Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Elvis 2008]

Interesting. How can you use "Nazis" for UA?

Ukrainian Nazis are the ones who caused the Russian invasion.

Here you have NBC giving you half the story on the Nazis / Ukraine and Putin, https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ar-ncna1290946.

Just as disturbing, neo-Nazis are part of some of Ukraine's growing ranks of volunteer battalions. They are battle-hardened after waging some of the toughest street fighting against Moscow-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine following Putin's Crimean invasion in 2014. One is the Azov Battalion, founded by an avowed white supremacist who claimed Ukraine's national purpose was to rid the country of Jews and other inferior races. In 2018, the USA Congress stipulated that its aid to Ukraine couldn't be used "to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov Battalion. " Even so, Azov is now an official member of the Ukraine National Guard.

This story makes it seems like American aid did not go to the Nazis, but it did seamlessly from 2014 to 2017, https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3...-to-neo-nazis/.

House-passed spending bills for the past three years have included a ban on USA Aid to Ukraine from going to the Azov / Nazi Battalion, but the provision was stripped out before final passage each year. This year, though, the $1. 3 trillion omnibus spending bill signed into law last week stipulates that "none of the funds made available by this act may be used to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov / Nazi Battalion. ".

Back to NBC, For sure, none of this disturbing context justifies the misery that has befallen Ukrainians over the past several weeks and it's unlikely that Putin was motivated by any of it when he launched his invasion.

That goes directly against what Putin himself said.

Back to the Hill Story, Last year, online posts by the militia's news service showed members testing USA -made grenade launchers at a firing range. The posts have since been deleted, and the Ukrainian National Guard insisted in a January statement that the grenade launchers were not in the Nazi / Azov's possession.

So let's backtrack a second. The Azov / Ukrainian Nazis and Ukrainians of Russian descent have been in a war in Eastern Ukraine since 2014. Russia got sick of how Russians were being treated by the Nazis and they went to war over this.

Zelensky was elected because the people wanted peace but he could not control this sect of his population. One of the issues I have is this crazy notion that USA weapons and CIA training did not make it to Ukrainian Nazis when obviously it did.

It makes me wonder if the reason Zelensky could not control the Nazis is because so much American money and weapons were funneled to them one way or another, but this just goes to show you there has been a war in Ukraine since 2014.

[WyattEarp]

Publishing, not to have a problem with Finland entering NATO, which results in 1300 km more NATO-border, this indicates Putins retreat. Who used the possibility of Ukraine entering NATO as fake argument for war.

Most everyone has had enough with people repeating bullshit explanations given for Putin's invasion of the Ukraine.

Putin has said the Ukraine and the Ukrainians belong to Russia. All you have to do is look at Belarus if you want to see what the Ukraine would look like if they stayed in Russia's orbit.

[PedroMorales]

Can you pelase go back to writing on Isaan toilet walls?

There is no such person called Putler.

Finland faces some of Russia key nuclear defences. Finland stands to be nuked in an eye blink. The fact that the freak in charge of Finland (the cute working girl raised by two lesbians) does not know that is tough shit. That she wants to working girl herself out to Uncle Sam is her look out.

As regards Snake Island, Russia, for their own reasons I do not divine (and you don't as you are a moron) is calling Ukraine's bluff regarding grain shipments.

Blockading Russia affects lots of folk who have nothing whatsoever to do with this conflict, bar being trading partners of Russia. That the Anglo Americans what to starve the Deep South to death is nothing new. It is what they do.

Publishing, not to have a problem with Finland entering NATO, which results in 1300 km more NATO-border, this indicates Putins retreat. Who used the possibility of Ukraine entering NATO as fake argument for war.

[Reiner Otto]

Publishing, not to have a problem with Finland entering NATO, which results in 1300 km more NATO-border, this indicates Putins retreat. Who used the possibility of Ukraine entering NATO as fake argument for war.

[Reiner Otto]

So I look into that, and it turns out that Russia has been in a cold war over Ukraine since 2014 and now it is a hot war. It is a purely regional conflict. You have the former commies on one side and the Nazis on the other, and guys like you want us to commit to the Nazis.

Interesting. How can you use "Nazis" for UA?

