Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Blood Red]

You're a funny guy. It's as if Dr. Goebbels asked on the radio in the winter of 1942:

- So has Russia taken back Kyiv?

- Have they broken the siege of Leningrad?

- Have they retaken Crimea?

But oh my, what a difference a couple of years can make!

So like you said, reality will soon catch up with you, and it won't be pretty.

The Evil Empire is doomed this time, and the Ukrainians are the straw that will have broken the camel's back.

Good luck.

[Xpartan]

Ukrainians fighting for these existence is definitely a huge plus for them. We need to be clear though. Ethnic "Russians" aren't dying enmass (unless you want to talk about the prisoners they let out to be cannon fodder). It's the tartars and other poor central Asian "Russians" that are being ground into meat. If they were plucking kids from Moscow or St Petersburg and sending them to the front, even Putin wouldn't survive the backlash.

Ukraine is outmanned for sure but the gorilla war they will rage if they lose conventionaly with send the Russians back to Moscow just like the Afghan tribes did in the 80's (with our help, BTW). They can't win over time. Putin didn't learn a damn thing.

You're right that Putin's henchmen are trying to avoid drafting too many Moscovites, but the Russians from other regions (including ethnic Russians) do a lot of dying still. Every regional head has their quotas, and they don't have a 'luxury' to draft 'non-Russians" only. The only Putin's ally who doesn't have to pull his weight in terms of the quotas is Chechnya's Kadyrov due to his special relationship with the boss.

Also, I must say I'm a little more optimistic. I don't think Putin has a chance to make such substantial territorial gains that the gorilla war will become the only option for resistance. He's bound to run out of time and man power despite the propaganda and poker face.

[Blood Red]

Ukraine is outmanned for sure but the gorilla war they will rage if they lose conventionaly with send the Russians back to Moscow just like the Afghan tribes did in the 80's (with our help, BTW). They can't win over time. Putin didn't learn a damn thing.

That's like comparing apples and oranges. Ukraine isn't Afghanistan, to compare the 2 scenarios is ridiculous. No doubt the collective west will sponsor an insurgency, but Ukraine is never getting Crimea or the 4 new territories back, ever.

[Xpartan]

So tell me, has Ukraine retaken Crimea? Did they reach to the sea of Azov after taking Robotnye during their FAILED counter offensive last year? Was the land bridge severed? You are delusional. But reality will soon catch up with you mate. And then you'll just make excuses.

You're a funny guy. It's as if Dr. Goebbels asked on the radio in the winter of 1942:

- So has Russia taken back Kyiv?

- Have they broken the siege of Leningrad?

- Have they retaken Crimea?

But oh my, what a difference a couple of years can make!

So like you said, reality will soon catch up with you, and it won't be pretty.

The Evil Empire is doomed this time, and the Ukrainians are the straw that will have broken the camel's back.

[FilthyBeaver]

Ukrainians fighting for these existence is definitely a huge plus for them. We need to be clear though. Ethnic "Russians" aren't dying enmass (unless you want to talk about the prisoners they let out to be cannon fodder). It's the tartars and other poor central Asian "Russians" that are being ground into meat. If they were plucking kids from Moscow or St Petersburg and sending them to the front, even Putin wouldn't survive the backlash.

Ukraine is outmanned for sure but the gorilla war they will rage if they lose conventionaly with send the Russians back to Moscow just like the Afghan tribes did in the 80's (with our help, BTW). They can't win over time. Putin didn't learn a damn thing.

Great analyses. I'd only argue that the Ukrainians are more stubborn than the Russians, maybe because unlike the Russians, they're defending their homeland. The Russians are forced into relentless waves of what they call "meat assaults" by their commanders, and the only reason they keep fighting is because they're scared of their own bosses more than they are of the Ukrainians (and for a good reason too).

Moscow's 'meat wave' tactic litters Ukraine battlefield with frozen corpses of Russian troops.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/news/m...ussian-troops/

'They're Just Choosing Where To Die. ' When Russia's Poorly-Trained Stormtroopers Retreat, Russian Barrier Troops Gun Them Down.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=1bf7852375a0

At some point though, sheepish as they are, Russian grunts will have enough and embark on slitting the throats of their officers and deserting en mass. That's how the Russian Civil War came around -- the one that claimed at least 10 million lives.

