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06-24-22 15:20 #971
Posts: 2842First things First, I am a fucking monger not a Political Analyst or Military Expert. Found my way to this thread as there's Fuck All Mongering in Ukraine following Putin's Invasion.
Trying to educate myself about the country which I really liked since 2009 especially the Hot Blondies. I started reading about its history. The links and articles which sounded credible and informative, I posted them here for reference.
I never knew Ukraine had such a tainted black history of killing Jews!! As I always thought it was The Russians. And I also discovered by reading Israeli sources that Jew hating goes back a long time "Yes, Poles Imbibed anti-Semitism With Their Mothers' Milk.
A vast majority of Poles and others remain haters of the Jewish people, but some Israeli politicians, diplomats and Holocaust researchers are foolishly saying they're shocked by this 'generalization'.
And who are better to inform us of all people, than reading what Jewish & Israeli Historians had to say? .
What have I got to do with Germany! IF its to do with sanctions and aid, reading sources reveals, Germany has done much more than Israel.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blog...-historic-vote
So what's your take on Israel's refusal to apply sanctions against Russia??
Here's what some commentators in Israel are saying "The prime minister's 'neutrality' in the Russian war against Ukraine is outrageous" https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-703432.
And Zelensky who also has family in Israel singled out Israel. . https://www.jta.org/2022/06/23/globa...against-russia.
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06-24-22 04:42 #970
Posts: 1925Originally Posted by Jojosun [View Original Post]
And Ukrainians did it again during the WW2.
So your point being is what? That they deserve what's coming to them now, in 2022?
What's your take on today's Germany?
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06-24-22 04:31 #969
Posts: 1925Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
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06-24-22 02:48 #968
Posts: 516A thought-experiment and challenge to those who keep trotting out the nukes issue.
To begin with, I'm certainly not an expert on nuclear deterrence, but I have lived through the Cold War years, with fallout shelters, duck and cover drills, and all that.
So feel free to correct me if I make any substantially incorrect statements, but it's my understanding that both the US and Russia have enough nuclear capability to obliterate the other. Sure, there might be survivors in remote areas or in hardened shelters, but (if either side desired it) they could destroy pretty much everything that made the other's society viable. I don't know if the terminology has changed, but I recall that being described as Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD).
Also, as I understand it, a significant portion of each side's nuclear arsenal is either mobile (submarine, ship, aircraft) or housed in facilities that would be resistant to being taken out in a first strike. I'm sure there might be other retaliative capabilities, but those are all I need to make my point.
And the point is simply this: Neither side can know with certainty that: a) The other side wouldn't respond; and, b) The other side couldn't respond. They might think the probability is low, or high, or something in between, but they can't know for sure.
So let's assume there are people on both sides who are more hawkish than others. Let's say Russia has some hawks who might be willing to risk launching a first strike. Well, at the moment of launch, it becomes irrelevant how many hawks are on the US side because retaliation becomes a defensive imperative. In other words, the reasons for not launching a first-strike pretty much disappear when you're retaliating against an attacker. And, unless a Russian (or US) hawk can guarantee they can take out each and every nuclear-capable asset of the other, they've essentially condemned both sides to the same fate.
Let's take it one step further. Assume there are some intelligent people in the chain of command on both sides. It's my argument that, for those people, an order to launch a first strike, when your own existence is not being threatened, is the same as an order to kill your own family, hometown, and society. Faced with such an order, why wouldn't the intelligent person refuse to comply? Even if threatened with death, they're dead either way. My personal response would be something like, "If you want to destroy humanity, and our country, I can't stop you. But I'm not going to be the one to do it!" and there's no incentive I can think of that would change that calculus. And this isn't something you can practice. Sure, you can have drills and readiness exercises, but nothing prepares people for the real thing as it's like putting a gun against your own head (and the head of your wife, kids, etc.) AND pulling the trigger when you really want to continue living.
While there's no way to know for sure, there's a huge uncertainty when it comes to the human factor if a first-strike order was to be given. And it's that very uncertainty that is woven throughout the fabric of MAD.
