Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Jmsuttr]

Without a doubt, but it begs the question, where did you get the idea that a monger forum is a good place to find integrity? LOL Wink.

When people have the cloak of anonymity, their true nature comes out. They have no masks, no facades, and no social pressures to constrain them.

When there's a debate about a contentious topic, you can see exactly who is honest, reasonable, logical, etc. And you can clearly see who is not.

And I think that's proven true right here, as the vast majority of comments in this forum have been just fine. There have really only been a couple of pathetic losers who regularly resort to ad hominem and dishonesty, and everyone knows exactly who they are.

[Golfinho]

Congratulations.

Destroyed. Along with the nazi criminals, err evacuated freedom fighters who preferred to face trial in the Donetsk Republic which has the death penalty.

[Paulie97]

Congratulations.

It took three months, but after tucking tail and running out of Kyiv and Kharkiv, getting nowhere in the Donbas, and 20 K+ dead soldiers, more than was lost in nine years in Afghanistan, the "super power" finally has something to cheer about, Mariupol, a port city a few miles from their border. And they blew up 20 K plus civilians in the process. It's too bad this fell short of the May 9 celebration, quite a muted affair indeed. Wink.

[Jmsuttr]

Paging comrade Krugman for third-party confirmation.

Here's the quote, in context:

"By pointing out Mariupol's proximity to Russia, and the fact that it's taken nearly 3 months to overcome Ukrainian resistance, the clear conclusion is that any portrayal of it as a notable Russian "victory" is ludicrous.

And, at the time of my earlier post, there were conflicting reports as to whether all of the Ukrainian forces has surrendered or left. Please forgive me if I find your reference to an exclusively Russian source as less than persuasive. I prefer to wait for third-party confirmation, or the passage of a sufficient amount of time, as I never base any conclusion on official reports by either side".

So, as is incontestably apparent, to all but the delusional and (or) dishonest, the "third-party confirmation" phrase clearly refers to matters of fact. In this particular case it concerned the actual status of Ukrainian troops in Mariupol because, unlike your reliance on Russian propaganda, I refuse to rely on official sources from either side.

Once again you've dropped your pants and revealed how pathetic and puny your (intellectual) equipment is. Maybe you should invest in a prosthetic?

Or perhaps the problem is that you simply have difficulty differentiating fact from opinion? Here's a primer: Facts refer to things like reality-based events and circumstances that can be objectively verified. And, since objectivity is key, parties who have their own agendas are inherently problematic and confirmation by a reliable third party is both desirable and appropriate. None of that applies to matters of opinion. In that arena, there is no such thing as third-party "confirmation" because that only means that you've found another person who happens to agrees with a certain opinion.

Big fucking deal and so fucking what! You could have a million people agreeing with one side of a debatable issue (like the effects of Russian sanctions) and that still doesn't make it right. Debates are won by evidence and logic. But I guess those two concepts are like a foreign language to you, as is honesty. It must really suck for those in your circle of family and (if you have any) friends to have to endure the odious presence someone with your deceptive and manipulative tendencies. You should conduct an anonymous poll of your associates. I'm betting the results would be mind-blowingly, off-the-charts, negative. Oh, and I'd be happy to volunteer for third-party confirmation!

[PedroMorales]

Krugman? That's your idea of third party confirmation? LOL. A prime example of the Nobel Dynomite awards degenerated to political theatre.

For the Nobel Peace Prize (for not invading Austria). Obama, Mr Drone Man, was given it for being a whiter shade of non-pale. Kissinger was given it for murdering Vietnamese children. Our Hasbara troll here should get it for his non stop BS. After all Winston Churchill, the Anglo American drunk, got the Nobel Prize for Literature because the Peace one was already taken.

You got to love Americans, the most stupid fatties on the planet. That said, the question: who gets it right more often: the Simpsons or South Park? I go with South Park though I am not really a cartoon guy.

Funny all these attacks on peace maker Vlad Putin. Anyone know why he walks with a stiff right arm? (to stay near his gun, standard KGB operating procedure). Putin and his pals saved Russia, good people. Now they are saving Ukraine. And sending their remaining shit to Israel.

The game goes on but not, for the moment for me as I am still nursing injuries (age). I might watch a little of Scarface? You know what is the best part of the best Hollywood directors? They acknowledge their debt to Mother Russia (and France, of course).

[WyattEarp]

Azovstal steel plant utterly destroyed.

Congratulations.

[Paulie97]

One of the key elements of an intellectually honest debate is accurately portraying the other person's positions and statements, even if you disagree. Engaging in distortion or, even worse, ad hominem, is a clear indication that you're unwilling or unable to debate on the merits of the argument itself.

Without a doubt, but it begs the question, where did you get the idea that a monger forum is a good place to find integrity? LOL Wink.

