Thread: Stupid Shit in Kyiv
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06-20-22 01:42 #906
Posts: 516Once again, pro-Russia pseudo-predictions. No surprise there.
Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]If gas goes up much more and Ukraine is unwilling to negotiate, support will dry up fast for Ukraine.
Your argument that time is on Russia's side is based solely on your cherry-picked view of the situation, in which you see everything leaning toward Russia and leaning against Ukraine. There are plenty of arguments to be made from the pro-Ukraine point of view. But they're wasted on you since you've already made up your mind.
Again, anyone who has any question about where you stand needs only to view the posts you've made since Feb 24th, the date of the Russian invasion.
BTW, please call or email the head of the Russian Central Bank, and also the CEO of Sberbank (Russia's largest bank) and educate them about how time is on Russia's side. After all, you have everything figured out, right?
https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...2a5ce559bf0055
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...ank-ceo-a78031
If these pro-Russia officials are expressing such negative assessments in public, I wonder what they're saying in private?
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06-20-22 01:32 #905
Posts: 6420True that!
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
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06-20-22 01:31 #904
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Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
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06-20-22 01:19 #903
Posts: 1956Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
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06-19-22 23:50 #902
Posts: 3228Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
My understanding is Putin felt surrounded, and that was what the Atlantic mentioned victory in Ukraine would be, a surrounded Russia. I was told that Russia had only 2 of the 9 traditional choke points against an invasion and now are in control of 5 of the 9. In addition ethnic Russians were being tortured and killed in Donbas and water was being cut off to Crimea. Add in Ukraine being in the EU and Nato, the coup of 2014, and Russiagate where the Dems demonized Putin unfairly and Ukrainegate which showed the Dems had a stranglehold in Ukraine, and far from Putin being a mad man, I can see why he felt the need for a pre-emptive strike. He is a bully but I do not see him as irrational.
Putin is a guy who took over for Yeltsin who was a drunk and ruled at a time Russians were starving. Say you what you want about him ethically, but he gets the trains to run on time almost as well as any Russian leader can. Yes, it is not a Democracy, but Russians have historically preferred a strong armed leader versus an elected one. This again is something most Westerners do not get.
The hysteria has died down. No, Russia does not look like it is going to blow up everything in sight and stop at taking areas of Ukraine where there is a predominantly Russian population. He has shown no desire to March to the English Channel as some have mentioned. The return on the $40 billion the USA has sent to Ukraine may as well have been lit on fire for all the good it will do, and our nation is suffering with higher oil and gas prices and higher food prices.
Here are two pieces which show the diametrically opposed positions: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...infrastructure.
As residents are hopeful that the crisis finally resolves Saturday, it's worth noting the irony in billions of taxpayer dollars currently being sent to places like Odessa, Ukraine. Even as Americans in places like Odessa, Texas can't even get drinkable water due to "ageing infrastructure".
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...pulations-nato
Top officials in the West warning their populations against "Ukraine fatigue", saying that 'sacrifices' must be made for the long-term despite the 'high costs' in blood and treasure of continuing to ramp up support for Ukraine. This time it's NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg making unusually blunt statements, addressing the common masses.
"We must prepare for the fact that it could take years. We must not let up in supporting Ukraine," he began by saying in an interview published Sunday by Germany's Bild am Sonntag newspaper. He stressed this should be the case "even if the costs are high, not only for military support, also because of rising energy and food prices. ".
Why do we have to help Ukraine? The whole notion that Russia was going to March onto the English Channel made no sense to me. So the French, UK, and USA are not going to nuke Russia if that happens? Since when?
The question I have for this NATO General is we know the defense industry gets a return on investing in war but do we the American people get such a return? That answer is not maybe but probably not and in that case, we should not keep committing. If a NATO country is invaded, that is another story. If you look at this economically, Putin was right. The benefit of defending Ukraine was not worth the cost.
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06-19-22 22:40 #901
Posts: 516Russia is hemorrhaging millionaires
https://www.businessinsider.com/rich...ine-war-2022-6
Wow! If everything is going great in Russia, why are so many affluent individuals intent on leaving? Ukraine has had its territory invaded, and its cities bombed, so it's understandable that people will want to avoid being in a war zone. But Russia? It hasn't been invaded and these millionaires, most of whom probably live in Moscow or St. Petersburg, are in no danger.
Again, that brings up the fascinating question about why so many are planning on leaving, are currently in the process of leaving, or have already left. Watching what people do, rather than listening to what they say, is useful in evaluating what's really going on.
A millionaire in Russia didn't get that way without being savvy, having connections, and knowing how to navigate and game the system. And, as long as they stay on good terms with Putin's power brokers, their wealth should insulate them from most inconveniences and hardships. Why would someone in that elite tranche of society decide to bail? One reason is arguably that they view their future prospects OUTSIDE of Russia as better than inside. Their money allows them to have many choices, and they've chosen to leave. Rats deserting a sinking ship, IMO, as I've posted several times before.
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06-19-22 21:32 #900
Posts: 516Russia isn't winning, no matter how self-deluded and ignorant you choose to be.
Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
Russia hasn't lost but neither have they won. And, when you're fighting for survival, it's a win for Ukraine each day they keep the invaders at bay.
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06-19-22 21:26 #899
Posts: 2794Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
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06-19-22 20:58 #898
Posts: 516Database created to identify Russian Nazi War Criminals
Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
https://russian-torturers.com/en
The trials of these war criminals can't come soon enough.
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06-19-22 20:37 #897
Posts: 516To blow a bridge is a strategic decision
Originally Posted by ReinerOtto [View Original Post]
As far as the bridges around Kyiv are concerned, Russia hasn't achieved air dominance or even air superiority during this war, and they're reportedly running low on precision-guided munitions. Ukraine has shot down quite a few missiles, although obviously not all. But my point is that it's unclear to what extent Russia can project meaningful force in the area of Kyiv.
Also, IIRC, the troops in the Kherson area aren't regular Russian army, but made up of forces from the separatist areas. That means they're less well-equipped and probably better suited to defend positions rather than to advance and take territory. If you remember, it wasn't long ago that there were concerns about an amphibious landing and coordinated attack on Odessa. That hasn't materialized and Russian efforts in the South have essentially stalled. Now that Ukraine's forces appear to be counterattacking, the next few weeks could mark a significant phase in the war.
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06-19-22 20:07 #896
Posts: 516Pedro M: A record 99% of his posts are about Medellin trannies!
Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
How hilarious it is that I've SO thoroughly kicked your ass, and repeatedly wiped the floor with it, that you're pissing yourself in a pathetic attempt to find something with which to attack me. Nothing better illustrates what a low-class scumbucket (or is that cumbucket?) you are.
Oh, and about the remaining 1% of your posts, they were deleted by the forum admins for being pointless, argumentative, wastes of bandwidth.
P.S. On the US forums I have around 1,700 posts. My reasons for posting about Kyiv and Ukraine are self-evident to anyone who doesn't have his head up his ass.
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06-19-22 19:41 #895
Posts: 516Any elaboration as to what the link is about?
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
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06-19-22 18:02 #894
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
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06-19-22 11:50 #893
Posts: 1056Do Nazis Like Mass Funerals?
Russian warships have destroyed a Ukrainian command center with Kalibr cruise missiles, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Sunday.
"More than 50 generals and officers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were killed," the statement said. According to the ministry, the strike took place near the village of Shirokaya Dacha in Dnepropetrovsk Region, Ukraine. The missiles hit the compound where commanders of several Ukrainian units had gathered for a meeting, the ministry said.
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06-19-22 08:52 #892
Posts: 500Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]