Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[DramaFree11]

Yes, my friend. You right. I like your style and your optimism. Our life is too short to be pessimistic. I agree with you in almost all the key points of this topic. Yes. That is, you will never experience such sensations and sexual emotions in Kiev or Kharkov, as in Thailand, but in Thailand you will not get those rare moments of pleasure in Ukraine. Kiev cannot give you so many Asian hot bodies and Asian pussies working. Who work from morning to evening. It's just mass prostitution. Rural population and girls from small Thai towns go to prostitution en masse. It has become a folk tradition. This is just a job. Asian job. You just have to understand that Kiev can never be the second,white, Bangkok, not because Kiev is very rich and rich and Ukraine is a prosperous country. Not. Not because. Ukraine is a poor country. A lot of poverty. This is just a different mentality. Experienced guys, veterans of Kiev hunting from Canada and The United States, has long written about this there. . Never hundreds and thousands of beautiful golden-haired Ukrainian women and girls will not take to the streets in Pattaya and will not laugh. Ukraine is Europe. You can fuck this beautiful 19 year old female student in your rented apartment in the center of Kiev. You can splash her face with sperm if you like it. Or persuade her to CIM if she need more money. Or anal sex. Such a girl as in this photo. I like this Russian or Ukrainian home porn. The guy and the girl in the poor apartment. You can also fuck such a girl in Ukraine.

Awesome report, great summary.

[Tomek123]

Admit it, Rog123, just like me, you are hopelessly addicted to this City. Easy to be, as per my subjective perception it is one of the best in the whole world.

I travel to Kiev since 1986. Regularly since 2003 with increasing frequency for longer and longer stays with every year passing. Found quite a few allies on this Forum and made friends on Viber and IRL in Kiev.

I have been to River Palace, Mandarin, Restown, and other places that do not exist anymore. One of all-time favorite girls I found at River Palace the night before departure to the airport. Yes, that wonderful place is gone, the whole City is different, but new faces and hot spots are emerging relentlessly.

Firmly addicted to young Ukrainian ladies myself, I spoke to five of them over different messengers today after being away from Kiev for almost four months now. Despite the challenges, overall I am definitely not on the losing side, and have no desire to change. Love Kiev, and it surely shows. To be continued.

Yes, my friend. You right. I like your style and your optimism. Our life is too short to be pessimistic. I agree with you in almost all the key points of this topic. Yes. That is, you will never experience such sensations and sexual emotions in Kiev or Kharkov, as in Thailand, but in Thailand you will not get those rare moments of pleasure in Ukraine. Kiev cannot give you so many Asian hot bodies and Asian pussies working. Who work from morning to evening. It's just mass prostitution. Rural population and girls from small Thai towns go to prostitution en masse. It has become a folk tradition. This is just a job. Asian job. You just have to understand that Kiev can never be the second,white, Bangkok, not because Kiev is very rich and rich and Ukraine is a prosperous country. Not. Not because. Ukraine is a poor country. A lot of poverty. This is just a different mentality. Experienced guys, veterans of Kiev hunting from Canada and The United States, has long written about this there. . Never hundreds and thousands of beautiful golden-haired Ukrainian women and girls will not take to the streets in Pattaya and will not laugh. Ukraine is Europe. You can fuck this beautiful 19 year old female student in your rented apartment in the center of Kiev. You can splash her face with sperm if you like it. Or persuade her to CIM if she need more money. Or anal sex. Such a girl as in this photo. I like this Russian or Ukrainian home porn. The guy and the girl in the poor apartment. You can also fuck such a girl in Ukraine. Now it's harder than in 2004 . Yes. Before these girls were ready for anything in bed. And Kiev hotels and apartments were trembling with sounds and screams. These times are gone forever. And the fuck of some little bald lawyer or doctor from Canada, they licked like the most delicious ice cream. It was like the discovery of america by Columbus. And these times are gone. We all remember these times. These tall girls with radiant skin in high heels. Along with some kind of real estate agent from Sweden or Denmark. Their tight Ukrainian narrow pussies and hot mouths made happy in bed not one and not two western not the most successful guys. These girls were like models. How much western sperm is left at that time in Kiev. You could probably create an artificial lake near Kiev from this sperm. But all good things never last too long. Exhausted by aggressive feminism and ugly harmful Western women, a Western man seemed to have fallen into some sort of oriental tale. In the West, a lot of money, and feminism, and a lot of unhappy single men. And a lot of sperm in the testicles. And in Ukraine, poverty, and many hot beautiful tight pussies and skillful mouths. And a little feminism. Now it is a little more in Ukraine than in those glorious times. It was a great combination. And what is also important. It was white European pussies. Not Asian workhorses. Like an erotic dream during teenage pollution. But all good things never last too long.

