Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Xpartan]

I will say it again, I can careless who wins.

Oh yes. You'll certainly say it again. And again. And again.

One country actually was functioning and contributing. That is Russia, not Ukraine

Contributing to what? Your gas pump?

Take away Putin and it is a great place.

No shit? Take away Putin, and you get Andropov. Take away Andropov, you get Brezhnev. Take away Brezhnev, and you get Stalin. Take away Stalin, you get Lenin. Take away Lenin, and you get the generations of horrible homicidal czars. When was Russia this great livable place, this beautiful Utopia, I wonder.

Ukraine was a mess, filled with corruption. You guys refuse to recognize, just how corrupt Ukraine is and was.

And Russia wasn't and isn't?

Ask the millions that fled over the last 10-15 years, because of the corruption. The reason they left is because they had almost zero chance for a normal life or even better life in Ukraine, they had no future, because of the greed and a terrible government. Ask yourself why everyone has been leaving the county, and this has been going on for over 10 years and has nothing to do with the war, but you ignore the obvious.

Why go back 10-15 years? Over a million Russians have left after Putin started his criminal war.

I can careless what you think. This war is ruining economies and is going to cause major collateral damage.

Yes, only according to you, the country that started this homicidal war is somehow blameless. For some reason it's the victim that receives the brunt of your fury. I wonder why.

[Golfinho]

Since there's been posted links to The Atlantic, a totemic rag that no one actually reads:

https://www.unz.com/jfreud/significa...ia-china-iran/

[Golfinho]

Russia has already lost by means of their isolation, economic devastation and pariah status on the world stage.
As to the US weakening, you can only wish. Russia's debacle / suicide has only served to strengthen the West. NATO has never been stronger with more worthy participants eager to participate. Yes the US is the leader of the free world and this shows no signs of weakening. So in other words because the Ukrainian hooker you know who you think is your girlfriend.

Outside of Crimea and the Donbass Ukrainian love for democracy is very strong.

"Russia has already lost" You poor thing, you can only wish. To hear such stupendous ignorance from a character who purports to travel is understandable when he cannot imagine someone can have a Ukrainian girlfriend, she must be a hooker. Pure projection.

"Love of democracy"? Thanks for the laugh.

[DramaFree11]

Russia cannot lose, in both senses of the word cannot: they cannot lose because they can escalate to ensure victory, and they cannot afford to lose because it would have serious geopolitical repercussions. By escalate, I mean tactical nukes. If you really care about Ukraine, you should be hoping to wake up and read that 100 K of Ukraine's finest and most experienced troops were suddenly slaughtered and thus Ukraine has no choice but to negotiate for peace. 100 K young men can be easily replaced in 18 years. Tactical nuclear war could destroy Ukraine permanently. Do not hope for Ukrainian victory, because it will be short-lived.

Note that US military doctrine has always proposed tactical nukes to stop NATO from being overrun. That's a moot point nowadays, because NATO can easily defend itself with conventional weapons, but the doctrine is still there. Tactical nukes are not "beyond the pale of civilized war", in other words. Neutron tactical nukes were specifically developed by the USA in the 1970's (if I recall correctly) to kill Warsaw pact troops flooding into West Germany without destroying too much West German infrastructure.

Western civilization will indeed be weakened after the inevitable Russian victory, though Russia will be weakened much more. This war, like the botched Iraq and Afghanistan wars previously, is part of the process of USA decline from elevated position circa 1990-2010 of undisputed worldwide military supremacy to more sustainable position of powerful but not all-powerful. Next step in this decline process will be rebellion by the western Europeans, as it sinks in how badly they are being affected economically by USA policy..

Amazing post. The other issue Ukraine is facing the media and the government's will flip on them in a minute. Ukraine government has about 1-2 months to figure this out, or they are in deep shit. Public opinion will start shifting when the media starts reporting about all the corruption that is and was going on in Ukraine. Then the funds, support and weapons will dry up. The better start negotiating, or they will end up with almost nothing.

[Paulie97]

It's funny these arguments that keep coming, blaming NATO, and especially the US for the interest in democracy among Eastern Euro nations, and by extension for the war in Ukraine. The agencies of all these countries are completely ignored. Russia might have faired better if they had something to offer besides the kleptocratic, the dreary and drab, threats, and terrorist violence. Yet the fallacy persists, as if repeating it 1000's of times will make it true. A lot of countries enjoy freedom, due process and rule of law, is the name of that tune.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...-by-Repetition

[Paulie97]

Russia cannot lose, in both senses of the word cannot: they cannot lose because they can escalate to ensure victory, and they cannot afford to lose because it would have serious geopolitical repercussions. By escalate, I mean tactical nukes.

