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04-16-23 14:12 #1915
Posts: 324Chinese lessons will be very handy for the Muscovites
https://twitter.com/AnonOpsSE/status...19027738353668
Russian State TV now shows advertising for Russian Women to marry Chinese Men. Promising them a better life.
Guess those Chinese lessons will be more and more essential.
The subservience and subordination or Russia to the CCP is going really well.
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04-16-23 13:32 #1914
Posts: 324Originally Posted by Questner [View Original Post]
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04-16-23 02:50 #1913
Posts: 1319Originally Posted by JohnClayton [View Original Post]
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04-16-23 02:00 #1912
Posts: 3234Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
If the leaked files were misinformation and disinformation, why did he get arrested? The executive branch amazingly could not find out who leaked the abortion brief at SCOTUS but they had this guy in days. It is almost like the executive branch wanted the abortion leaker to go free. That person did not mess with their narrative.
What is true is the narrative is breaking down. Putin is Hitler but Hitler conquered most of Europe in the time Putin has not conquered Ukraine. Putin is insane except when it comes to nuclear war and then he is rational.
The Covid bullshit was a narrative from the same play book. Anyone against Fauci and his teams idiotic approach to Covid meant you wanted people dead with Covid. Of course, none of their brain dead treatments did much of anything except waste away trillions of dollars. Anyone against that fucker Fauci was anti-science and wanted people to die. Then we later learned that fucker Fauci funded the creation of Covid to begin with and edited a "scientific" paper that said anyone who said Covid came from a lab was engaging in conspiracy theory. So the so called expert who was calling all the shots was personally and probably financially benefitting from a crisis he caused.
And the same is true here. Biden provokes Putin into war and then gets billions to spend in any way he sees fit. I think he has a $100 billion slush fund for Ukraine and has only spent $30 billion of it. Like I said, I know for a fact Biden was spoiling for some kind of war. Putin just accommodated him. If anyone questions the spending on the war the same as how I questioned the spending on Covid, you get the predictable response. You a Putin bootlicker? You want to suck his dick?
Yeah, Ukraine has done better than expected. However, did you ever see anything in Russia that impressive? With me, I liked the art, the theater / ballet, the ice cream, and that was about it. Any impressive modern structure in Russia was built by someone other than the Russians. I just wonder how much of Ukraine doing this well in the war was Ukraine and how much of it was horrific Russian incompetence. I know how good the suppliers are on our end, and I am sure the Russian side pales in comparison.
As for predictions, that is easy. Thousands / millions will die for nothing. Trillions of dollars will be wasted. The war will end once there is no more money in it for the weapons makers, both sides will declare victory, and nothing fundamentally will have changed. Isn't that the way every war has gone since WW2/ Korea?
Meanwhile, there is this going on, https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/11/58pe...y-reveals.html.
And this is my Tucker Carlson source, "More than half, or 58%, of all Americans are now living paycheck to paycheck, according to the CNBC Your Money Financial Confidence Survey, conducted in partnership with Momentive. ".
Oh yeah, we really need to spend trillions more in Ukraine. With the amount of money we spent on weapons, we could have bought all the land in the fucking country by now. At least then we would have something to show for all this. At best we are going to get bullshit assurances that Putin has been stopped.
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04-15-23 23:52 #1911
Posts: 1960"We don't leave our own behind"
Up to 82% of the wounded and sick military defense forces return to duty after treatment. According to the president of the National Academy of Medical Sciences, the mortality rate at the stage of evacuation from the battlefield has decreased to 1. 35%. The new Military Medical Doctrine of Ukraine follows the Israeli practice where all civilian hospitals become military hospitals at the same time.
https://global.espreso.tv/up-to-82-o...s-and-diseases
Severely wounded Russians, on the other hand, are as good as dead. If they can't get back on their own, the help will never come. We-don't-leave-our-own-behind, my ass.
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04-15-23 19:39 #1910
Posts: 516Official narratives run both ways.
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
1. Russia currently controls much less territory than they did in the immediate aftermath of their invasion.
2. Russia appears to be having difficulty replacing modern equipment used or destroyed in battle. The evidence for this is their use of refurbished older tank models and the dramatic decrease in their missile usage.
3. Russia currently has the explicit or implicit support, in the material sense, of China, Iran, and North Korea. Ukraine currently has the explicit or implicit support of the US, most of Europe, and other significant countries like Japan, Australia, Canada, etc.
I could go on, but the above items make my point. Narratives are fueled in many ways (personal likes, dislikes, other emotional considerations, etc.), but actual facts are stubborn things. People who cling to their preferred narrative are often the same ones who believe they can predict outcomes. The stubborn facts, however, have confounded many such pseudo-experts. I fully expect that trend to continue.