The UA girls were also happy. Then. In 2004 . When they abolished the visa regime. It did Yushchenko. Here they are foreigners. Now they don't need a visa. Now you don't need to become a sex slave in a Turkish brothel on the outskirts of Istanbul. You don't need to risk it. You don't need to go to it is unknown to then buy a Gucci handbag or expensive underwear. This can be obtained without risk to life and health. Because thousands and foreigners came to Kiev and then to Kharkov. And now any tall beautiful student can buy good shoes for herself or cosmetics. You just need to work a little with your pussy and mouth. In the room a hotel or a rented apartment. Without the risk of being sold into slavery. And here they are, beautiful panties from a fashionable boutique. Or shoes. And your boyfriend still does not know anything. You just need to take off your panties and stand a little in the pose of a dog in a rented apartment. And work with your tongue and mouth. You don't need to change your life and become a prostitute. And in the evening you go with your favorite boyfriend in a cafe or cinema. New expensive panties bought in a boutique yesterday cover up your pussy. Everyone is happy. A doctor or teacher from Finland is happy. You are happy. And your boyfriend is also happy. He knows nothing. And you do not need to go to the Turkish brothel. But these days are gone. But does this mean that Kiev has died forever? No. Ukraine will still be the poorest country in Europe for a long time. It will always be something like European mexico. And Russia will never let Ukraine go. Russia will always create problems and never allow Ukraine to become a rich European country. Which means tight pussies and hot skillful mouths will be for a long time. It just won't be as easy as before. There will be more courage. More activity. You will need to travel more often to Ukraine. To be open and sociable. That is, Ukraine should become for you something like a native country. You need more effort. If you do not have free time, then of course Asia or Colombia is better.

P.S.

(these photos are from home Russian or Ukrainian porn. In Ukraine and Russia there are really a lot of beautiful girls. Probably this combination of different blood and peoples. Nomads. Slavs. Wikings. This is a cocktail. So many beautiful women. .)

[PhotoSlider]

I can go anywhere I want in the summer for my main yearly vacation and I'll Be back to Kiev for the fourth year in a row. Anyone can see from my post history that I post truthful reports and have visited most of the top mongering spots. So why would I continue to come back? I never even experienced the "glory days" of Kiev as my first trip was six years ago. For me this is the best spot for young attractive semi pros who give GFE experience.

Admit it, Rog123, just like me, you are hopelessly addicted to this City. Easy to be, as per my subjective perception it is one of the best in the whole world.

I travel to Kiev since 1986. Regularly since 2003 with increasing frequency for longer and longer stays with every year passing. Found quite a few allies on this Forum and made friends on Viber and IRL in Kiev.

I have been to River Palace, Mandarin, Restown, and other places that do not exist anymore. One of all-time favorite girls I found at River Palace the night before departure to the airport. Yes, that wonderful place is gone, the whole City is different, but new faces and hot spots are emerging relentlessly.

Firmly addicted to young Ukrainian ladies myself, I spoke to five of them over different messengers today after being away from Kiev for almost four months now. Despite the challenges, overall I am definitely not on the losing side, and have no desire to change. Love Kiev, and it surely shows. To be continued.

[DramaFree11]

You haven't been to Kiev in more than three years. You must be the mongering Mother Theresa. You care so much about others. I'm calling BS. You just like attention and to get under people's skin. Kudos to you for doing a great job at achieving your goal.

I can go anywhere I want in the summer for my main yearly vacation and I'll Be back to Kiev for the fourth year in a row. Anyone can see from my post history that I post truthful reports and have visited most of the top mongering spots. So why would I continue to come back? I never even experienced the "glory days" of Kiev as my first trip was six years ago. For me this is the best spot for young attractive semi pros who give GFE experience.

