Stupid Shit in Kyiv

**John Clayton** · 05-19-23 03:21

Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]

M.

Ukraine is being wiped out both directly and indirectly. Yes, Pres. Z. Is a total piece of shit. He is being played by the Euors / Biden. His population is fleeing the country never to return or being killed. The infrastructure / economy is in ruins or being destroyed. I guess this is winning in your crazy Ass liberal world.

Yes, Putin is a terrible person, but he is winning, big time. Sanctions are not working, many parts of the world are in recession now and gas prices are high. Not to mention he is now in partnership with many of our enemies. Great job!

Can you point to a single post of yours that has been correct? Why do you even exist?

**DramaFree11** · 05-19-23 01:46

Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]

Russia is the homeland of corruption, and that's the way it's always been. In fact, to use a religious analogy, it's where the "Original Sin" of Soviet and Post-Soviet corruption can be traced. Whenever someone makes a comment about any kind of corruption in a country that was formerly part of the Soviet Union, they usually neglect to mention how that's part of the negative legacy imparted by the Kremlin-centered kleptocratic system.

When one looks at the countries that have successfully escaped that legacy, it's clear that the most successful have adopted European systems and left Russia (far behind) in the rear-view mirror. The Baltic nations are probably the clearest examples. And that's precisely the path Ukraine wants to pursue. Candidate status for EU membership means that anti-corruption efforts are not only required, but will be under close watch every step of the way. Going forward, Ukraine has every opportunity to evolve for the better, especially with respect to their governance.

Ukraine has a bright future ahead as part of the EU, and also of NATO. In stark contrast, Russia is choking on the vomit of their inbred corruption. They can't escape it because it's part of the fabric of their very existence. Russia operates under the Law of the Jungle, wherein the powerful prey upon the weak. Now that they've been thoroughly isolated they're reduced to eating their own, like a cage full of rabid dogs. And, IMO, Putin will not be able to escape the harvest he has sown.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/one-of...ng-up-with-him

Bottom-Line: Ukraine = hope. Russia = despair.

P.S. It's hard to negotiate with someone who wants to kill you and erase your nationhood. Especially if their position is something like "If you surrender, I'll only cut off your arm for now, but I'll still kill you later. " What's the point of negotiating with that? Better to resist with all your might and do your best to kill or cripple the rabid dog.

P. P.S. You keep making the same intellectually dishonest mistake as others (or perhaps it's intentional) by creating a false equivalence between aggressor and victim. The war should never have happened? Right, so why don't you tell that to Putin? He gave the order, no one else. And he can end the war anytime he wants.

It takes 2 to have a war. Yes, Putin is the aggressor and a bad guy. If you think Ukraine are saints, your drinking the same crap Xman is drinking.

Ukraine had a chance for a bright future, but they screwed it up, mostly because of corruption and greed.

You should always negotiate.

**DramaFree11** · 05-19-23 00:29

Originally Posted by VinDici [View Original Post]

They are not being wiped out, rather the opposite, they just got Storm Shadows, they will get more, and then F-16's, what do you think will happen to the Orcs when that comes online?

This war should not have happened, I think we all agree. The bloodthirsty, rapist, child kidnapping RuZZians cunts, should have stayed home.

Stop pretending to care about corruption, you are a disingenuous piece of Z filth. If you actually gave a fuck about corruption, you'd start with that shithole kleptocracy that is the State of Muscovy, when you've cleaned that up, we can have the discussion about Ukraine.

All you do is watch RT, take your head out of your ass and understand that your beloved country will not survive this war.

M.

Ukraine is being wiped out both directly and indirectly. Yes, Pres. Z. Is a total piece of shit. He is being played by the Euors / Biden. His population is fleeing the country never to return or being killed. The infrastructure / economy is in ruins or being destroyed. I guess this is winning in your crazy Ass liberal world.

Yes, Putin is a terrible person, but he is winning, big time. Sanctions are not working, many parts of the world are in recession now and gas prices are high. Not to mention he is now in partnership with many of our enemies. Great job!

**Jmsuttr** · 05-18-23 23:12

Originally Posted by Questner [View Original Post]

Laurent Gerra: LE cirque Zelensky, bientt proche de chez vous!

https://youtu.be/p-ZyUJAJb9U

From French:

"he can be seen everywhere. Yesterday he visited the Elyse Palace. President Zelensky is touring with a circus. And now, an advertisement in support of Ukraine.

