Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[PedroMorales]

Is that what landed you in a Finnish hospital? Or was it your need for a series of rabies shots?

Belgium is now tightening the screws over monkeypox. Fuck off to Reddit and see what 4 chan have to say about it and then return. As regards sources, it is an information to noise thing (look it up, but not on Reddit). Your fan club here are moronic Americans, many of whom probably did disgusting things in Iraq and Afghanistan.

On a positive note, Russia is winning hands down.

On the American simpletons calling me Comrade to appear witty, the Communists are Russia's main opposition party; they are not in government but you go ahead to boil things down to your level.

As regards rebuttals, You haven't rebutted, much as you may be fond of butts. That is because I am not engaging with you because you are nothing to engage with.

You'll be happy to hear I am getting better, another few days to be safe. Then I'll be fighting fit again, as much as age allows me. I've caught up on my reading (no Reddit or 4 chan for me) and I hoped to be back in the saddle, but not with Ukrainians, soon. But then the Yanks spread monkeypox, on which I have my theories.

[Jmsuttr]

De Tocqueville, 1830's. What faults? LOL. Oh, wait, slavery got repaired.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomlind...h=12c3e3d67ef6

https://www.freetheslaves.net/slaver...ry-in-history/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa

Anyone not looking at history through anti-American goggles should have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge the following:

- Slavery dates back thousands of years and was a near-universal practice.

- Slavery was a central feature of both the Greek and Roman empires. And those periods gave birth to many of the legal and cultural underpinnings of Western civilization.

- Slavery was facilitated and introduced to the New World by the Portuguese and Spanish.

-By some estimates, 90% of African slaves were sold into bondage by other Africans. And that occurrence was an essential prerequisite of the Atlantic slave trade.

https://alphahistory.com/russianrevo...ion-in-russia/

Russia, which is a country relevant to the discussions in this forum, didn't emancipate its serfs until 1861 (the same year the US Civil War began). And here's what that "freedom" looked like:

"Alexander II finally acted in 1861, signing a decree that ruled a line through serfdom. A process of land redistribution was commenced but the detail was left in the hands of corrupt bureaucrats and, in some cases, the land-owners themselves.

As a consequence, the reallocation of Russian land was hardly fair. Russia's serfs became free peasants but they were given a stark choice: either leave their land or commit to a 49-year state mortgage. They had, in effect, traded one form of bondage for anothe."

Moving into the 20th century, Nazi Germany made extensive use of forced labor from 1939 to 1945. "Arbeit macht frei," right? How quickly people forget.

Saudi Arabia and Yemen didn't ban slavery until 1962 and the Islamic Conference didn't renounce the practice until 1990. Oh yes, and there are many who would argue that China is currently the worst offender when it comes to forced labor in the modern world.

So yeah, it's pretty funny how, to so many, slavery is primarily a US-centric issue. Give me an effin' break!

[Paulie97]

https://blogs.berkeley.edu/2022/05/1...a-ukraine-war/

This is a great read, and well articulates the issues at hand and what is at stake. Russia is out to erase Ukraine, through murder, subjugation and re-education. They have no interest in negotiations, and any participation in that direction is insincere as they were blowing up maternity wards and bread lines while talks were taking place. Any agreements wouldn't be honored. Ukraine is doing what they have to do if they wish to survive as a people.

And there were never any promises made not to enlarge NATO into Eastern Europe. Russia only questioned expansion as it would relate to troop deployments in the former GDR, as Gorbachev later confirmed in no uncertain terms. Plus these discussions were within the context of the old USSR where the Warsaw Pact was still in force. Eastern Euro countries tasted freedom and requested integration. Knowing Russia too well they asked for protection. It's impossible to have confidence in the analysis of anyone that ignores the agencies of these countries.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-fr...achev-says-no/

[Xpartan]

You mean like the Russian symphony and ballet that they copied from Western Europe.