Great report as always. I am not the one asking for referrals and giving out bad or inaccurate information. I have forgotten more about Kiev then you or your partner in Kiev will ever know. I do not need attention, read my review of other destinations I travel too, I never ask for referrals. Also, you constantly complain about my reports, the truth I am in a major Mongering Destination every 10-14 days and actually write reviews. I was banging hot Ukraine Girls in Moscow, way better looking then the girls I was meeting in Kiev. I tell guys where they can get 7's and above for the same price you guys are paying for 5's and 6's in Kiev. There is actually a night life where I go, you guys tell guys to go to a place with zero night life and empty Bars / Discos. Wait I forgot you could not get into Famous, interesting, myself and my friends had VIP access there, what shock. If you think there is Hot girls there you are in complete denial, just normal girls dressed up.

You are telling guys to go to average Destination at best, I telling guys to strive for more, much better destinations, for the same price. Keep up the positive attitude, and the great information.

[Member #4722]

Great point! You and others give great pointers and I give you credit because you meet girls on the street and in real life. Other continue to fabricate and exaggerate about Kiev. They want to keep this illusion alive of Kiev, of 10-20 years ago. They continue to double and triple down or there point of views. The refuse to listen to facts and they use these ridiculous formulas to try and prove there point. If this would stop I would stop posting. I just do not want to see a newbies get screwed over in Kiev and that real possibility. This is the only reason I post on Kiev page.

You haven't been to Kiev in more than three years. You must be the mongering Mother Theresa. You care so much about others. I'm calling BS. You just like attention and to get under people's skin. Kudos to you for doing a great job at achieving your goal.

I can go anywhere I want in the summer for my main yearly vacation and I'll Be back to Kiev for the fourth year in a row. Anyone can see from my post history that I post truthful reports and have visited most of the top mongering spots. So why would I continue to come back? I never even experienced the "glory days" of Kiev as my first trip was six years ago. For me this is the best spot for young attractive semi pros who give GFE experience.

[IMembr]

Funny thing about game in the P4P world is we all employ it one way or another without thinking about it too much. In fact, it is directly or indirectly the SUBJECT of most questions and answers about the P4P scene on these boards:

If you refuse to Pay Upfront, that's game.

If you show up at clubs when they are closing on the assumption the girls left over will be more needy, that's game.

If you show up at places like Thermae in Bkk on the 31st of the month, the night before rent is due and you are especially fond of doing it on rainy nights, that's game.

If you walk into a club smiling when in fact you really aren't thinking of anything particularly humorous, that's game.

Now I disagree with this almost entirely. Then again the definition of "game" may be different to everyone. Maybe. OK, well no. Having game is not refusing upfront payment or smiling in a club. Do you really want to issue points for just showing up?

Having game is just 1 aspect. It is not the aspect. If a girl has already decided condoms only and no A+, nothing will change that. For other girls, it may be something as simple as a guy having a small cock. Other times, it may be money. It can also be if a guy is nice or had some "game". For you to spend some time trying to prop up "having game" while shooting down -money- and throwing Monkey Paw as your 1 and only example is just plain wrong. Even you know it comes down to many factors. Instead you'd rather prop up your ego. LMFAO.

You. Bring up 2's (why would you even bring this up? Do you like to bring up extreme examples?) and call it my standard. Why? I never mentioned my standard. I'm a tech guy from California. And guess what. Having lots of money gets a lot of 8+. But I'm also realistic. Must of the time in the negotiation, the girl will ask for more money for other services. And that right there tells you what the motivation is. What else would it be?

Convincing a girl to do something in the P4P world doesn't take a lot of "game". These girls have heard it all before. It's a roll of a dice finding one who is sexually open than anything. This forum is also filled with rants about bad service because. Starfish. Do you blame the guy's game here?

I suppose the question is. Just how much a guy's ego needs to be fed while also getting laid. That's the real argument here.

[DramaFree11]

Yes, you dudes, please stop hiting and jelling at each other! That can be done in the "fuck shit Kiev" forum!