Russia has already lost by means of their isolation, economic devastation and pariah status on the world stage. At this point they can only worsen this position which will last generations. They also will not resort to nukes, tactical or otherwise as that means losing the few half-baked friends they have left.

Western civilization will indeed be weakened after the inevitable Russian victory, though Russia will be weakened much more. This war, like the botched Iraq and Afghanistan wars previously, is part of the process of USA decline from elevated position circa 1990-2010 of undisputed worldwide military supremacy to more sustainable position of powerful but not all-powerful. Next step in this decline process will be rebellion by the western Europeans, as it sinks in how badly they are being affected economically by USA policy.

This is more nonsense. One, the wars on terror needed to be fought. You'll notice we don't hear much out of Isis anymore, and these wars will continue. As to the US weakening, you can only wish. Russia's debacle / suicide has only served to strengthen the West. NATO has never been stronger with more worthy participants eager to participate. Yes the US is the leader of the free world and this shows no signs of weakening.

BTW my Ukrainian girlfriend here in Chisinau reads the news avidly everyday and volunteers comments to the effect that the Ukrainian government is filled with fanatics. She is from a village in Cherkasy oblast, as central Ukrainian ethnically as they come. I suspect there are many other Ukrainians like her, a silent minority which will eventually be a majority who are having doubts about this avoidable war (carry through with Minsk agreement), but are unable to even formulate much less express their doubts because of all the propaganda coming from Kyiv, to speak nothing of persecution of outspoken doubters. And no, I don't put ideas in her head. On the contrary, I try to avoid commenting around her, because the subject depresses me. Plus, as USA citizen, I'm ashamed of what the USA has cynically done to Ukraine.

Anecdotes? You know these are worthless as evidence, right? So in other words because the Ukrainian hooker you know who you think is your girlfriend said this, while it conveniently buttresses your anti-US, Russia propping point, so it must be true right? No wrong as it's a fallacy.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

Outside of Crimea and the Donbass Ukrainian love for democracy is very strong, as is so testified to by it's resolve and a will to fight. Traitors are relatively few and this is very unlikely to change. As to your shame as a US citizen, and so called "propaganda," seems you have a headful of lefty, Noam Chomsky esque, the US is responsible for all the evil in the world rubbish. We don't want you, but whine in an international hooker forum to your heart's content. You'll find some sympathetic ears. LOL.

[PedroMorales]

Next step in this decline process will be rebellion by the western Europeans, as it sinks in how badly they are being affected economically by USA policy.

Ain't going to happen. The Anglo American influence is too big. That is why Western Europe will have to hunt them down. And BRI totally marginalize them.

Tiny Estonia can expect a 50% drop as it is so dependent on Belarus and Russia. All to keep the incontinent Biden in the White House and Hunter Biolabs in clover.

[Kozerog]

I want the war to end with Russia withdrawing in defeat, incapable of re-emerging as an aggressive state, and paying massive reparations. The US and European economies will not collapse. Maybe you will not have money to pay your fat prostitutes, but the West will come out stronger, not weaker, with a Ukrainian victory. A Russian victory would mean a significantly weaker Western civilization.

Russia cannot lose, in both senses of the word cannot: they cannot lose because they can escalate to ensure victory, and they cannot afford to lose because it would have serious geopolitical repercussions. By escalate, I mean tactical nukes. If you really care about Ukraine, you should be hoping to wake up and read that 100 K of Ukraine's finest and most experienced troops were suddenly slaughtered and thus Ukraine has no choice but to negotiate for peace. 100 K young men can be easily replaced in 18 years. Tactical nuclear war could destroy Ukraine permanently. Do not hope for Ukrainian victory, because it will be short-lived.

Note that US military doctrine has always proposed tactical nukes to stop NATO from being overrun. That's a moot point nowadays, because NATO can easily defend itself with conventional weapons, but the doctrine is still there. Tactical nukes are not "beyond the pale of civilized war", in other words. Neutron tactical nukes were specifically developed by the USA in the 1970's (if I recall correctly) to kill Warsaw pact troops flooding into West Germany without destroying too much West German infrastructure.

Western civilization will indeed be weakened after the inevitable Russian victory, though Russia will be weakened much more. This war, like the botched Iraq and Afghanistan wars previously, is part of the process of USA decline from elevated position circa 1990-2010 of undisputed worldwide military supremacy to more sustainable position of powerful but not all-powerful. Next step in this decline process will be rebellion by the western Europeans, as it sinks in how badly they are being affected economically by USA policy.