P.S. One's past position on COVID, or any other issue, is completely irrelevant to the Ukraine discussion. A classic red herring fallacy, if ever there was one.
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04-15-23 16:27 #1909
Posts: 3234Originally Posted by JohnClayton [View Original Post]
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04-15-23 06:49 #1908
Posts: 746Originally Posted by Questner [View Original Post]
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04-15-23 02:26 #1907
Posts: 516Russia is the dying patient.
Originally Posted by Questner [View Original Post]
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04-15-23 02:21 #1906
Posts: 516You believe, but you don't know.
Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
As for a Spring counteroffensive, I would argue that launching one is a military, social, and political imperative for Ukraine. Russia doesn't really have any internal or external audiences they need to satisfy. Even if the ultra-nationalists aren't satisfied, there's not much they can do about it.
Ukraine, in stark contrast, has both internal and external audiences who have expectations that need to be managed or met. The Ukrainian people certainly expect their leaders to produce something, or to at least make the effort. They're understanding of the fact that resources are limited, but it's doubtful they'd be understanding of inaction. I have no particular allegiance to Zelensky and, if calls come for him to step down and be replaced by the Defense Minister, Head of the Armed Forces, or someone else, I don't think that would cause insurmountable problems.
On the external front, Europe and the US are less likely to continue robust support if things devolve into a stalemate. Right now it's rasputitsa season, which makes large-scale offensive campaigns impractical. I've seen various estimates that weather and road conditions will be favorable starting around mid-May. Only Ukraine knows their own timetable, but I'd be highly surprised if something significant doesn't happen by June.
Mind you, I'm not predicting how things will turn out on the battlefield. I'm simply noting that the pressure is on Ukraine to take some initiative. Whether it succeeds or not depends on a set of variables about which no reasonable observer or analyst would pretend to have full knowledge.
Those who think they have a crystal ball should at least be honest enough to admit that so many past 'expert predictions' have been way off the mark. Unfortunately, intellectual integrity and humility are in desperately short supply nowadays.
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04-15-23 02:07 #1905
Posts: 1319https://youtu.be/Vc_3I1E3QYE
After 30 years of neglect and abuse of her own body and soul the mortally ill patient is on an operation table.
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04-14-23 23:12 #1904
Posts: 2794Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
You guys are dreaming that there will be a Spring Offensive from Ukraine, they are finished.
I do believe that parts of the reports are true, but this guy was probably set-up by the CIA. Interesting how the media is suddenly talking about corruption in Ukraine government. Something is definitely up. The Ukraine military has done an amazing job and totally over achieved, but they are done, time negotiations, that should have happened, 13 months ago.
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04-14-23 19:36 #1903
Posts: 1960Originally Posted by Locamotive [View Original Post]
Take casualty figures. It comes as little surprise to learn that the US estimates that between 189,500 and 223,000 Russian soldiers have been killed or wounded.
The equivalent figure for Ukraine's losses - between 124,500 and 131,000 - is also in line with ballpark figures briefed to journalists in recent weeks.
In both cases, the Pentagon says it has "low confidence" in the figures, due to gaps in information, operational security and deliberate attempts, probably by both sides, to mislead.
Tellingly, this is the one place where attempts have been made to alter the documents to make it look as if Ukraine is experiencing the worst casualties.
A version which appeared on a pro-Russian Telegram site took the number of Ukrainians "killed in action" ("16k-17.5k") and put those on the Russian ledger, while flipping the numbers on the Ukrainian side so they read "61k - 71.5k".
Which brings me to yet another point: not only Russian trolls are typically dumb, but they're also lazy to the point of disbelief.
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04-14-23 17:31 #1902
Posts: 516Info vs disinfo vs misinfo
Originally Posted by Locamotive [View Original Post]
I've seen various reports and analyses about the situation and none of them have given me any sense that there will be any effect on actual battlefield realities.
Ukraine has whatever resources it has, and Russia has whatever resources they have, and facts on the ground will determine the outcome. I certainly understand that copium is a strong motivation for the pro-Russia crowd to grasp at any straws they can. Whatever the outcome of the intel disclosures (real or planted) I doubt they'll have much, if any, practical impacts. Nice try though!
You know, if it is a psyop, then those who orchestrated it can be encouraged by how quickly and completely you bought into it. And the questions they must be asking themselves in the Kremlin is what's real, what's fake, and does any of it make a damn bit of difference on the battlefield?
P.S. Better double-check your "facts" about the kill ratio. That's already been debunked as having been photoshopped by pro-Russia bloggers. But hey, copium is one hell of a strong drug, right?
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04-14-23 17:05 #1901
Posts: 516The quintessence of copium
Originally Posted by Questner [View Original Post]
Pretty desperate stuff, eh? Imagine how they must feel in the Kremlin! I guess it serves as a distraction from that loud flushing sound.