Here we go for fights and aggressive discussions - http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4028-Stupid-Shit-in-Kiev

Let's keep silent and peasful here in this forum

Great point! You and others give great pointers and I give you credit because you meet girls on the street and in real life. Other continue to fabricate and exaggerate about Kiev. They want to keep this illusion alive of Kiev, of 10-20 years ago. They continue to double and triple down or there point of views. The refuse to listen to facts and they use these ridiculous formulas to try and prove there point. If this would stop I would stop posting. I just do not want to see a newbies get screwed over in Kiev and that real possibility. This is the only reason I post on Kiev page.

[Michi T]

I thought we are here on the Forum to help each other, not to trap.

BTW, do you know a reliable repair shop to replace an iPhone battery in Kiev?

That part of Ukraine is very interesting indeed. It still has the Turkish name "Budzhak", meaning the corner, or maybe even a nook. A mix of Romanian / Moldavian, Ukrainian, Russian, Jewish and even some leftovers from Mongolian invasion back in XIII century. Girls are beautiful though!

I wouldn't recommend anybody going there for mongering unless you have strong connections. I went with yet another 20 years old, who now is in Kiev. Memories make the life worth living.

Yes, you dudes, please stop hiting and jelling at each other! That can be done in the "fuck shit Kiev" forum!

Here we go for fights and aggressive discussions - http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4028-Stupid-Shit-in-Kiev

Let's keep silent and peasful here in this forum

[DramaFree11]

And I thought you would be trapped. And answer me that you have already been there.

The fact is: $ 100 for a meeting is portrayed as ridiculous. Instead, a used iPhone 6 or 6's is proposed. But this is already available for $ 150. I already mentioned the source. Of course, there are phones of different qualities. But a Ukrainian knows the true value. So $ 150. Because top quality is not expected. But here a value of $ 200 to $ 300 was given for such a phone. That's not true. So the $ 150 for such a phone is closer to the $ 100. About which you laughed. Here you are still trying to save money. And $ 150 is still not $ 300. Which were proposed for a meeting "in 2019".

Misterxxx,

You are wasting you time with this guy. He just likes to argue, he refuse to admit he is wrong and refuses to see the other side of anything. Sometimes I wonder if he is even goes to Kiev, the place that I use to love, but everyone has to admit to the decline, but he refuses. He is good at calling escorts and yelling at the operator. I have said, this before he has no regard for Newbies when he makes crazy statements.

Here is an example of some of the latest:

1. Kiev is better then 10 years ago.

2. I can have 3 9's in weekend.

3. Send guys to clubs that are empty and have been empty for years.

4. Refers guys to GIA.

5. Thinks it is funny when girls ask for money.

6. Does not bother him about the bait / switch.

Listen Kiev is good if you can find girls for less then $150 for multiple hours, but anything more is a complete rip off to bang 6's or lower.

[PhotoSlider]

And I thought you would be trapped. And answer me that you have already been there.

I thought we are here on the Forum to help each other, not to trap.

BTW, do you know a reliable repair shop to replace an iPhone battery in Kiev?

That part of Ukraine is very interesting indeed. It still has the Turkish name "Budzhak", meaning the corner, or maybe even a nook. A mix of Romanian / Moldavian, Ukrainian, Russian, Jewish and even some leftovers from Mongolian invasion back in XIII century. Girls are beautiful though!

I wouldn't recommend anybody going there for mongering unless you have strong connections. I went with yet another 20 years old, who now is in Kiev. Memories make the life worth living.

[PhotoSlider]

And I thought you would be trapped. And answer me that you have already been there.

As Arnold Schwarzenegger said in "Commando" if I am not mistaken:

- You forgot to say "please".

Yes I have been to the border with Romania, as already has been stated. Doesn't make me more important.

A used telephone can break.

Everything breaks eventually. Girl may drop and break glass on new iPhone XS, and that would cost much more to fix than buying a phone at Radio Rynok. And all of it is not my problem.

That iPhone5 that I gave away is still working. Surrogate mother-in-law is very happy. When it breaks, she'll throw it away. It was free, no money transaction executed. She has separate working Droid phone. Same with the girl in question.