In RF, there is the Wagner-Group, and especially Alexander Geljewitsch Dugin, who is suspected to be one of Putlers influencers, from the far right, Nazi side.

https://www.karenina.de/wissen/gesch...ns-ideengeber/

[Elvis 2008]

While I'm posting here's another for the Vlad sympathizer Elvis. He whines that his man Vlad is being "demonized" but he does a fine job of that all by himself. In fact terrorism / war crimes are straight from the Russo playbook. It's the way of the coward and how they wage war.

Paulie, I feel the same way about Vlad as I do most leaders. I do not give a damn what they do unless it affects me.

Oil and natural gas prices did not go up because of Putin. They went up because NATO nations (supposedly) refused to buy Russian oil and natural gas. That stupid policy has led to Russia getting richer and Western nations getting poorer. Saying you Dems are dumb is not offering support for Putin.

Pointing out that your saying Putin is an irrational monster committing horrible war crimes in one breath then saying how rational he will be with nuclear weapons is not support for Putin. Again, that is just showing how inconsistent and dumb you are.

The reason I and people like me are told we should care is that Putin attacked Ukraine and then he is going to go after our NATO allies and WW3 is around the corner is stupid too. That is always what the military industrial complex always sells us. They create a villain who is supposedly threatening our way of life and how we need to spend trillions to stop him. With Vietnam, it was called the domino theory.

So I look into that, and it turns out that Russia has been in a cold war over Ukraine since 2014 and now it is a hot war. It is a purely regional conflict. You have the former commies on one side and the Nazis on the other, and guys like you want us to commit to the Nazis.

So Paulie I am not the coward. I do not have a dog in the fight and want to stay out. But if you think this affects you, you need to quit being a coward and go volunteer and fight alongside the Nazis. Wars are not won just by guys shooting bullets.

[Xpartan]

I will say it again, I can careless who wins.

Oh yes. You'll certainly say it again. And again. And again.

One country actually was functioning and contributing. That is Russia, not Ukraine

Contributing to what? Your gas pump?

Take away Putin and it is a great place.

No shit? Take away Putin, and you get Andropov. Take away Andropov, you get Brezhnev. Take away Brezhnev, and you get Stalin. Take away Stalin, you get Lenin. Take away Lenin, and you get the generations of horrible homicidal czars. When was Russia this great livable place, this beautiful Utopia, I wonder.

Ukraine was a mess, filled with corruption. You guys refuse to recognize, just how corrupt Ukraine is and was.

And Russia wasn't and isn't?

Ask the millions that fled over the last 10-15 years, because of the corruption. The reason they left is because they had almost zero chance for a normal life or even better life in Ukraine, they had no future, because of the greed and a terrible government. Ask yourself why everyone has been leaving the county, and this has been going on for over 10 years and has nothing to do with the war, but you ignore the obvious.

Why go back 10-15 years? Over a million Russians have left after Putin started his criminal war.

I can careless what you think. This war is ruining economies and is going to cause major collateral damage.

Yes, only according to you, the country that started this homicidal war is somehow blameless. For some reason it's the victim that receives the brunt of your fury. I wonder why.

[Golfinho]

Since there's been posted links to The Atlantic, a totemic rag that no one actually reads:

https://www.unz.com/jfreud/significa...ia-china-iran/

[Golfinho]

Russia has already lost by means of their isolation, economic devastation and pariah status on the world stage.
As to the US weakening, you can only wish. Russia's debacle / suicide has only served to strengthen the West. NATO has never been stronger with more worthy participants eager to participate. Yes the US is the leader of the free world and this shows no signs of weakening. So in other words because the Ukrainian hooker you know who you think is your girlfriend.

Outside of Crimea and the Donbass Ukrainian love for democracy is very strong.

"Russia has already lost" You poor thing, you can only wish. To hear such stupendous ignorance from a character who purports to travel is understandable when he cannot imagine someone can have a Ukrainian girlfriend, she must be a hooker. Pure projection.

"Love of democracy"? Thanks for the laugh.

[DramaFree11]

Russia cannot lose, in both senses of the word cannot: they cannot lose because they can escalate to ensure victory, and they cannot afford to lose because it would have serious geopolitical repercussions. By escalate, I mean tactical nukes. If you really care about Ukraine, you should be hoping to wake up and read that 100 K of Ukraine's finest and most experienced troops were suddenly slaughtered and thus Ukraine has no choice but to negotiate for peace. 100 K young men can be easily replaced in 18 years. Tactical nuclear war could destroy Ukraine permanently. Do not hope for Ukrainian victory, because it will be short-lived.

