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06-08-22 17:02 #786
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
Private investment groups dig into statistics that the regime is not giving attention and manipulating. Western investment groups look at Chinese electric usage and truck traffic to see what is happening inside the China economy.
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06-08-22 16:58 #785
Posts: 2794Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
Yes, I do feel bad for the people, but I have no compassion for either government. Yes, Putin is to blame, but Ukraine government are no saints, far from it. Sorry this is the truth.
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06-08-22 16:14 #784
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
You might look at recent talks in Istanbul as a waste of time. Obviously, peace talks work best when both parties are tired and exhausted from the conflict. I have no idea how this conflict will be settled. No one knows if a permanent peace will be attainable.
The Paris Peace Talks went on for four years before an agreement was signed. Clearly, the United States thought (wrongly) they had something to gain to continue on with the conflict. I would hope no one wants to see Russia fighting in the Ukraine for several years. Again, I don't know how it comes to an end.
As far as who is left to be an honest broker (with not too much emphasis on broker), I already have mentioned Turkey, India and even China. Although China praised Putin before the war, I'm not sure they have done anything material to support Russia.
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06-08-22 15:49 #783
Posts: 132+1
And it looks like I already have a compnay in that group.
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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06-08-22 15:46 #782
Posts: 132:-the
By the way, I am not an American!!
As I said, whatever happend who will lose? The Common people!
Originally Posted by Travv [View Original Post]
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06-08-22 10:57 #781
Posts: 2843Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
Remember Czechoslovakia in 1968 ?? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y228MtvAa3I.
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06-08-22 08:49 #780
Posts: 1056Truth Denier
You made a racist statement about mosquitoes and Africans. I corrected you. All you can do in your little Habara factory is hurl insults. From a point of view of ignorance.
"Russian orcs" more racism.
Go and beat up some Christians or Muslims, you pig.
Meanwhile, the Russian military roll on to victory.
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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06-08-22 05:04 #779
Posts: 657Russia the Long Term Loser? Look in the Mirror to find the Short Term Loser!
Just fueled up yesterday at the pump and noticed the prices are skyrocketing. Meanwhile the Russians have lots of gas and oil and are making bank and rolling in the cash from energy sales. This war is boosting the income that Russia receives from its oil and gas. Look in the mirror and figure out who is being sanctioned at the gas pump and grocery store. Tucker: You are about to get a lot poorer. Fox News host reacts to Biden banning Russian oil and natural gas imports on 'Tucker Carlson Tonight. ' #FoxNews #Tucker Biden's Latest Attack on the Middle Class. A youtube video dated March 8, 2022 well worth watching as it accurately describes who is getting screwed with these sanctions. Got a mirror handy? Visited the gas station for a fillup lately?
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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06-07-22 21:25 #778
Posts: 516The two sides of every conflict
Originally Posted by Travv [View Original Post]
Here's a pretty comprehensive look at the issues, and competing Ukraine vs Russia narratives, authored by a German organization:
https://www.swp-berlin.org/10.18449/2019RP05
Reading, or even skimming, through the report, it's quite evident how far apart the narratives of each of the sides are. One can certainly set the starting point of the timeline at 2014, and one can certainly argue that the Minsk Accords are an equitable solution. But intellectual honesty and integrity requires pointing out that such a view is in substantial agreement with the pro-Russia narrative, and is dismissive of the Ukrainian position.
As I've posted numerous times, I'm not interested in defending pre-invasion Ukraine. I frankly don't care what provocations, real or imagined, Russia was enduring. As the bigger and more powerful country, they had a range of options by which they could have responded. Marching in with an army, and lobbing bombs and missiles at civilians, is unacceptable by any moral standard.
Russia is unequivocally the aggressor, and Putin bears sole responsibility. With those facts fixed firmly in mind, my hope is for the most humiliating possible defeat for Russia. And my second hope is that Russia's own people see to a Mussolini-like denouement for Little Vlad.
As for which country ends up paying for its leader's stupidity, there's a compelling argument to be made that Russia will come out the long-term loser.
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06-07-22 20:58 #777
Posts: 1680Russian Propaganda
It's characteristics and how to counter it.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html
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06-07-22 20:40 #776
Posts: 516Ah, now your true anti-Ukraine agenda reveals itself!
Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
Therefore, your "solution" would ONLY have a negative impact on Ukraine. Why don't you drop all pretense and simply declare that you're in favor of Ukrainian capitulation? How pathetic that, instead of having the courage of your convictions (even if wrong) you slink around using weasel-words.
It took a while, but eventually the truth always comes out.
P.S. You can now, once and for all, drop the further pretense that you give a shit about the Ukrainian people. Just take a look at Mariupol if you need a reminder of what Russian "victory" looks like.
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06-07-22 20:34 #775
Posts: 1680Well
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
That was just an excuse anyway as Putin later said he had no problems with Sweden and Finland joining. Ukraine has some very valuable lands, farming and seaports. Putin wants them. Many wars have been fought in that region over the centuries for that precise reason.
https://www.politico.eu/article/puti...den-join-nato/
Plus Zelensky was democratically elected and Ukraine has a Freedom House score of 61 out of 100, not great but about on par with Hungary. They've made a lot of progress. It's far greater than Russia's dismal 15 and Belarus' 5.
https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores
Mostly what we get here though is what I'd call monger forum drive by whiners. They lay out conspiracy theories while usually blaming US democrats for anything that may be wrong in their own lives or in the world. No source or proof is linked, and when asked for it it's never forthcoming. They don't return until they have another unproven assertion or if the mood strikes them to repeat the prior one over again. They don't want to tell us that they heard it the other night listening to Tucker Carlson or reading an obscure far right blog or their FB feed. Here's a good article, especially much of what is found through the sourced imbedded links. This source has a fabulous rating in the matter of media bias and fact checks.
https://theconversation.com/how-russ...ukraine-180202
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-conversation/
Here's more that's worth a look.
https://www.state.gov/fact-vs-fictio...on-on-ukraine/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/ho...war-in-ukraine
https://news.stanford.edu/2022/03/03...a-ukraine-war/
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06-07-22 20:03 #774
Posts: 516Leading contender for most moronic post of 2022!
Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
Congratulations, you have once again besoiled yourself for all to see. ROTFLMFAO!
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06-07-22 19:59 #773
Posts: 2794Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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06-07-22 08:08 #772
Posts: 657No one trying to stop war?
Time to you to step up and stop this war yourself by volunteering at the local Ukrainian embassy for a free ticket to a Ukrainian training camp where you will become Rambo and single handedly end this war by stopping the Russian Army! LOL.
BTW, if a country bombarded Jews (or ethnic Russians in the Donbass) for 8 years and refused to sign a peace treaty like the Minsk Accords, as Zelensky refused to do, would Israel (or Russia) be an aggressor if it invaded the country that had been bombarding Jews for 8 years? The difference between children and many Americans is that children grow up and accept reality. Many Americans don't. Pissing off the Russians was a bad idea and now Ukraine is paying for Zelensky's stupidity.
Originally Posted by Mike963 [View Original Post]