And mass desertions, by the way, have already started.

Russian Military Hit by Mass Desertions.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukra...ctions-1881268

[Blood Red]

So the first part (resumption of the US military aid) has almost come true, much earlier than I anticipated.

And the last 6 months have proved that Ukraine can stand on its own even with Russia's artillery advantage of 6-10 to 1, denying the aggressor any significant gains and making them pay in tens of thousands of dead and crippled Russian solders for every village and township they've managed to "conquer" so far.

In the meantime, Ukraine keeps destroying the Russian Navy and hitting military targets and fuel refineries deep inside Russia reducing aggressor's economic means needed to finance the war.

The age of empires is gone.

So tell me, has Ukraine retaken Crimea? Did they reach to the sea of Azov after taking Robotnye during their FAILED counter offensive last year? Was the land bridge severed? You are delusional. But reality will soon catch up with you mate. And then you'll just make excuses.

[Blood Red]

And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.

Western hegemony is gone.

Exactly. It will only postpone the inevitable, which is a Russian victory. But by postponing the inevitable, the collective west is just going to send tens of thousands of Ukrainian men (and women) to their graves. But anyone with a brain knows that the collective west doesn't give a shit about Ukrainians dying. Until the last Ukrainian, right? Disgusting. Make peace now you fools!

[Blood Red]

Let's wait and see. That kind of money buys a heck of a lot of things that will absolutely destroy the Russians. Not to mention the ongoing aid that is increasing from the European states. The coming period will be very interesting to see.

What you and many others do not seem to understand that this isn't a funding issue. Ukraine doesn't have the manpower anymore. You can't print soldiers. Does that make sense to you or not?

Furthermore, the collective West doesn't have the weapons in stock in the quantity that Ukraine needs.

It's over.

[Xpartan]

Russia has historically been willing to absorb tremendous casualties for political causes. What Mr Putin doesn't understand is this isn't history, this is today. The generation fighting are accustomed to the internet, free thought, and personal freedoms the previous generations (including his) were not. He's only in control because he has a very effective propaganda machine and still has enough following at the lower levels of local government to stiffel any amount of social disorder.

The aid will not end the war. The aid will slow the Russians down tremendously but the end will only come when the will of NATO to prop-up Ukraine fades or when Putin is gone. As an American I'm sad to say the issue has become more political than pragmatic and is being held hostage by a small number of legislators with very big mouths. The fact of the matter is at least 1/3 of the money we spend to support Ukraine is directly funding production of weapons in our massive defense industrial complex so it's basically going right back into our economy in the form of wages and taxes. There isn't an intelligent legislator that would fight that (unfortunately there are plenty of unintelligent legislators).

Having been all over Ukraine and seen the contrast between a very Ukrainian city like Lviv (where you never hear Russian being spoken) and a resort town like Odessa (where Russian is spoken out in the open everywhere, at least before the war). I think I can say they're just as stubborn as the Russians, have proven themselves resourceful and ingenious with what they have, and employ clever tactics. Add that to fact that they are fighting for their very existence I think they have a very good chance of ending this with their heads held high. At a minimum, Russia will never control Ukrainian territory. Partisans will run a gorilla war against them for decades with plenty of help from the CIA using its black budgets that don't get scrutinized like everything else that goes through congress. If Ukraine "looses" Russia will have created Afghanistan for themselves all over again which is sad because Putin was alive for that Russian nightmare and there will be a lot of young hot slavs that get killed which breaks my heart.

This is ISG after all.

Great analyses. I'd only argue that the Ukrainians are more stubborn than the Russians, maybe because unlike the Russians, they're defending their homeland. The Russians are forced into relentless waves of what they call "meat assaults" by their commanders, and the only reason they keep fighting is because they're scared of their own bosses more than they are of the Ukrainians (and for a good reason too).

