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05-25-22 22:13 #685
Posts: 516Check out the Bondarev interview
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
In an environment that's under near-total govt control, you look for signals wherever you can find them. This is one of those, IMO, as are the spate of recent fires and "accidents" across Russia. Sabotage, especially something like fire-bombing a conscription office, is more of a younger person's cup of chai, although not always so.
It'll be interesting to see if there's any govt response to the concert, whether public or behind the scenes. Either way, I'll be watching for the next set of signaling events from the younger crowd.
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05-25-22 20:51 #684
Posts: 516Interview with recently resigned Russian diplomat, Boris Bondarev.
It's a good read and gives some insight into dysfunctions within the Russian govt, and the prevailing mentality in Moscow, from the perspective of a career officer in the Foreign Ministry.
Here's the article on the original website. It's paywalled but you should see a link at the bottom that allows you to view one article for free. If you don't see that link, try clearing cache and cookies and give it another go:
https://puck.news/ukraine-must-win-a...tor-tells-all/
If that doesn't work for you, here's an archived version:
https://archive.ph/Vh8hb
His overall conclusion: Ukraine must win!
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05-25-22 20:38 #683
Posts: 516Pedrito is a foil (or Straight Man), nothing more.
Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
Most of the time my responses are to poke fun at him, or show how Putin is a ridicule-worthy "Emperor Who Has No Clothes," or simply to ensure that his bile-filled posts don't exist in a vacuum. And, when I talk about Pedrito, I include his clone (Golfito), as well.
And I'm fine with being the "new mark" for one, or both, as I regularly give much better than they can dish out. I must confess, it is an enjoyable experience when I wipe the debate-floor with them.
Hope that clarifies things.
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05-25-22 20:25 #682
Posts: 516There's a qualitative difference between those forums and this one
Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
Left vs Right, Democrat vs Republican, and Progressive vs Conservative are division lines that have existed for a long time, and will continue to do so. I have zero interest in participating in that kind of environment.
In contrast, even though this is only a "Stupid Shit" thread on an anonymous fuckboard, there are genuine issues being discussed, many of them with important implications for people currently in Ukraine or Russia, planning to travel to either of those countries, or affected by ancillary issues.
I have no great illusions about who reads this forum. I'm well aware it caters to mongers. BUT, those mongers have regular lives, with regular families and friends, so if I'm able to find and post info they haven't seen elsewhere, I view that as a positive thing. And I similarly see it as a positive if I'm able to debunk misleading or propagandistic posts. What I care about is not leaving a vacuum that gets filled with BS by bottom-feeders like the Pedrito-Golfito twins.
And it also helps that I personally care about both countries, having had many friends and lovers (including one fiancee) from Russia and Ukraine. And I'm currently dealing with a close Ukrainian friend, from a pro-Russian area, who is struggling with divided loyalties.
In other words, if not for the real-world issues at stake, and the connections (real or potential) to actual people, I wouldn't be here. As for those other forums, and debate (or posting) for its own sake, I'm simply not interested.
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05-25-22 18:36 #681
Posts: 1678Lol
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
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05-25-22 15:35 #680
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
Given the cataclysmic events of the early 90's, one might expect older Russians to be more supportive of Russian intervention in the Ukraine. Younger Russians generally don't give a fuck.
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05-25-22 15:28 #679
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
It's kind of bizarre hearing the neo-Marxist perspective recited to attack America and the West. Putin and friends are so far removed from basic Marxist tenets on the distribution of wealth and capital. Basically, Russia over the last thirty years has stripped away the veneer of societal good from the Soviet days and revealed the brutal murderers and thugs.
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05-25-22 07:33 #678
Posts: 1678?
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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05-25-22 06:56 #677
Posts: 1678Lol
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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05-25-22 01:59 #676
Posts: 516Letter to Putin from the Council of the All-Russian Officers' Assembly
Fascinating letter which recognizes (and criticizes) the failure of the "special operation" and calls for full mobilization and total war.
https://m-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/4243623.html
Here's the opening section:
"We, veterans of the Armed Forces and special services of Russia, united in the All-Russian Officers' Assembly, together with the majority of our people, enthusiastically supported the decision of the President of the Russian Federation and Supreme Commander-in-Chief V. V. Putin on the conduct of a special military operation for the armed protection of the inhabitants of the DPR and LPR, the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. At the same time, carefully analyzing the course of almost three months of hostilities, we came to the conclusion that the special military operation that began on February 24, unfortunately, ended in failure: after a month of hostilities, Russian troops retreated from the captured bridgeheads near Kyiv, left the liberated territories in Sumy and Chernihiv regions in the north and Mykolaiv region in the south of the so-called Ukraine. All this happened under the pretext of displaying the "good will" of the President of the Russian Federation. But the question naturally arose in our minds: whose evil will was carried out by citizen V. Putin, giving the troops a humiliating order to retreat".