Ah, but what about tactical nukes? There's certainly an argument that can be made about differences there. But what if one tactical nuke is responded to with another, and then a tit-for-tat ensues that leads to escalation and back to the MAD scenario? Once again, uncertainty rears its ugly head.
And isn't uncertainty therefore the fundamental problem that no amount of bravado and chest-thumping (or planning) can overcome? It doesn't matter how big or strong or loud (or clever) someone is, playing Russian Roulette with a gun that has all cylinders full will still have the predictable result. But wait, do we know for sure how many bullets are in the gun? Answer: No, we don't. And there's no way we can know with certainty. Are you still willing to pull that trigger?
I'll close with that, and open the floor to debate. Although I'm sure there will be some who won't be interested in rational debate. But that's to be expected.
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06-24-22 01:43 #967
Posts: 1680Lol
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
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06-24-22 01:27 #966
Posts: 516Newsflash: US-led NATO is increasing its presence throughout Europe.
Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
What's truly hilarious is that, no matter how much you post about your Russian propaganda wet-dreams, reality keeps marching merrily along, laughing at you and farting in your face as it passes you by.
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06-23-22 21:08 #965
Posts: 1056Looking at the poor thing
Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
Hopefully, beginning with the obliteration of Lithuania, the Yanks will get payback for Hiroshima and Nagasaki (and the firebombing of Tokyo, to say nothing of the overdue bills on Vietnam and Korea). The old saying, don't pick up a weapon if you are not prepared to use it, applies to nukes as well. Hopefully, the Yanks like the smell of nuclear mushroom clouds in the morning. Let them wonder if it smells like victory.
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06-23-22 20:44 #964
Posts: 516Russia is in a death-spiral
Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
And everyone is spitting in Little Vlad's eye! Kazakhstan, Lithuania, and now Germany! Not only does the "emperor" have no clothes, but now everyone can see what a small dick-army he has. ROTFLMAO!
As for you, who cares? Certainly not anyone in this forum, except maybe for your schmegegge-twin. But, on second thought, (like you) he probably only cares about himself.
P.S. Congratulations to Ukraine on achieving EU candidate status, defying expectations and against all odds!
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06-23-22 20:25 #963
Posts: 516Do all your posts read like stream of consciousness, run-on sentences?
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
I was in Pecos, Texas in 2018. Oil was not even that much. It ranged from $40 to $60 a barrel then.
Russia is getting economically stronger while the USA is getting weaker, and that is the point.
There is going to be fatigue, and Putin is counting on that
So you may think I am talking politics but I am actually talking about the war.
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06-23-22 19:52 #962
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
As far as your statement, "Point is that money matters in war. " This is very, very true. It's also important to note money isn't just represented by dollars, rubles and how much of a commodity like oil a country is pulling out of the ground. Money represents things like technology, industrial capacity, logistics and know-how. These all win wars.
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06-23-22 19:40 #961
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]
This is sheer jest of course. LOL.
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06-23-22 19:08 #960
Posts: 2374The truth about the conflict with Russia
https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress...t-with-russia/
Warning: do not read -- pure, made-up conspiracy propaganda.
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06-23-22 10:18 #959
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
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06-23-22 08:10 #958
Posts: 1056German General Wants Nuclear War
German Armed Forces (Bundeswehr) head Ingo Gerhartz told the Kiel International Seapower Symposium Germany needs nuclear weapons to use against "Putin". Gerhartz is boasting of the speed with which his Luftwaffe have deployed to Slovakia and Bulgaria and how the Ukrainian AF is using them and their US-Israeli systems to murder Russian speakers.
Der Spiegel Editor Dirk Kurbjuweit published an article directly calling for Germany to have and use nuclear weapons. Kurbjuweit believes Germany was blameless in fomenting World War One and the Jews had it coming to them.
The good news is that, when this round is over, Germany will cease to exist. The only consolation is that, if Latin America survives, those who bear ultimate responsibility, will be hunted down there as well. For me, on a personal level, it won't matter, as I and hundreds of millions of others will know what the Japanese felt like after the American terrorist attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As long as America and its satraps come crushing down as well, it is all good.
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06-23-22 07:32 #957
Posts: 1680Well
Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]