Yes these are LTRs, but I am not obligated. If I am around, I'll help fixing it. If I still like and trust the girl, I may even transfer her funds remotely using Ukrainian banking system, but I very rarely do that. Prefer to give money face-to-face, and get a DFK with continuation in return.

Such a problem can affect the good relationship. A very simple girl from the country can be impressed. But a girl from Kiev? In no way. Or do you go to a second-hand clothes shop with your girls?

I do not go to any clothes shops with my girls. And I don't care if they go to second hand on their own with the money I give them. In fact, I prefer them without any clothes.

This particular girl is not from Kiev, certainly is not simple, and is not demanding. We enjoy each other company and together with or without money transactions. That is why it is LTR. Most of my contacts aren't from Kiev originally, with rare exceptions, but they reside in the Capitol now. More convenient for everybody.

I do not pay much attention to origin or pedigree. Young Ukrainian ladies quite often impress with their IQ and how mature they are, how developed mentally, regardless of where they are from. I do not believe you think of a country girl, or a simple girl as a somebody not good enough. I like them all. Simple and sophisticated.

This girl instead of playing a lottery with a random seller at Radio Rynok trusts that my used phone will work for another couple years. I most likely will not be around when the time comes to replace it with the new phone. Only a handful of girls stay with me longer than 3-5 years. Some get married, get a job, some change too much, or simply disappear without a notice. Normal process of evolution. There's enough fish in the see.

Apparently you and I have different perception of reality, and that is perfectly fine. As one wise person said here on the Forum:

- The World would be a boring place, if everybody was exactly the same.

You are entitled to have your opinion. IMHO we are getting into too much detail discussing very simple matter. I already got my answers from Horny American in a very concise form.

[Misterxxx]

Ukraine doesn't have border with Bulgaria. It's a common misconception...

And I thought you would be trapped. And answer me that you have already been there.

The fact is: $ 100 for a meeting is portrayed as ridiculous. Instead, a used iPhone 6 or 6's is proposed. But this is already available for $ 150. I already mentioned the source. Of course, there are phones of different qualities. But a Ukrainian knows the true value. So $ 150. Because top quality is not expected. But here a value of $ 200 to $ 300 was given for such a phone. That's not true. So the $ 150 for such a phone is closer to the $ 100. About which you laughed. Here you are still trying to save money. And $ 150 is still not $ 300. Which were proposed for a meeting "in 2019".

In addition: A used telephone can break. What do you do when the phone stops working a month later? Total loss. The girl will be upset. But you would like to continue to meet the girl. What does the plan look like? Will you give $ 300 for the last meeting? And take the phone back? Or $ 100 or $ 150 or $ 200? A new phone is being repaired by the store. Minimum: A used, no longer functioning phone will cause costs. About that the girl will be annoying. Even if a repair costs only 500 UAH.

Such a problem can affect the good relationship. A very simple girl from the country can be impressed. But a girl from Kiev? In no way. Or do you go to a second-hand clothes shop with your girls?

[PhotoSlider]

I think I know the Ukraine better than most people in the forum. How much time did you spend in the Ukraine? Several years? Like me? You were in the Ukraine when the Maidan burned? Like me? Do you know Kiev as it was over 20 years ago? Or 10 or 5 years ago? Did you travel through the Ukraine? From Lviv and Lutsk to Crimea? To Kharkiv, Zaporishe, Donetsk and Odessa? To the border to Bulgaria? And also to the small towns?

Ukraine doesn't have border with Bulgaria. It's a common misconception. Doesn't really matter. Lets' call it a border with Romania. Yes I did go all the way to Danube River, where people speak an interesting mix of languages.

Yes I know Ukraine for more than 30 years now, and was in Kiev in 1986, the Chernobyl year. I stayed downtown at my GFs apartment at that time. She is nowhere near even a hint of semi-pro or anything.

I did hitchhiking for free with a different civilian GF in 1987 all the way from north of Kharkiv through Kremenchug to Odessa and back with a stop-over in Kiev. She was gorgeous in her mini-skirt helping to stop truck-trailer drivers. One night near Aleksandria or Kirovograd we stayed overnight in the village, just knocked on the door, and the old lady let us sleep in her barn. In the morning she brought us fresh cherries for breakfast. As you know, in Ukraine this is nothing special. God bless that old lady!