When Mikhail Glinka, who was called the founder of Russian music, left Russia for Germany, he spat on the ground and yelled: "May I never see this vile country again."

For the music itself though, I don't think Tchaikovsky's or Rachmaninov's works were actually 'copied' from the West. Unlike the cars, planes and, oh yeah, the nukes.

[Golfinho]

"The greatness of America lies not in being more enlightened than any other nation, but rather in her ability to repair her faults."

- A. Tocqueville (some Frenchman).

De Tocqueville, 1830's. What faults? LOL. Oh, wait, slavery got repaired.

[Jmsuttr]

Just a message of appreciation. I have enjoyed reading your blogging here, and many of the links you have been sharing have been extremely insightful. So much so, that I'm actually ok with Comrade Morales deranged ravings, since it prompts another superb rebuttal from yourself with good sources and reading materials.

Many thanks for the kind words. As an FYI, my starting point has been the Ukrainian Conflict subreddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/new/

With over 350 K members, it's a dumping ground of pro- and anti-Ukraine posts, and more than a few trolls. But, when you check it regularly, some contributors stand out and the authors and articles they reference prove worthy of following. Then, especially on the Twitter platform, you can further explore the subsidiary level of authors and articles cited. It's a bit like word of mouth, but the key is to separate the wheat from the chaff at the very beginning such that you're not wasting your time reading BS or propaganda. Here are a few I think are worth a look:

https://mobile.twitter.com/kamilkazani

https://mobile.twitter.com/WarintheFuture

https://mobile.twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien

There are others, of course, but I visit these on a regular basis and, if they cite an author or article they think worthwhile, I'll usually make the time to check it out.

P.S. Poor Pedro M! Just like the Coyote, always trying to catch the Roadrunner but always falling short. And, since it's a purely American reference, he probably won't recognize it and will have to look it up. That makes it even funnier, don't you think?

[Jmsuttr]

Any ideas on this? Is it just another American ploy to rip off the world? Any connections with America's captured bio labs in Ukraine? Is it one of the side effects of the Covid jabs? The gay guys coming down with it would be vulnerable as they inject themselves with all kinds of crap. It seems Bill Gates won't just FKK off. A real James Bond villain.

Is that what landed you in a Finnish hospital? Or was it your need for a series of rabies shots?

[Jmsuttr]

https://blogs.berkeley.edu/2022/05/1...a-ukraine-war/

See the Open Letter for full details, but here are the main points, or patterns, addressed:

Pattern #1: Denying Ukraine's sovereign integrity.

Pattern #2: Treating Ukraine as an American pawn on a geo-political chessboard.

Pattern #3. Suggesting that Russia was threatened by NATO.

Pattern #4. Stating that the USA Isn't any better than Russia.

Pattern #5. Whitewashing Putin's goals for invading Ukraine.

Pattern #6. Assuming that Putin is interested in a diplomatic solution.

Pattern #7. Advocating that yielding to Russian demands is the way to avert the nuclear war.

A thoughtful, respectful, and civil discussion and rebuttal. Something that's sadly lacking in many circles.

P.S. The pro-Russia characterization of Chomsky, et al, is mine alone, not the article's authors.

[Jmsuttr]

Azovstal is over.

Moscow, May 20. / TASS /. https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14689499.

"Russian Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu reported to Russian President Vladimir Putin on the completion of the operation and the complete liberation of the Azovstal plant and Mariupol from Ukrainian militants.

This was announced on Friday by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Major General Igor Konashenkov. "On the completion of the operation and the complete liberation of the plant and the city of Mariupol from Ukrainian militants, Russian Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu reported to Russian President Vladimir Putin," Konashenkov said. According to him, the territory of the plant, where a group of Ukrainian militants of the Nazi formation "Azov" has been blocked since April 21, has been completely liberated.

More than 500 militants from the factory as part of the last group surrendered on Friday. "Today, May 20, the last group of 531 militants surrendered," Konashenkov said.