Note that US military doctrine has always proposed tactical nukes to stop NATO from being overrun. That's a moot point nowadays, because NATO can easily defend itself with conventional weapons, but the doctrine is still there. Tactical nukes are not "beyond the pale of civilized war", in other words. Neutron tactical nukes were specifically developed by the USA in the 1970's (if I recall correctly) to kill Warsaw pact troops flooding into West Germany without destroying too much West German infrastructure.

Western civilization will indeed be weakened after the inevitable Russian victory, though Russia will be weakened much more. This war, like the botched Iraq and Afghanistan wars previously, is part of the process of USA decline from elevated position circa 1990-2010 of undisputed worldwide military supremacy to more sustainable position of powerful but not all-powerful. Next step in this decline process will be rebellion by the western Europeans, as it sinks in how badly they are being affected economically by USA policy..

Amazing post. The other issue Ukraine is facing the media and the government's will flip on them in a minute. Ukraine government has about 1-2 months to figure this out, or they are in deep shit. Public opinion will start shifting when the media starts reporting about all the corruption that is and was going on in Ukraine. Then the funds, support and weapons will dry up. The better start negotiating, or they will end up with almost nothing.

[Paulie97]

It's funny these arguments that keep coming, blaming NATO, and especially the US for the interest in democracy among Eastern Euro nations, and by extension for the war in Ukraine. The agencies of all these countries are completely ignored. Russia might have faired better if they had something to offer besides the kleptocratic, the dreary and drab, threats, and terrorist violence. Yet the fallacy persists, as if repeating it 1000's of times will make it true. A lot of countries enjoy freedom, due process and rule of law, is the name of that tune.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...-by-Repetition

[Paulie97]

Russia cannot lose, in both senses of the word cannot: they cannot lose because they can escalate to ensure victory, and they cannot afford to lose because it would have serious geopolitical repercussions. By escalate, I mean tactical nukes.

Russia has already lost by means of their isolation, economic devastation and pariah status on the world stage. At this point they can only worsen this position which will last generations. They also will not resort to nukes, tactical or otherwise as that means losing the few half-baked friends they have left.

Western civilization will indeed be weakened after the inevitable Russian victory, though Russia will be weakened much more. This war, like the botched Iraq and Afghanistan wars previously, is part of the process of USA decline from elevated position circa 1990-2010 of undisputed worldwide military supremacy to more sustainable position of powerful but not all-powerful. Next step in this decline process will be rebellion by the western Europeans, as it sinks in how badly they are being affected economically by USA policy.

This is more nonsense. One, the wars on terror needed to be fought. You'll notice we don't hear much out of Isis anymore, and these wars will continue. As to the US weakening, you can only wish. Russia's debacle / suicide has only served to strengthen the West. NATO has never been stronger with more worthy participants eager to participate. Yes the US is the leader of the free world and this shows no signs of weakening.

BTW my Ukrainian girlfriend here in Chisinau reads the news avidly everyday and volunteers comments to the effect that the Ukrainian government is filled with fanatics. She is from a village in Cherkasy oblast, as central Ukrainian ethnically as they come. I suspect there are many other Ukrainians like her, a silent minority which will eventually be a majority who are having doubts about this avoidable war (carry through with Minsk agreement), but are unable to even formulate much less express their doubts because of all the propaganda coming from Kyiv, to speak nothing of persecution of outspoken doubters. And no, I don't put ideas in her head. On the contrary, I try to avoid commenting around her, because the subject depresses me. Plus, as USA citizen, I'm ashamed of what the USA has cynically done to Ukraine.

Anecdotes? You know these are worthless as evidence, right? So in other words because the Ukrainian hooker you know who you think is your girlfriend said this, while it conveniently buttresses your anti-US, Russia propping point, so it must be true right? No wrong as it's a fallacy.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

Outside of Crimea and the Donbass Ukrainian love for democracy is very strong, as is so testified to by it's resolve and a will to fight. Traitors are relatively few and this is very unlikely to change. As to your shame as a US citizen, and so called "propaganda," seems you have a headful of lefty, Noam Chomsky esque, the US is responsible for all the evil in the world rubbish. We don't want you, but whine in an international hooker forum to your heart's content. You'll find some sympathetic ears. LOL.

[PedroMorales]

Next step in this decline process will be rebellion by the western Europeans, as it sinks in how badly they are being affected economically by USA policy.