Moscow's 'meat wave' tactic litters Ukraine battlefield with frozen corpses of Russian troops.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/news/m...ussian-troops/

'They're Just Choosing Where To Die. ' When Russia's Poorly-Trained Stormtroopers Retreat, Russian Barrier Troops Gun Them Down.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=1bf7852375a0

At some point though, sheepish as they are, Russian grunts will have enough and embark on slitting the throats of their officers and deserting en mass. That's how the Russian Civil War came around -- the one that claimed at least 10 million lives.

And mass desertions, by the way, have already started.

Russian Military Hit by Mass Desertions.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukra...ctions-1881268

[Jojosun]

QUOTE=JojosunQUOTE=Riina;2910563 And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.

QUOTE.

https://www.economist.comleaders /2024/04/24/ congress-has-given-ukraine-a-reprieve-with-its-new-aid-package.

America's latest aid will give Ukraine only a temporary reprieve. QUOTE.

Let's hear what The War Analyst have to say?

'War analysts say Ukraine should treat the latest US aid package like it's the last one it'll get'.

https://africa.businessinsider.com/m...st-one/t6bmrq2

[Xpartan]

QUOTE=Riina;2910563 And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.

QUOTE.

https://www.economist.com/leaders/20...ew-aid-package

America's latest aid will give Ukraine only a temporary reprieve.

"Temporary" is all Ukraine needs.

What the Economist and other intellectuals fail to understand is that Putin can't keep it up indefinitely. He's already spending over 40% of Russia's entire budget on waging his war of choice. America and the West have the money. He, on the other hand, will spend his way into oblivion.

[FilthyBeaver]

Russia has historically been willing to absorb tremendous casualties for political causes. What Mr Putin doesn't understand is this isn't history, this is today. The generation fighting are accustomed to the internet, free thought, and personal freedoms the previous generations (including his) were not. He's only in control because he has a very effective propaganda machine and still has enough following at the lower levels of local government to stiffel any amount of social disorder.

The aid will not end the war. The aid will slow the Russians down tremendously but the end will only come when the will of NATO to prop-up Ukraine fades or when Putin is gone. As an American I'm sad to say the issue has become more political than pragmatic and is being held hostage by a small number of legislators with very big mouths. The fact of the matter is at least 1/3 of the money we spend to support Ukraine is directly funding production of weapons in our massive defense industrial complex so it's basically going right back into our economy in the form of wages and taxes. There isn't an intelligent legislator that would fight that (unfortunately there are plenty of unintelligent legislators).

Having been all over Ukraine and seen the contrast between a very Ukrainian city like Lviv (where you never hear Russian being spoken) and a resort town like Odessa (where Russian is spoken out in the open everywhere, at least before the war). I think I can say they're just as stubborn as the Russians, have proven themselves resourceful and ingenious with what they have, and employ clever tactics. Add that to fact that they are fighting for their very existence I think they have a very good chance of ending this with their heads held high. At a minimum, Russia will never control Ukrainian territory. Partisans will run a gorilla war against them for decades with plenty of help from the CIA using its black budgets that don't get scrutinized like everything else that goes through congress. If Ukraine "looses" Russia will have created Afghanistan for themselves all over again which is sad because Putin was alive for that Russian nightmare and there will be a lot of young hot slavs that get killed which breaks my heart.

This is ISG after all.

QUOTE=Riina;2910563 And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.

QUOTE.

https://www.economist.com/leaders/20...ew-aid-package

America's latest aid will give Ukraine only a temporary reprieve.

[Jojosun]

QUOTE=Riina;2910563 And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.

QUOTE.

https://www.economist.com/leaders/20...ew-aid-package

America's latest aid will give Ukraine only a temporary reprieve.

[VinDici]

And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.

Let's wait and see. That kind of money buys a heck of a lot of things that will absolutely destroy the Russians. Not to mention the ongoing aid that is increasing from the European states. The coming period will be very interesting to see.

[Xpartan]

And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.

Western hegemony is gone.

You're right.

The Russians are way more effective than American billions could ever be.

Russia drops 21 bombs on itself in huge humiliation for Putin as casualties remain mystery.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...7893266f&ei=13

Keep up a good work!