- Gilles Margaritis presents the "Zelensky Circus", which tours all over Europe with its menagerie! In Zelensky's circus you can see a very annoying beardless woman Ursula von der Leyen, Joe Biden an American equilibrist on magic walkers, the Macrons juggling pots, and the highlight of the program, a human cannonball from NATO's procurement. "Zelensky Circus" - yesterday in the Elyse Palace, tomorrow. In your city. ".

It's shooting down Russia's most modern, allegedly "unstoppable" hypersonic missiles. Oh, and the best part about it is that they were shot down with Western anti-aircraft technology that's about 40 years old!

Hear that flushing sound? That's the sound of future Russian weapons contracts going down the toilet.

Can't wait for the NEXT act!

**Jmsuttr** · 05-18-23 23:06

Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]

XMan, Ukraine should have been negotiating for months, instead they pressed there luck, now they are being wiped out. Pres. Z. Is drinking the same cool-aide you drink. This war should have never happened, and negotiations should have been going on from day one.

Now with the latest attack in Moscow, what did they think would happen.

By the way I was in MTY over the weekend, banging hot girls. I will be back in 8 days, with actual girls, join me. This is real world, not this fantasy world you live in. I do feel sorry for the Ukraine people, but I have zero compassion for there government. You conveniently forgot to talk about the corruption going on by he Ukraine government. , even the liberal media report this, but why bother bringing the corruption up.

All you do is complain and watch liberal news. Get a life.

Russia is the homeland of corruption, and that's the way it's always been. In fact, to use a religious analogy, it's where the "Original Sin" of Soviet and Post-Soviet corruption can be traced. Whenever someone makes a comment about any kind of corruption in a country that was formerly part of the Soviet Union, they usually neglect to mention how that's part of the negative legacy imparted by the Kremlin-centered kleptocratic system.

When one looks at the countries that have successfully escaped that legacy, it's clear that the most successful have adopted European systems and left Russia (far behind) in the rear-view mirror. The Baltic nations are probably the clearest examples. And that's precisely the path Ukraine wants to pursue. Candidate status for EU membership means that anti-corruption efforts are not only required, but will be under close watch every step of the way. Going forward, Ukraine has every opportunity to evolve for the better, especially with respect to their governance.

Ukraine has a bright future ahead as part of the EU, and also of NATO. In stark contrast, Russia is choking on the vomit of their inbred corruption. They can't escape it because it's part of the fabric of their very existence. Russia operates under the Law of the Jungle, wherein the powerful prey upon the weak. Now that they've been thoroughly isolated they're reduced to eating their own, like a cage full of rabid dogs. And, IMO, Putin will not be able to escape the harvest he has sown.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/one-of...ng-up-with-him

Bottom-Line: Ukraine = hope. Russia = despair.

P.S. It's hard to negotiate with someone who wants to kill you and erase your nationhood. Especially if their position is something like "If you surrender, I'll only cut off your arm for now, but I'll still kill you later. " What's the point of negotiating with that? Better to resist with all your might and do your best to kill or cripple the rabid dog.

P. P.S. You keep making the same intellectually dishonest mistake as others (or perhaps it's intentional) by creating a false equivalence between aggressor and victim. The war should never have happened? Right, so why don't you tell that to Putin? He gave the order, no one else. And he can end the war anytime he wants.

**VinDici** · 05-18-23 12:02

Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]

XMan, Ukraine should have been negotiating for months, instead they pressed there luck, now they are being wiped out. Pres. Z. Is drinking the same cool-aide you drink. This war should have never happened, and negotiations should have been going on from day one.

Now with the latest attack in Moscow, what did they think would happen.

By the way I was in MTY over the weekend, banging hot girls. I will be back in 8 days, with actual girls, join me. This is real world, not this fantasy world you live in. I do feel sorry for the Ukraine people, but I have zero compassion for there government. You conveniently forgot to talk about the corruption going on by he Ukraine government. , even the liberal media report this, but why bother bringing the corruption up.

All you do is complain and watch liberal news. Get a life.

They are not being wiped out, rather the opposite, they just got Storm Shadows, they will get more, and then F-16's, what do you think will happen to the Orcs when that comes online?

This war should not have happened, I think we all agree. The bloodthirsty, rapist, child kidnapping RuZZians cunts, should have stayed home.