Ain't going to happen. The Anglo American influence is too big. That is why Western Europe will have to hunt them down. And BRI totally marginalize them.

Tiny Estonia can expect a 50% drop as it is so dependent on Belarus and Russia. All to keep the incontinent Biden in the White House and Hunter Biolabs in clover.

[Kozerog]

I want the war to end with Russia withdrawing in defeat, incapable of re-emerging as an aggressive state, and paying massive reparations. The US and European economies will not collapse. Maybe you will not have money to pay your fat prostitutes, but the West will come out stronger, not weaker, with a Ukrainian victory. A Russian victory would mean a significantly weaker Western civilization.

Russia cannot lose, in both senses of the word cannot: they cannot lose because they can escalate to ensure victory, and they cannot afford to lose because it would have serious geopolitical repercussions. By escalate, I mean tactical nukes. If you really care about Ukraine, you should be hoping to wake up and read that 100 K of Ukraine's finest and most experienced troops were suddenly slaughtered and thus Ukraine has no choice but to negotiate for peace. 100 K young men can be easily replaced in 18 years. Tactical nuclear war could destroy Ukraine permanently. Do not hope for Ukrainian victory, because it will be short-lived.

Note that US military doctrine has always proposed tactical nukes to stop NATO from being overrun. That's a moot point nowadays, because NATO can easily defend itself with conventional weapons, but the doctrine is still there. Tactical nukes are not "beyond the pale of civilized war", in other words. Neutron tactical nukes were specifically developed by the USA in the 1970's (if I recall correctly) to kill Warsaw pact troops flooding into West Germany without destroying too much West German infrastructure.

Western civilization will indeed be weakened after the inevitable Russian victory, though Russia will be weakened much more. This war, like the botched Iraq and Afghanistan wars previously, is part of the process of USA decline from elevated position circa 1990-2010 of undisputed worldwide military supremacy to more sustainable position of powerful but not all-powerful. Next step in this decline process will be rebellion by the western Europeans, as it sinks in how badly they are being affected economically by USA policy.

BTW my Ukrainian girlfriend here in Chisinau reads the news avidly everyday and volunteers comments to the effect that the Ukrainian government is filled with fanatics. She is from a village in Cherkasy oblast, as central Ukrainian ethnically as they come. I suspect there are many other Ukrainians like her, a silent minority which will eventually be a majority who are having doubts about this avoidable war (carry through with Minsk agreement), but are unable to even formulate much less express their doubts because of all the propaganda coming from Kyiv, to speak nothing of persecution of outspoken doubters. And no, I don't put ideas in her head. On the contrary, I try to avoid commenting around her, because the subject depresses me. Plus, as USA citizen, I'm ashamed of what the USA has cynically done to Ukraine.

[Paulie97]

Your favorite country is every bit as corrupt, has just as much emigration, and was far more violent internally, but you never seem to say anything there. While I report about my experiences in Ukraine, you report only good things in Mexico. I guess some prostitute hasn't yet fucked you so hard in Mexico. But I will not be surprised when it happens. And when it does, I suspect you will be spewing just as much hatred there.

Drama Free likely has never set foot in Ukraine or Mexico. I mean seriously there's a reason why there's so little discussion about the smog infested Mexico City with their unshaven, hygienically challenged hookers. He claims to have been to one of the most popular destinations Medellin, Colombia and hated it, but nothing he described about the place was accurate or gave any indication that he'd been there. He disses Ukraine while ignoring Russian terrorism and their agency in starting the war. He also ignores the progress Ukraine has made toward democracy and with anti-corruption since breaking from Russia. He has no arguments, presents no evidence other than to repeat the same failed theses over and over.

Likely he's spent little time out of his mother's basement, isn't a monger, and operates here under a number of different user names. He reminds me of this twerp the Marquis de Sade who claims he has been to many countries. We asked for proof and he was caught posting 2012 vacation pics ripped from an American girls blog. ROFL In fact I'm surprised he hasn't found his way to this thread. About everyone else has, though he likely is here under a different name.

While I'm posting here's another for the Vlad sympathizer Elvis. He whines that his man Vlad is being "demonized" but he does a fine job of that all by himself. In fact terrorism / war crimes are straight from the Russo playbook. It's the way of the coward and how they wage war.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/06/28/...say-g7-leaders