I have been to Crimea too many times, at least since 1987, and for another 6 weeks as late as September 2013 before the annexation.

I wish I went to Lviv, Uzhgorod, and many great cities in the West. Somehow I get stuck with girls in Kiev.

Yes, obviously you traveled more than me, and have justified claims on superiority. That's fine. This is not about whose dick is thicker and longer. This is Kiev Forum, as relevant as traveling through all of Ukraine might be.

I prefer that girls from remote towns and villages come to Kiev, and I meet them there. Prostitutes or not. I certainly differentiate, but there is a wide spectrum range in Kiev going from complete prudes to outright pros, and that attracts me personally.

IMHO it is much easier for an average member of this Kiev Forum to go to Kiev and stay in Kiev entertaining himself. There are separate threads for venturing outside.

Where are you looking for an iphone in Kiev? On the Internet? Many of the prices are negotiable. In a shop in the center? That's the wrong place. Go to the suburbs. Or just Radio Rynok. Even there, all prices are not fixed.

Again, you are completely missing the point.Yes Kiev is flooded with all kinds of smartphones, of various quality and price.

I do not look anywhere to buy. I already have very good iPhone 6's 128 GB for free, that I do not need. It looks like new, with box and everything. My guess in Kiev it is at least 200 USD. The girl in question would prefer to pocket the difference between 6's and X or even new 8. And I agree with her, even though we never discussed it. It is difficult to earn money for a student in the college 2-3 hours away from Kiev. And I misspoke, it is not refurbished, it is used. Maybe I should replace the battery, and with that I actually would like to use your advise. Do you know a reliable repair shop? I cannot use a random one, because my friends experienced a different levels of repair quality in Kiev.

IMO 6's was the best iPhone made by Apple, and it has been discontinued. New 6's is not being sold as of September 2018. Too bad. At some point it will not run newer iOS and apps. That is the main logical reason to have a newer model, besides it being a status symbol like Michael Kors purse and shit.

In the past I gave away my retired and perfectly working iPhone 5 mongerphone. Funny, I gave it to mother of my GF in Cherkassy. I asked if after that I should marry her.

Is this young lady my mistress? Well, usually labeling someone a mistress has a connotation of exclusivity. I like my dynamically revolving harem. Right now she is a top 5. Maybe top 3 girl in that harem. I like her a lot. IMO $200-300 for a few nights, that already happened, is more than reasonable. We shall see how much more I will see her, and how I can further help with her tuition. BTW, thanks much to Horny American for staying on the subject, and approving my approach.

Also, as has been said here on the Forum, smart girls in Kiev do not like when money is spent elsewhere, they do watch monger expenses and react. For example, when I used to go to Rio with some of my GFs, they watched very attentively, and objected fiercely to any tips to dancers, literally hissing at them.

[Misterxxx]

Mistress, this is the norm, this guy make the crazy statements all the time. He simply does not care and has had little regard for newbies by his post, his statements do not give accurate picture of Kiev. He thinks it is funny when girls ask him for money or when he is a victim of bait and switch.

I think I know the Ukraine better than most people in the forum. How much time did you spend in the Ukraine? Several years? Like me? You were in the Ukraine when the Maidan burned? Like me? Do you know Kiev as it was over 20 years ago? Or 10 or 5 years ago? Did you travel through the Ukraine? From Lviv and Lutsk to Crimea? To Kharkiv, Zaporishe, Donetsk and Odessa? To the border to Bulgaria? And also to the small towns?

The problem with reality is that you have spent most of your time with prostitutes. Professionals. Or semi-professionals. Not with normal people. The ideas of these girls are different. These girls want to rise. At least financially. In the company of these girls you will never experience the Ukrainian reality.

Where are you looking for an iphone in Kiev? On the Internet? Many of the prices are negotiable. In a shop in the center? That's the wrong place. Go to the suburbs. Or just Radio Rynok. Even there, all prices are not fixed.

[DramaFree11]

I know well, but why do you know that I know?

It is obvious by your posts you know what you are doing. Unlike others you do not exaggerate or fabricate your stories. I give you credit for not paying as myself and others do, so keep up the good work.