[Golfinho]

I prefer to wait for third-party confirmation, or the passage of a sufficient amount of time, as I never base any conclusion on official reports by either side.

Paging comrade Krugman for third-party confirmation.

[Jmsuttr]

Funny what can happen when people feel that the anonymity of a crowd enables them to speak freely. I haven't seen an estimate of the crowd size, but it appears to be in the thousands and possibly the tens of thousands.

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/russ...371-2022-05-24

And it's worth noting that St. Petersburg is one of the premier centers of ethnic Russia, and somewhere you'd expect pro-Putin sentiment to be at its highest. It'll be interesting to see what kinds of measures the Kremlin puts in place to ensure this doesn't happen again.

[Jmsuttr]

As always, posted as info for those who choose to read and decide for themselves.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...nctions-2022-5

Of course, there are those who are predisposed to ignore the content itself and attack or ridicule the authors. I think it's become quite apparent which forum members prefer to tread the path of intellectual vacuousness and vapidity.

P.S. I would also point out that this analysis makes essentially the same point as the one I posted earlier, which is that the drastic drop in goods flowing into Russia is its Achilles' Heel.

[Jmsuttr]

With a second passport and cash in hand, Gone back to Russia!

"One-third of Russian olim left Israel after 1 month with new passport, Cash.

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-705369

As I read the article, it's not talking about high-profile oligarchs but rather Russians from the other levels of Russian society. Those people have the benefit of generally being able to fly "under the radar," while anything done by an oligarch would draw attention.

IMO, any Russian opposed to the war, or worried about their country's future, has probably thought about or made plans for leaving, either temporarily or permanently. And it's not surprising to me that some would straddle the fence for as long as possible, keeping their options open but not making a final decision unless or until the exit door is about to slam shut. So my thoughts are that these returnees (to the extent they haven't burned all their bridges), with 2nd passports in hand, are part of that "straddle" group.

Their biggest problem will be if the exit door shuts suddenly and unexpectedly. Then they'll be mostly screwed. Also, if something happens to put them on the radar of authorities while still in Russia, they'll experience the same result (screwed). Notice that the article makes no mention of Ukrainian refugees similarly gaming the system.

[Golfinho]

Seems you guys are all here. Go watch it. https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1060921954507161.

Besides the American ghetto dwellers, we have some Reddit schmuck setting himself as an authority. Social media is not where to dive for the main parameters.

The mega surrenders continue.

Ukraine will probably ber divided into three part: Russian affiliated, Polish (and Romanian and Hungarian) controlled, and Zelensky's corrupt rump. Good luck bonking Nazi widows there.

Azovstal steel plant utterly destroyed. Now it looks like Detroit.

[Jojosun]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...war-in-ukraine

"For twenty years of my diplomatic career I have seen different turns of our foreign policy, but never have I been so ashamed of my country as on February 24 of this year," Boris Bondarev (Russian diplomat, now ex-diplomat) said.

"The aggressive war unleashed by Putin against Ukraine, and in fact against the entire Western world, is not only a crime against the Ukrainian people, but also, perhaps, the most serious crime against the people of Russia," (see a viewable image of the full statement in the link below).

https://unwatch.org/wp-content/uploa...0178de76bc.jpg..

The most ex senior advisor lands in Israel.

"Putin's Senior Adviser Reportedly in Israel After Leaving Russia Over Ukraine Invasion.

Russian-Jewish Anatoly Chubais was the Kremlin's special representative for ties with international organizations, and had been an architect of economic reforms and privatization under Boris Yeltsin in the 1990's."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...ion-1.10783221

[Jojosun]

With a second passport and cash in hand, Gone back to Russia!

"One-third of Russian olim left Israel after 1 month with new passport, Cash.

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-705369

[Jmsuttr]

Krugman? That's your idea of third party confirmation? LOL. A prime example of the Nobel Dynomite awards degenerated to political theatre.

That's purely a figment of your own imagination.

What I did say was:

1. Nobel laureate.

2. Economist.

3. Analysis of Russian sanctions.

And, as a factual matter, all of the above are absolutely true.

As far as the analysis itself, I posted it primarily for information purposes and, while I included a brief summary, I didn't comment on, or endorse, any of the elements of the analysis. Everyone can read and make up their own mind.

So, if you want challenge or rebut anything in the article, knock yourself out. But when you try to insinuate that there's something in a post that isn't there, you're swimming neck-deep in Pedro M's shit-filled swimming pool. Is that really where you want to be?

One of the key elements of an intellectually honest debate is accurately portraying the other person's positions and statements, even if you disagree. Engaging in distortion or, even worse, ad hominem, is a clear indication that you're unwilling or unable to debate on the merits of the argument itself.