Stop pretending to care about corruption, you are a disingenuous piece of Z filth. If you actually gave a fuck about corruption, you'd start with that shithole kleptocracy that is the State of Muscovy, when you've cleaned that up, we can have the discussion about Ukraine.

All you do is watch RT, take your head out of your ass and understand that your beloved country will not survive this war.

**VinDici** · 05-18-23 11:31

Originally Posted by Questner [View Original Post]

he can be seen everywhere.

Guess who is getting kicked out everywhere, the unwanted peoples.

**Questner** · 05-18-23 03:15

Laurent Gerra: LE cirque Zelensky, bientôt proche de chez vous!

https://youtu.be/p-ZyUJAJb9U

From French:

"he can be seen everywhere. Yesterday he visited the Elysée Palace. President Zelensky is touring with a circus. And now, an advertisement in support of Ukraine.

- Gilles Margaritis presents the "Zelensky Circus", which tours all over Europe with its menagerie! In Zelensky's circus you can see a very annoying beardless woman Ursula von der Leyen, Joe Biden an American equilibrist on magic walkers, the Macrons juggling pots, and the highlight of the program, a human cannonball from NATO's procurement. "Zelensky Circus" - yesterday in the Elysée Palace, tomorrow. In your city. ".

**DramaFree11** · 05-18-23 01:27

Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]

Well, I don't know Wyatt. Seeing HOW (with medieval brutality) and WHY (to wipe Ukraine off the map) they are waging this war, I honestly don't understand how any normal person of any creed and national origin can feel anything other than "some personal animosity towards Russia. " What do you feel towards Russia?

XMan, Ukraine should have been negotiating for months, instead they pressed there luck, now they are being wiped out. Pres. Z. Is drinking the same cool-aide you drink. This war should have never happened, and negotiations should have been going on from day one.

Now with the latest attack in Moscow, what did they think would happen.

By the way I was in MTY over the weekend, banging hot girls. I will be back in 8 days, with actual girls, join me. This is real world, not this fantasy world you live in. I do feel sorry for the Ukraine people, but I have zero compassion for there government. You conveniently forgot to talk about the corruption going on by he Ukraine government. , even the liberal media report this, but why bother bringing the corruption up.

All you do is complain and watch liberal news. Get a life.

**Xpartan** · 05-17-23 06:42

Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]

Oh my JM, how brash and insolent o fme to suggest that perhaps you have some personal animosity towards Russia that goes beyond a distant observer. (By the way, anyone can appear to be winning an argument on social media by trying to reshape the discussion into something else. Excessive drama over an innocuous comment, turning posts into a question of morality.).

Well, I don't know Wyatt. Seeing HOW (with medieval brutality) and WHY (to wipe Ukraine off the map) they are waging this war, I honestly don't understand how any normal person of any creed and national origin can feel anything other than "some personal animosity towards Russia. " What do you feel towards Russia?

**Jmsuttr** · 05-16-23 20:19

Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ir-own-borders

One bomber, one fighter escort, two helicopters, and an estimated 9 aviators eliminated. And reportedly it all happened about 50 km INSIDE Russia.

3. All four aircraft were shot down by Ukraine. Possible methods include: a) Ukrainian Special Forces who successfully infiltrated Russian territory and used some type of MANPAD system; b) Pro-Ukraine partisans using MANPADs; c) Ukrainian forces using ground-based anti-aircraft systems, which would need to be brought close to the border, or into Russia, in order to be effective, or; d) Ukrainian fighters using air-to-air missiles.

With respect to the last option above (air-to-air), here's an opinion-analysis by someone who claims to have experience and knowledge of the equipment and issues discussed. I don't know the author and neither do I know whether his analysis is accurate. My reason for posting is simply as info, and because I haven't seen this analysis anywhere else. And, if it's a correct assessment, it could have significant implications for use of air assets in the war.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...815934014.html

The thread is in German, but Google translate worked well for me.

Also, one possible way to evaluate if this author is onto something will be to observe the behavior of Russian aircraft, going forward. Accident or malfunction shouldn't cause a general change in behavior, and neither should friendly fire (assuming the cause is found and corrected). But a new Ukrainian air-to-air attack capability would likely have an effect on when and where Russia decides to use its aircraft.

