocate for cishet, gender-normative mosquitoes? And what about genetically modified mosquitoes? You know, the ones designed to mate but not procreate? What's your position on them?
The questions above, and others, are important in determining whether you're consistent in your defense of mosquito rights. For example, do you condemn Russians who kill mosquitoes? And what about West Africans who, while appreciative of mosquitoes troubling the colonialists, still hate them when it comes to their own blood being sucked?
So many questions! Wait, do you also do slugs? It occurs to me that the slug is another candidate for a universally hated organism. Do you defend the rights of slugs against racist gardeners who sprinkle salt on them, or who spread diatomaceous earth on the ground to slice up their slimy underbellies? That underrepresented invertebrate is clamoring for your attention and support!
Oh, and as far as the term "orc" is concerned, it describes any Russian invader in Ukraine, irrespective of race or ethnicity. If you were REALLY concerned about racism, you'd be condemning the white ethnic Russians of Moscow and St. Petersburg, who sit back in relative comfort while they send their racial and ethnic Central Asian minorities to fight and die. Putin's ideal of Russian purity doesn't include those people, so it's perfectly acceptable for them to be used as cannon fodder.
One more important question: Did you have to study to become this stupid, or were you born this way?
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06-08-22 17:02 #786
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
Private investment groups dig into statistics that the regime is not giving attention and manipulating. Western investment groups look at Chinese electric usage and truck traffic to see what is happening inside the China economy.
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06-08-22 16:58 #785
Posts: 2794Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
Yes, I do feel bad for the people, but I have no compassion for either government. Yes, Putin is to blame, but Ukraine government are no saints, far from it. Sorry this is the truth.
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06-08-22 16:14 #784
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
You might look at recent talks in Istanbul as a waste of time. Obviously, peace talks work best when both parties are tired and exhausted from the conflict. I have no idea how this conflict will be settled. No one knows if a permanent peace will be attainable.
The Paris Peace Talks went on for four years before an agreement was signed. Clearly, the United States thought (wrongly) they had something to gain to continue on with the conflict. I would hope no one wants to see Russia fighting in the Ukraine for several years. Again, I don't know how it comes to an end.
As far as who is left to be an honest broker (with not too much emphasis on broker), I already have mentioned Turkey, India and even China. Although China praised Putin before the war, I'm not sure they have done anything material to support Russia.
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06-08-22 15:49 #783
Posts: 132+1
And it looks like I already have a compnay in that group.
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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06-08-22 15:46 #782
Posts: 132:-the
By the way, I am not an American!!
As I said, whatever happend who will lose? The Common people!
Originally Posted by Travv [View Original Post]
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06-08-22 10:57 #781
Posts: 2843Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
Remember Czechoslovakia in 1968 ?? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y228MtvAa3I.
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06-08-22 08:49 #780
Posts: 1056Truth Denier
You made a racist statement about mosquitoes and Africans. I corrected you. All you can do in your little Habara factory is hurl insults. From a point of view of ignorance.
"Russian orcs" more racism.
Go and beat up some Christians or Muslims, you pig.
Meanwhile, the Russian military roll on to victory.
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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06-08-22 05:04 #779
Posts: 657Russia the Long Term Loser? Look in the Mirror to find the Short Term Loser!
Just fueled up yesterday at the pump and noticed the prices are skyrocketing. Meanwhile the Russians have lots of gas and oil and are making bank and rolling in the cash from energy sales. This war is boosting the income that Russia receives from its oil and gas. Look in the mirror and figure out who is being sanctioned at the gas pump and grocery store. Tucker: You are about to get a lot poorer. Fox News host reacts to Biden banning Russian oil and natural gas imports on 'Tucker Carlson Tonight. ' #FoxNews #Tucker Biden's Latest Attack on the Middle Class. A youtube video dated March 8, 2022 well worth watching as it accurately describes who is getting screwed with these sanctions. Got a mirror handy? Visited the gas station for a fillup lately?
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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06-07-22 21:25 #778
Posts: 516The two sides of every conflict
Originally Posted by Travv [View Original Post]
Here's a pretty comprehensive look at the issues, and competing Ukraine vs Russia narratives, authored by a German organization:
https://www.swp-berlin.org/10.18449/2019RP05
Reading, or even skimming, through the report, it's quite evident how far apart the narratives of each of the sides are. One can certainly set the starting point of the timeline at 2014, and one can certainly argue that the Minsk Accords are an equitable solution. But intellectual honesty and integrity requires pointing out that such a view is in substantial agreement with the pro-Russia narrative, and is dismissive of the Ukrainian position.
As I've posted numerous times, I'm not interested in defending pre-invasion Ukraine. I frankly don't care what provocations, real or imagined, Russia was enduring. As the bigger and more powerful country, they had a range of options by which they could have responded. Marching in with an army, and lobbing bombs and missiles at civilians, is unacceptable by any moral standard.
Russia is unequivocally the aggressor, and Putin bears sole responsibility. With those facts fixed firmly in mind, my hope is for the most humiliating possible defeat for Russia. And my second hope is that Russia's own people see to a Mussolini-like denouement for Little Vlad.
As for which country ends up paying for its leader's stupidity, there's a compelling argument to be made that Russia will come out the long-term loser.
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06-07-22 20:58 #777
Posts: 1680Russian Propaganda
It's characteristics and how to counter it.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html
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06-07-22 20:40 #776
Posts: 516Ah, now your true anti-Ukraine agenda reveals itself!
Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
Therefore, your "solution" would ONLY have a negative impact on Ukraine. Why don't you drop all pretense and simply declare that you're in favor of Ukrainian capitulation? How pathetic that, instead of having the courage of your convictions (even if wrong) you slink around using weasel-words.
It took a while, but eventually the truth always comes out.
P.S. You can now, once and for all, drop the further pretense that you give a shit about the Ukrainian people. Just take a look at Mariupol if you need a reminder of what Russian "victory" looks like.
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06-07-22 20:34 #775
Posts: 1680Well
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
That was just an excuse anyway as Putin later said he had no problems with Sweden and Finland joining. Ukraine has some very valuable lands, farming and seaports. Putin wants them. Many wars have been fought in that region over the centuries for that precise reason.
https://www.politico.eu/article/puti...den-join-nato/
Plus Zelensky was democratically elected and Ukraine has a Freedom House score of 61 out of 100, not great but about on par with Hungary. They've made a lot of progress. It's far greater than Russia's dismal 15 and Belarus' 5.
https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores
Mostly what we get here though is what I'd call monger forum drive by whiners. They lay out conspiracy theories while usually blaming US democrats for anything that may be wrong in their own lives or in the world. No source or proof is linked, and when asked for it it's never forthcoming. They don't return until they have another unproven assertion or if the mood strikes them to repeat the prior one over again. They don't want to tell us that they heard it the other night listening to Tucker Carlson or reading an obscure far right blog or their FB feed. Here's a good article, especially much of what is found through the sourced imbedded links. This source has a fabulous rating in the matter of media bias and fact checks.
https://theconversation.com/how-russ...ukraine-180202
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-conversation/
Here's more that's worth a look.
https://www.state.gov/fact-vs-fictio...on-on-ukraine/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/ho...war-in-ukraine
https://news.stanford.edu/2022/03/03...a-ukraine-war/
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06-07-22 20:03 #774
Posts: 516Leading contender for most moronic post of 2022!
Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
Congratulations, you have once again besoiled yourself for all to see. ROTFLMFAO!