Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[John Clayton]

Slava Ukrainia.

https://t.me/NewResistance/9723

Pure Russian propaganda.

[Golfinho]

Let's not forget how the war really started back in 2014. Of course no one is talking about these things. And we all know who is behind the coup.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fXslPCrN_9E

Slava Ukrainia.

https://t.me/NewResistance/9723

[Kozerog]

I'm with my Ukrainian girlfriend now in Chisinau. She arrived a week ago and everything is going well between us. For a short while in March / April, she was back in the small town where she grew up, living with her relatives, even had a job in her father's factory. Told me she had changed and might not be able to see me any more. Then after another month she quarreled with her relatives, returned to Kyiv and was back to her normal self. Nothing like a few months of factory work in a small town to make a girl appreciate being sponsored in the big city.

I don't try to put ideas in her head. Just let her talk. She is ethnic Ukrainian, but not nationalist. Mainly worried about the apartment in Kyiv she bought last year, which has escaped damage so far. Doesn't give a damn about Donbas or Crimea. Was complaining that Poroshenko wanted and Zelensky wants war because they can steal more that way. Also complains that all the good young men are dying (in other words, she wants options to being dependent on 30 year older foreigners like me, not that I'm surprised or offended). Bad young men (alcoholics, criminals, stupid) are not at risk because the army doesn't want them or they run off and hide in a dacha somewhere. She predicts the next generation of Ukrainians will be idiots if they keep killing the good young men while leaving bad ones alive. I disagreed: one surviving good man can impregnate 100 young women, if necessary. But not me, I have a vasectomy. Anyway, I don't think she has any interest in children. She got a cat when she turned 30 and her phone is filled with photos of the animal. (he is cute, I must admit.).

War isn't over, but the outcome is increasingly obvious. At the current rate of bleeding, Ukraine will be in no position to launch a counter-attack. New USA artillery enough to stop Russian advances, but not push Russia back. So there will be a stalemate. Russia takes entire southeast, including access to Azov sea. Then they dig trenches and wait 5 years for EU to get tired of hearing about Ukraine. Meanwhile, Russia reconfigures to be immune to sanctions, thus free to cause all sorts of mischief for USA. Predictably bad result for USA, but that's what happens when silly young idealists in the State Department are let to run loose.

Prior to 2014, Ukraine was merely being pressured to accept subordination to Russia, same as Canada and Mexico are subordinate to USA. After the thug-led street putsch of 2014, as punishment for their treasonous attempt to switch from team Russia to team USA, Ukraine was deprived of Crimea and put under pressure to give Donbas some autonomy and renounce treason towards team Russia. This was the situation when Zelensky entered office. By the time Zelensky leaves office, Ukraine will presumably have lost the entire southeast (no longer an option to keep these oblasts but give them some local autonomy regarding language policy), plus it will have suffered immense human and property destruction, plus there will still be an ongoing and costly stalemate conflict. Talk about a disastrous presidency (I'm referring to Zelensky, not Putin or Biden). Maybe the USA and EU will financially bail out what remains of Ukraine, though I wouldn't count on 100% bailout.

Dramafree11 obviously doesn't think highly of Ukraine, but then neither do I, given how stupidly they have behaved these past 30 years. Neither he nor I is praising Russia. But to give another metaphor, if you live next door to a mafia boss and he tells he doesn't want people parking on the street in front of his house, it's stupid argue that he has no right to impose such rules. Is asserting your right to park where you want really worth having your windshield smashed, your skull fractured by one of his goons, your child shot in the stomach, etc?

Some stupid commentators here couldn't understand my previous metaphor about robbery, and no doubt they'll repeat their stupidity in interpreting this metaphor. The very essence of stupidity is to misunderstand threats. Stupid people can't understand anything, so they have to be taught the hard way, by physical pain. You don't know why the mafia boss wants the street kept clear. Maybe he wants to throw his weight around and show everyone he's boss, maybe he has good security reasons related to threats from other mafia bosses. Regardless, his demand is easy to comply with. If every time a mafia boss makes a small demand, you start shrieking like Chicken Little that the sky is falling and it's Hitler and 1938 all over again and next step is genocide, etc, etc then you lack judgement. Which is equivalent to saying you are a stupid fool, and hopefully you will never be given a position of responsibility in the USA. Ukraine is a fine example of what happens when stupid fools are given power. I can personally survive the destruction of Ukraine, since I'm not heavily invested there, but USA is another story.