And there's much more. This letter is an eye-opening look at the delusion, paranoia, and warped world-view that underpin Russian support for this war, and should be required reading for anyone who believes there's a rational basis for negotiations, or common ground of any kind. In fact, these war-hawk extremists are those who, if Putin ends up getting deposed or sidelined, will most likely be responsible. And then one of their leaders will be calling the shots, both figuratively and literally.
Note: The letter is in Russian so you'll need to use your preferred translation method. Opening the link with the Chrome browser is one easy way, as the translation prompt should open automatically.
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05-25-22 01:24 #675
Posts: 516If jittery Parkinson's-Putin ever pulls his gun, no one in the room is safe!
Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
About the Nobel Prize, about 962 people have received it over the history of the awards. And, while I'm sure there are examples that can be criticized or disagreed with, awards in the scientific categories are generally recognized as indicative of expertise in that discipline.
And, when someone is honored with a prize in physics, chemistry, physiology-medicine, or economic sciences, the specific discovery or body of work is detailed. There's certainly room for questioning the Peace Prize, as that has proven to be susceptible to political and popularity foibles. But there's no specific expertise associated with that award.
For the scientific discipline categories, however, if someone wants to assert that a prize is undeserved, then it's incumbent on them to demonstrate some error or deficiency with respect to the specific discovery, or body of work, for which the award was given.
BTW, I'd nominate Putin for the Nobel Peace Prize if he'd be so accommodating as to unholster his KGB gun and blow his own fucking brains out. That would be the clearest and best path to peace. And that goes double if he'd take out Shoigu at the same time. I'd add Gerasimov, but no one's seen him lately. So I'm guessing Putin already took care of him.
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05-25-22 00:52 #674
Posts: 516Anon forums are perfect for separating those with integrity from those without it
Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
When there's a debate about a contentious topic, you can see exactly who is honest, reasonable, logical, etc. And you can clearly see who is not.
And I think that's proven true right here, as the vast majority of comments in this forum have been just fine. There have really only been a couple of pathetic losers who regularly resort to ad hominem and dishonesty, and everyone knows exactly who they are.
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05-25-22 00:51 #673
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
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05-25-22 00:50 #672
Posts: 1678Yep
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
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05-25-22 00:35 #671
Posts: 516To the list of your usual cretinisms, let's add dishonest use of partial quotes.
Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
"By pointing out Mariupol's proximity to Russia, and the fact that it's taken nearly 3 months to overcome Ukrainian resistance, the clear conclusion is that any portrayal of it as a notable Russian "victory" is ludicrous.
And, at the time of my earlier post, there were conflicting reports as to whether all of the Ukrainian forces has surrendered or left. Please forgive me if I find your reference to an exclusively Russian source as less than persuasive. I prefer to wait for third-party confirmation, or the passage of a sufficient amount of time, as I never base any conclusion on official reports by either side".
So, as is incontestably apparent, to all but the delusional and (or) dishonest, the "third-party confirmation" phrase clearly refers to matters of fact. In this particular case it concerned the actual status of Ukrainian troops in Mariupol because, unlike your reliance on Russian propaganda, I refuse to rely on official sources from either side.
Once again you've dropped your pants and revealed how pathetic and puny your (intellectual) equipment is. Maybe you should invest in a prosthetic?
Or perhaps the problem is that you simply have difficulty differentiating fact from opinion? Here's a primer: Facts refer to things like reality-based events and circumstances that can be objectively verified. And, since objectivity is key, parties who have their own agendas are inherently problematic and confirmation by a reliable third party is both desirable and appropriate. None of that applies to matters of opinion. In that arena, there is no such thing as third-party "confirmation" because that only means that you've found another person who happens to agrees with a certain opinion.
Big fucking deal and so fucking what! You could have a million people agreeing with one side of a debatable issue (like the effects of Russian sanctions) and that still doesn't make it right. Debates are won by evidence and logic. But I guess those two concepts are like a foreign language to you, as is honesty. It must really suck for those in your circle of family and (if you have any) friends to have to endure the odious presence someone with your deceptive and manipulative tendencies. You should conduct an anonymous poll of your associates. I'm betting the results would be mind-blowingly, off-the-charts, negative. Oh, and I'd be happy to volunteer for third-party confirmation!