BTW my Ukrainian girlfriend here in Chisinau reads the news avidly everyday and volunteers comments to the effect that the Ukrainian government is filled with fanatics. She is from a village in Cherkasy oblast, as central Ukrainian ethnically as they come. I suspect there are many other Ukrainians like her, a silent minority which will eventually be a majority who are having doubts about this avoidable war (carry through with Minsk agreement), but are unable to even formulate much less express their doubts because of all the propaganda coming from Kyiv, to speak nothing of persecution of outspoken doubters. And no, I don't put ideas in her head. On the contrary, I try to avoid commenting around her, because the subject depresses me. Plus, as USA citizen, I'm ashamed of what the USA has cynically done to Ukraine.

[Paulie97]

Your favorite country is every bit as corrupt, has just as much emigration, and was far more violent internally, but you never seem to say anything there. While I report about my experiences in Ukraine, you report only good things in Mexico. I guess some prostitute hasn't yet fucked you so hard in Mexico. But I will not be surprised when it happens. And when it does, I suspect you will be spewing just as much hatred there.

Drama Free likely has never set foot in Ukraine or Mexico. I mean seriously there's a reason why there's so little discussion about the smog infested Mexico City with their unshaven, hygienically challenged hookers. He claims to have been to one of the most popular destinations Medellin, Colombia and hated it, but nothing he described about the place was accurate or gave any indication that he'd been there. He disses Ukraine while ignoring Russian terrorism and their agency in starting the war. He also ignores the progress Ukraine has made toward democracy and with anti-corruption since breaking from Russia. He has no arguments, presents no evidence other than to repeat the same failed theses over and over.

Likely he's spent little time out of his mother's basement, isn't a monger, and operates here under a number of different user names. He reminds me of this twerp the Marquis de Sade who claims he has been to many countries. We asked for proof and he was caught posting 2012 vacation pics ripped from an American girls blog. ROFL In fact I'm surprised he hasn't found his way to this thread. About everyone else has, though he likely is here under a different name.

While I'm posting here's another for the Vlad sympathizer Elvis. He whines that his man Vlad is being "demonized" but he does a fine job of that all by himself. In fact terrorism / war crimes are straight from the Russo playbook. It's the way of the coward and how they wage war.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/06/28/...say-g7-leaders

[DramaFree11]

I departed Ukraine just before the war started. I never said anything different.

Russia was "functioning" as despotic kleptocracy. Which suited you just fine because all you care about is yourself. Ukraine was making rapid advancements toward democracy and rule of law.

I want the war to end with Russia withdrawing in defeat, incapable of re-emerging as an aggressive state, and paying massive reparations. The US and European economies will not collapse. Maybe you will not have money to pay your fat prostitutes, but the West will come out stronger, not weaker, with a Ukrainian victory. A Russian victory would mean a significantly weaker Western civilization.

I have bad news for you, Ukraine is now losing and it is only going to get worse. They need a solution or a compromise quickly. The longer this goes on the worse it will get for Ukraine and the world's economy. Ukraine will end up with almost nothing, but that is what they do best lose. Bidden will be powerless shortly, so they better figure something out.

[YummyPL]

Hanging out in war zone, picking up chicks makes you one of the all time biggest losers. Wait I think you also hang out in Colombia.

I want the war to end, unlike you guys, before it destroy economies. Yes, Russia was actually functioning prior to Covid and Ukraine was a shit show, how you do not know this blows my mind.

I departed Ukraine just before the war started. Meeting girls was always a side benefit for me in Ukraine. I care about the country. I have spent more than my fare share of time in war zones serving my country. You only care about your loser self.

Russia was "functioning" as despotic kleptocracy. Which suited you just fine because all you care about is yourself. Ukraine was making rapid advancements toward democracy and rule of law.

I want the war to end with Russia withdrawing in defeat, incapable of re-emerging as an aggressive state, and paying massive reparations. The US and European economies will not collapse. Maybe you will not have money to pay your fat prostitutes, but the West will come out stronger, not weaker, with a Ukrainian victory. A Russian victory would mean a significantly weaker Western civilization.

[DramaFree11]

10 years ago systematic corruption was all they ever knew. They were Russian aligned. They mostly got their information from Russian sources. They had not yet tasted true freedom or democracy. There were no real opportunities available.