[AlanXL]

Let's not forget how the war really started back in 2014. Of course no one is talking about these things. And we all know who is behind the coup.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fXslPCrN_9E

[PedroMorales]

NATO office boy Jens Stoltenberg, at a meeting with Finland's office boys, has said NATO will trade Ukrainian territory for peace. Too late. Ukraine must meet the demands of Russia and, if Poland and Romania ant a slice, ok. Also, the Biden family and other Americans involved in biolabs must get their day in court, a Russian court.

Stoltenberg would do best by traveling to the north of his country and camping out with polar bears, who need a feed.

Finland, meanwhile, now won't join NATO without Sweden.

Hopefully soon it will be open season.

Zelensky, the gangster who plays the piano with his cock, is abandoned, just like he abandoned his troops in the East.

Other News: There have been over two dozen mass shootings in the USA since those children were massacred in Texas. The Israelis, who are over represented in this thread, continue to slaughter and rob the natives by the day. You people are beyond contempt.

[DramaFree11]

Sure, ignore the murderous, rapacious, Z-elephant in the room. What a pathetic piece of work you are. And once again you try to pretend you're being "even-handed" when you're truly anti-Ukraine, right down to your cowardly core.

As, I said I can care less how wins, find a solution.

Both sides are terrible, Ukraine is one of the most corrupt governments ever or an Evil Dictator, pick your poison. Both sides are extremely corrupt, and we should not let them drag the worlds economy down, with there stupid decisions.

Let's do an Audit of Ukraine President and Parliament, I doubt you guys will like what we find.

[Jmsuttr]

Like I said, keep it up. It makes for some fun reading, but few of these will ever feel humiliated. That's because they have a long list of logical fallacies to fall back on. Probably the most used in monger forums is the ad nauseum or proof by repetition. In this they ignore all rebuttals and repeat the same fallacious arguments over and over. Then they save face in their minds and avoid feeling humiliated.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...-by-Repetition

How do you know they aren't the same person?

I don't. But I'm perfectly capable of humiliating one multiple-personality afflicted troll as easily as two separate ones.

It makes for some fun reading, but few of these will ever feel humiliated.

The humiliating effect of the posts is intended for the audience, rather than the humiliatee. Turning the troll into a laughingstock, an object of ridicule and derision, is the aim. I well understand that the trolls have no shame, as they lack the necessary self-awareness.

Your defensiveness is unwarranted as I wasn't thinking in terms of any "mantras. " But it does stand to reason that attention seekers will go where they are get it. It takes no keen analysis to figure that one out.

To the first part: If you don't want to provoke an (IMO) understandable defensive response, then you might want to avoid responding to posts, not directed at you, with what can reasonably be construed as a lecturing tone.

To the second part: I don't dispute the attention-seeking characterization of trolls. Rather I dispute the assumption that all of them will simply go away if ignored. It's my assertion that there's a subset of trolls, most notably the hate-filled variety, who will never go away. And that's because hate needs no outside driver or stimulus. Hate is self-perpetuating because it's motivated by twisted internal factors, and it sees the promulgation of hate as its own reward. It's like a horribly troubled child who tortures cats or pulls the wings off flies. Anyone who says it's just a phase, and will go away if ignored, is just wrong.

[Jmsuttr]

Another British has died for Slava Ukraini. Very said https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-Ukraine.html.

On the positive side, the weather is good in Kiev and everyone is out enjoying it https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-invasion.html.

Poland, a staunch ally of the Kiev Nazis, is telling its folk to forage for wood, if they don; t want to freeze next winter. One of my Polak servants tells me the price of coal has more than doubled back home. In a country that is half coal https://notesfrompoland.com/2022/06/...-energy-costs/.

Slava Ukraine: Glory hole to Zelenskys bank account. I see this utter lunatic who plays the piano with his weiner is now threatening China over Taiwan. We are being troll led by this degenerate https://www.laprensalatina.com/zelen...on-for-taiwan/.

Flash your dick, become a corrupt Ukrainian President.

https://nypost.com/2022/06/06/two-ru...ghting-report/

I wonder what the casualty list would look like if it included officers shot, blown up, or run over, by their own "loyal" Russian troops?

That reminds me, where's Gerasimov? I haven't seen any Putin-propaganda reports about his "victorious" visit to the front lines. You know, the one in which he was wounded and barely escaped with his life. Yes, that one.

And where are the accounts of front line visits by Head Orc Putin? Not even a trip to "friendly" areas? What's up with that?

Maybe there's a critical shortage of Poop-Brigade members? Hey, Pedro M, your services are urgently required!