**Jmsuttr** · 05-16-23 19:29

Morality, in its simplest sense, concerns itself with questions and judgments about right and wrong. While there are many moral issues about which there can be vigorous debate (ex: legalization of prostitution), there are many about which there is universal, or near-universal, agreement. I would submit that an example of the latter category is the calculated murder of an innocent child. I know of no country, society, or system of laws, in which that is not viewed as morally wrong (to put it mildly). So that fact provides a suitable foundation for this thought experiment:

1. On the other side of the world, an innocent child is murdered by a shot to the head. The murderer publicly admits committing the act and further states that he acted on orders from superiors. You don't personally know any of the individuals involved.

Q: What feelings, if any, does the above scenario generate within you?

2. On the other side of your country, an innocent child is murdered by a shot to the head. The murderer publicly admits committing the act and further states that he acted on orders from superiors. You don't personally know any of the individuals involved.

Q: Same as for #1.

3. On the other side of your city or town an innocent child is murdered by a shot to the head. The murderer publicly admits committing the act and further states that he acted on orders from superiors. You don't personally know any of the individuals involved, but you're familiar with the neighborhood.

Q: Same as for #1.

4. On the other side of your street, an innocent child is murdered by a shot to the head. The murderer publicly admits committing the act and further states that he acted on orders from superiors. You've personally seen the child playing in the neighborhood and you've exchanged pleasantries with the child's parents.

Q: Same as for #1.

5. In your own home, directly in front of you, an innocent child is murdered by a shot to the head. The murderer publicly admits committing the act and further states that he acted on orders from superiors. In this scenario, the child is your daughter or son, or perhaps a grandchild or other beloved family member.

Q: Same as #1.

Discussion: Every morally relevant element is the same in each scenario. The only variables are the proximity of the event and the level of personal knowledge of the area and victim. And, since the event is one that's generally acknowledged to be morally wrong (if not heinous, reprehensible, etc.), then one's reactions arguably provide a sort of barometer of moral sensitivity.

If scenarios 1 and 2 generate feelings like outrage, feelings of anger and hate against the perpetrator, desire for justice (or even revenge), then it's fair to say you tend to fall within the highly sensitive segment of the moral spectrum.

If you start to have similar feelings when events unfold as in scenario 3, I would argue that's the part of the spectrum in which a sizeable percentage (majority?) of people fall. After all, people live busy lives and understandably don't necessarily think much about (relatively) distant happenings.

Scenario 4 is where the rubber, morally speaking, really meets the road (or street). If you're not feeling outrage at this point, I'd suggest you'd be well advised (IMO) to examine the foundations and underpinnings of your personal moral sense.

Scenario 5, it's fair to say, is where 99.999% of people will absolutely have feelings of anger, outrage, grief, etc. However, if that's the ONLY scenario that moves you, and if every other scenario gets a "shit happens" (or similar) response from you, that's a hugely sad commentary on your moral sense, IMO.

BTW, in NONE of the above scenarios do I pretend to have the right to tell anyone how they SHOULD feel. An individual's feelings are entirely up to them. However, what the experiment illustrates is that there is a spectrum in the moral dimension, and also that there are ways in which you can assess, for yourself, approximately where you fall on that spectrum.

Also, while everyone is entitled to their own feelings, and entitled to NOT be lectured about how they SHOULD feel, it's perfectly fair to make assessments based on what people have said for themselves. As one example, for the PutinFanBoyz who exult and applaud events like the one described above, I would argue that the moral labels "evil" and "reprehensible" are appropriate. For those who feel nothing until scenario 4, I would argue that the moral labels "obtuse," or perhaps "blind," could be used. Finally, for someone who can't be bothered to have feelings until the events of scenario 5 splatter blood on their own shoes, I would argue that the moral label "cripple" applies.

Everyone can judge and evaluate for themselves. And, if anyone thinks the experiment is flawed, in either its premises or design, I'm happy to debate the topic.

**Jmsuttr** · 05-16-23 17:38

Originally Posted by Questner [View Original Post]

After being rebuffed the Pope gives a celestial advice to a delusional clown, 'You have to hide'.

Definition: Putin FanBoy who believes his own propaganda.

Perfect example of delusion vs reality from last night's missile attack on Kyiv. Six supposedly "unstoppable" Kinzhal hypersonic missiles were successfully intercepted. Another nail in the coffin of the reputation of Russia's military hardware. And a huge nail in the coffin for the future of Russia's military export industry.