Years ago (5?, 8? 10?), when some Ukrainian prostitute fucked you instead of you fucking her (him?), things were very different in Ukraine. Yes, there is still fairly high emigration now but nothing like you suggest (at least before February, 2022). But corruption has been on a very steady decline--maybe the sharpest corruption decline in the world. It is still too high, for sure. But they were going in the right direction.

You hate Ukraine because Ukraine fucked you. Not for any realities of what has been true there for the last 5 years. As Jmsuttr has written many times, your start out from a clearly anti-Ukrainian stance. Your hatred for Ukraine could not be more clear from your years of posting.

I can neither confirm nor deny whether you have truly "forgotten more about Ukraine than I will ever know. " But everything you have forgotten is very old and does not reflect the realities of what has been going on there for years. You don't know. You have done nothing but spew hatred toward Ukraine for years. You have no recent experience. You have no recent knowledge.

The two years I lived in Ukraine just before the war tells me a very different story. I might be a little surprised by the successes of the Ukrainian military. But I am not at all surprised by their passionate and dedicated fight. I am not at all surprised by the fight in the people. This is the reality I have seen for years while your have been puking hatred.

Your favorite country is every bit as corrupt, has just as much emigration, and was far more violent internally, but you never seem to say anything there. While I report about my experiences in Ukraine, you report only good things in Mexico. I guess some prostitute hasn't yet fucked you so hard in Mexico. But I will not be surprised when it happens. And when it does, I suspect you will be spewing just as much hatred there.

Hanging out in war zone, picking up chicks makes you one of the all time biggest losers. Wait I think you also hang out in Colombia.

I want the war to end, unlike you guys, before it destroy economies. Yes, Russia was actually functioning prior to Covid and Ukraine was a shit show, how you do not know this blows my mind.

[YummyPL]

Correct, were was this passion 10 years ago. Instead of leaving they should have stayed and fixed the corruption. If they would have done this they probably would, not be in this mess.

10 years ago systematic corruption was all they ever knew. They were Russian aligned. They mostly got their information from Russian sources. They had not yet tasted true freedom or democracy. There were no real opportunities available.

Years ago (5?, 8? 10?), when some Ukrainian prostitute fucked you instead of you fucking her (him?), things were very different in Ukraine. Yes, there is still fairly high emigration now but nothing like you suggest (at least before February, 2022). But corruption has been on a very steady decline--maybe the sharpest corruption decline in the world. It is still too high, for sure. But they were going in the right direction.

You hate Ukraine because Ukraine fucked you. Not for any realities of what has been true there for the last 5 years. As Jmsuttr has written many times, your start out from a clearly anti-Ukrainian stance. Your hatred for Ukraine could not be more clear from your years of posting.

Funny, I have forgotten more about Ukraine then you will ever know. First, you never talk about the corruption and how the government was stealing from everyone, including there own poor people. Secondly, you never talk about how everyone has been fleeing from the country for well over 10 years. You never bring of this up, you just conveniently forgot about it.

I can neither confirm nor deny whether you have truly "forgotten more about Ukraine than I will ever know. " But everything you have forgotten is very old and does not reflect the realities of what has been going on there for years. You don't know. You have done nothing but spew hatred toward Ukraine for years. You have no recent experience. You have no recent knowledge.

The two years I lived in Ukraine just before the war tells me a very different story. I might be a little surprised by the successes of the Ukrainian military. But I am not at all surprised by their passionate and dedicated fight. I am not at all surprised by the fight in the people. This is the reality I have seen for years while your have been puking hatred.

Your favorite country is every bit as corrupt, has just as much emigration, and was far more violent internally, but you never seem to say anything there. While I report about my experiences in Ukraine, you report only good things in Mexico. I guess some prostitute hasn't yet fucked you so hard in Mexico. But I will not be surprised when it happens. And when it does, I suspect you will be spewing just as much hatred there.

[The Cane]

This default doesn't really portend anything. The Russians have been cut-off from their foreign currency reserves. It seemed like a foregone conclusion.

It's not what it portends. It's what the impact of the sanctions portended, and continues to do so. And, there's more to come. Anyway you look at it, it's not good for Russia and its relations with other countries. We're just getting started. And if they decide to cut off the oil and gas? It will ultimately hurt them far more than it will the west. They lost the cold war last time, and they'll lose another one again. And if it gets hotter (clash with NATO)? They'll lose that too! Putin has bitten off far more than he can chew in a grave miscalculation.

[DramaFree11]

Why don't you ask yourself why Ukrainians are willing to die in order to defend their freedom?

Correct, were was this passion 10 years ago. Instead of leaving they should have stayed and fixed the corruption. If they would have done this they probably would, not be in this mess.