[Jmsuttr]

I also feel they need to force Ukraine to negotiate, if they are unwilling, then there needs to be ramification.

Sure, ignore the murderous, rapacious, Z-elephant in the room. What a pathetic piece of work you are. And once again you try to pretend you're being "even-handed" when you're truly anti-Ukraine, right down to your cowardly core.

[Paulie97]

So my response is two-fold, expose their lies and humiliate them as much as I possibly can. While they may be attention-seekers, no one likes being made into a laughingstock.

Like I said, keep it up. It makes for some fun reading, but few of these will ever feel humiliated. That's because they have a long list of logical fallacies to fall back on. Probably the most used in monger forums is the ad nauseum or proof by repetition. In this they ignore all rebuttals and repeat the same fallacious arguments over and over. Then they save face in their minds and avoid feeling humiliated.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...-by-Repetition

[Jmsuttr]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nder-sanctions

Since Putin's propaganda peddlers will always paint a positive picture, it's informative to examine some real-world examples.

The first part of the article deals with automotive issues. The second part talks about aviation and contains a couple of ominous quotes from Russian pilots:

1. "One pilot who regularly covered midhaul flights to the UK and other European destinations for his airline wrote that the situation was "fucked", adding that he felt his company was ignoring safety concerns brought up by pilots on a regular basis."

2. "According to my information, some (Russian) airlines in their warehouses have enough wheels and pads for another month maximum."

The second quote is extremely interesting as, although not terribly sexy, aircraft wheels, brake pads, and similar parts, are constantly experiencing wear and tear, requiring replacement on a routine (maintenance) schedule or on an emergency basis. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see a significant incident with a Russian airline (non-missile related) in the near future. Also, as safety concerns rise, will Russian planes be denied certification for landing at airports that are currently open to them (Turkey, China, UAE, etc.)? Just another set of items to add to the Russia Collapse-O-Meter watchlist.

[Paulie97]

But, hey! You're getting very close to being promoted to a rank equivalent to Pedro M!

How do you know they aren't the same person?

[Paulie97]

Plenty of Chairborne warriors, Keyboard Commandoes and Call of Duty Rambos posting on this blog that demand the USA fight Russia. What is needed is a law identifying them and automatically drafting them into an Ukrainian legion unit that needs fresh cannon fodder!

This outburst is fallacious on it's face as it attempts to take the focus off the arguments you object to and place it on the personal characters of the persons making them. Yes, if someone comes to my city unprovoked waging war, bombing maternity wards and bread lines I'll take up weapons and defend. I likewise support our allies, the Ukrainians who wish to do the same in their cities. Having an opinion on that doesn't commit one to becoming a professional overseas mercenary, and that especially applies to the AARP members among us. There's thus no hypocrisy involved. Your fallacy is called the tu quoque, which is a take on the ad hominem.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Go back and try again, and present some arguments as to why you feel Russia is in the right, and why Ukrainians are unworthy of help and / or why the West shouldn't help them. Your buddies could use some help as they are stuck in a loop of refuted arguments and can't seem to find any new material.

[WyattEarp]

US Oil companies are also making record profits--they don't need to charge the American consumer as much as they are. Drilling more now in the USA might also not be a bad idea.

There is an old adage "the cure for high oil prices is high oil prices".

It's obvious when you break down the logic. High oil prices will encourage more global exploration and production. It does every time. We have lived through these cycles many times. Additionally, I bet sales of big ass trucks and SUVs are slowing down.

A few climate zealots will always proclaim we are running out of oil. It also doesn't help when the USA And Europe are deliberately muting the price signals to produce more gas and oil domestically.

[PedroMorales]

What color's the sky where you are?

Hasbara trolls crying about 'double standards'. You can't make this stuff up.

Another British has died for Slava Ukraini. Very said https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-Ukraine.html.

On the positive side, the weather is good in Kiev and everyone is out enjoying it https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-invasion.html.

Poland, a staunch ally of the Kiev Nazis, is telling its folk to forage for wood, if they don; t want to freeze next winter. One of my Polak servants tells me the price of coal has more than doubled back home. In a country that is half coal https://notesfrompoland.com/2022/06/...-energy-costs/.

Slava Ukraine: Glory hole to Zelenskys bank account. I see this utter lunatic who plays the piano with his weiner is now threatening China over Taiwan. We are being troll led by this degenerate https://www.laprensalatina.com/zelen...on-for-taiwan/.

Flash your dick, become a corrupt Ukrainian President.