"The so-called "commander" of the Nazis" Azov "because of the hatred of the Mariupol residents and the desire of the townspeople to punish him for numerous atrocities, was taken out of the territory of the plant in a special armored car," the Russian Defense Ministry said.

According to Konashenkov, the underground facilities of the enterprise, in which the militants hid, came under the full control of the RF Armed Forces.

"In total, since May 16 of this year, during the operation, 2,439 Azov Nazis and servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, blocked on the territory of the plant, laid down their arms and surrendered," said a representative of the Russian Defense Ministry."

Now, the Ukronazis can get back to winning the war are finishing off the rebellion.

By pointing out Mariupol's proximity to Russia, and the fact that it's taken nearly 3 months to overcome Ukrainian resistance, the clear conclusion is that any portrayal of it as a notable Russian "victory" is ludicrous.

And, at the time of my earlier post, there were conflicting reports as to whether all of the Ukrainian forces has surrendered or left. Please forgive me if I find your reference to an exclusively Russian source as less than persuasive. I prefer to wait for third-party confirmation, or the passage of a sufficient amount of time, as I never base any conclusion on official reports by either side.

But, if Russian sources are good enough for you, why not just declare the successful completion of the glorious "special operation" and we can all go back to our regular lives? I'm sure, if you look hard enough, you can find a Tass article to that effect.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

[Jmsuttr]

Of all the very many Americans I have met and worked with, I have respect for less than 1% of them and I am far from unique in that.

The worldwide audience of people who give a shit about the above statement is numbered at one. Of course, when you look at your bilious image in a mirror, then maybe you can fool yourself into thinking that two people give a shit. But hey, that's a 100% increase, right?

In the meantime, God Bles Russia.

This last statement says it all, doesn't it? It fully reveals you as a total, and completely pathetic, fascist-loving, Z-idolizing, LilliPutin-sycophant. Even a worm has more dignity.

[Jmsuttr]

Putin is a fucking moron, but I can't resist being his suck-buddy!

As Russia's downward spiral accelerates, Siberia is likely to end up as the luxury vacation destination for former oligarchs. And, as they slurp their thin gruel of potatoes and beets, they'll be dreaming about American hamburgers and wishing they could have one.

Anti-American rhetoric is as temporary as the morning fog. Once it's dissipated by the sun, the real world is clearly seen. And there is no real-world scenario in which Russia wins. Only various scenarios of defeat which range from embarrassment and temporary disruption to utter collapse and disintegration. And, no matter how the details of defeat play out, Putin will almost certainly be blamed and excoriated by the Russians themselves. Nothing worse than a "strong man" dictator who turns out to be a weak loser.

[WyattEarp]

"America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to decadence without the usual interval of civilization."

- G. Clemenceau (I. E. Some Frenchman).

The USA, "it is beyond that".

"The greatness of America lies not in being more enlightened than any other nation, but rather in her ability to repair her faults."

- A. Tocqueville (some Frenchman).

[WyattEarp]

.........USA has no culture beyond song and dance trash

You mean like the Russian symphony and ballet that they copied from Western Europe.

I like to think American movies are a big deal. When I travel, locals like to talk about American movies.

[PedroMorales]

Any ideas on this? Is it just another American ploy to rip off the world? Any connections with America's captured bio labs in Ukraine? Is it one of the side effects of the Covid jabs? The gay guys coming down with it would be vulnerable as they inject themselves with all kinds of crap. It seems Bill Gates won't just FKK off. A real James Bond villain.

[PedroMorales]

You're a fucking moron. I was on a suburban train some weeks ago, three loud mouthed Americans and me in my turf, coming from a place where there had been quite a few Americans idling about. When thinking about World War 4, think about those scenarios. In the mean time, get back to shooting up schools, synagogues, mosques and churches. It is what you hamburgers do best.

Typical American rant !

Golfinho must not be American. He has read a book.

I hope your Nazi pals from Mariupol enjoy Siberia. Plenty of room for more.