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06-06-22 23:15 #767
Posts: 132What shoud I say
Who wants war, and we can safely say Russia started, true.
But no one is trying to stop it.
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
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06-06-22 23:13 #766
Posts: 132Exactly.
If you read my first post, probably you would have got the point.
I am not bothered about who started the war or who is fighting.
War is bad for sure, and its extremely worse for the common people.
Now it comes to the question of NATO, Why didn't NATO support Ukraine directly, and we could have hoped optimisticaly, that would have stopped the war? Or by now reached a negotiation?
Then we might say, Ukraine is not a NATO member? Kuwait, Vietnam, S Korea to name a few none of them where. In reality if NATO wants to help, they can!
That is the point, there is business in war, more than saving people and ending war.
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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06-06-22 23:06 #765
Posts: 132Try again!! True
US fought more wars than any other country after WWII, I guess that is a fact.
The fact is I am not worried about who is at war, but the common people is who will suffer in the end.
Lot of us will debate on the ideologies.
Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
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06-06-22 23:01 #764
Posts: 132Why not mentioned Russia?
I didn't mention Russia, as its mentioned all over here.
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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06-06-22 16:24 #763
Posts: 516An under-the-hood look at economic developments in Russia
You'll appreciate the pun when you watch the short video included in the thread:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...657124352.html
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06-05-22 22:29 #762
Posts: 746Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
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06-05-22 22:18 #761
Posts: 1955Originally Posted by VinDici [View Original Post]
Russia has recognized Ukraine's borders AT LEAST 4 times in the last 30 years.
1. 1991: Russia recognizes Ukrainian independence.
2. 1994: Budapest Memorandum.
3. 1997: Russian–Ukrainian Friendship Treaty.
4. 2010: Kharkiv Pact.
What else do they want to realize that Russia can't be trusted. Sign anything with them, and they'll use the break to regroup and start again. They don't give a shit about Donbass, they came to Ukraine FOR Ukraine.
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06-05-22 16:19 #760
Posts: 323Turkey or Israel could mediate.
However, there is little reason to believe in any good faith from the Russian side since there is not one agreement standing they have respected with Ukraine. I think only a resounding defeat of Russia will be the end of this war, otherwise Russia will simply regroup and do the same again whilst lying in the faces of the International community.
Only way to curtail it's power to wean away the reliance on Russian resources, and ensure that long term, technologies like microchips are not exported to Russia.
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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06-05-22 05:05 #759
Posts: 516UKR OK with UK, but RU not OK with UK.
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
Does Switzerland's neutrality allow it to serve in a mediator role? Other than the Swiss, it's hard to think of another country in Europe that hasn't formally or informally chosen a side.
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06-05-22 03:37 #758
Posts: 1955Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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06-04-22 20:40 #757
Posts: 516Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
And, as I see it, that's not so much a prediction as an observation. To me it's similar to seeing someone who painted themselves into a corner. You can't predict exactly what pattern of steps they'll follow, but you can safely observe that there's no path out of the corner that avoids getting paint on the shoes. Of course, they could simply decide to stay in the corner, but that's just another failure variant. I think the FT article I just posted does a good job of keeping things in the proper perspective, and I think those who are yielding to the temptation of making predictions are getting caught up in a mood-swing mentality.
As far as third-party brokers are concerned, maybe I'm having a brain cramp but for the life of me I'm struggling to recall a circumstance, at least in modern times, in which any have played a substantive role or made a material difference. Do you have any specific examples in mind?
When one combatant surrenders unconditionally it doesn't much matter where the agreement is signed. And if neither side is ready to negotiate, third parties are irrelevant, as witness the Ukraine-Russia meetings that took place in Istanbul. Maybe the best role for a mediator, when the time is ripe, is just to provide a meeting venue and make sure there's plenty of coffee on hand! Oh yes, and pastries would be great, as would a nice lunch. The French would have been prime candidates had not Macron made his recent "let's not humiliate Putin" comment. Whether one agrees with him or not, he's clearly disqualified himself in the eyes of Ukraine. In fact, I think most of the European "great powers" (UK, France, Germany, etc.) have ruled themselves out. So, the million-dollar question is, who is left?
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06-04-22 19:38 #756
Posts: 516Good FT article (IMO) with focus on a big picture view of the war
I've posted often that the direction of the tide is more important than the action of the waves. This article sets a similar tone, warning against the mood swings that can accompany positive and negative reports (about either side).
https://www.ft.com/content/f2f360e0-...3-775eb244d1d2
Imagine if WW-II (or pick your war) battles had been subject to near-instantaneous comments and analysis on Twitter, Instagram, etc. I'm personally not a huge fan of social media (prob a generational thing) but it's easy to see how such media channels can make it difficult to keep the big picture in clear focus.
P.S. When I used the above link for the first time, I got a readable version of the article. But using it again resulted in a paywalled page. If the link doesn't work for you, try this one:
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www....3-775eb244d1d2
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06-04-22 15:17 #755
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
This discussion tends to raise the ire of people fixated on January 6. I would have told you the same thing in 2019. I am not even remotely concerned about the results of the 2020 election.
Republicans do benefit from low turnout. However, Democrats benefit from shepherding their voters. The question is how much "shepherding" is too much. As an example when I ordered a mail-in ballot during 2020, I provided my Driver License number. Key words: "I ordered" "Drives License number". Certain requirements seem fairly reasonable and yet still get argued.
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06-04-22 14:59 #754
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
This discussion tends to raise the ire of people fixated on January 6. I would have told you the same thing in 2019. I am not even remotely concerned about the results of the 2020 election.
Republicans do benefit from low turnout. However, Democrats benefit from shepherding their voters. The question is how much "shepherding" is too much. As an example when I ordered a mail-in ballot during 2020, I provided my Driver License number. Key words: "I ordered" "Drives License number." Certain requirements seem fairly reasonable and yet still get argued.
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06-03-22 21:55 #753
Posts: 1680P.S. For Wyatt Earp
Here's a good quote from the Reuters article. It's entirety is worth a read.
"Listing all of the steps needed to falsify a ballot, Gronke told Reuters: '1) You need a falsified ballot with a unique bar code, printed on special paper, and a special envelope. If the claim is that you've somehow obtained 400,000 original ballots without the elections officials or voters knowing, how precisely did you do this?
"2) You need to successfully forge the voter's signature. 3) You need to deposit the envelope and have it validated by a local official.
Congratulations! Besides committing a felony, you have now cast ONE fraudulent ballot. Now you need to figure out how to do that hundreds of thousands of times, in different jurisdictions, with different ballot styles and different voting materials.'"
https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2XJ0OQ
We have fake excuses for voter suppression while scammers make a buck peddling the narrative a la Carlson and the convicted embezzler d'Sousa. That's bad enough but when it undercuts our democracy a la Jan 6th then we need to take a stand.