Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[WyattEarp]

Funny what can happen when people feel that the anonymity of a crowd enables them to speak freely. I haven't seen an estimate of the crowd size, but it appears to be in the thousands and possibly the tens of thousands.

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/russ...371-2022-05-24

And it's worth noting that St. Petersburg is one of the premier centers of ethnic Russia, and somewhere you'd expect pro-Putin sentiment to be at its highest. It'll be interesting to see what kinds of measures the Kremlin puts in place to ensure this doesn't happen again.

This certainly doesn't surprise anyone. Measuring Russian support for the war certainly depends on who you ask.

Given the cataclysmic events of the early 90's, one might expect older Russians to be more supportive of Russian intervention in the Ukraine. Younger Russians generally don't give a fuck.

[WyattEarp]

Without a doubt, but it begs the question, where did you get the idea that a monger forum is a good place to find integrity? LOL Wink.

Certainly an eye-opening thread here, I would say. We have at least one member / comrade / cheerleader who seems to have benefited (or should I say suffered) from Soviet education and propaganda.

It's kind of bizarre hearing the neo-Marxist perspective recited to attack America and the West. Putin and friends are so far removed from basic Marxist tenets on the distribution of wealth and capital. Basically, Russia over the last thirty years has stripped away the veneer of societal good from the Soviet days and revealed the brutal murderers and thugs.

[Paulie97]

Your insatiable man-crush on LilliPutin is something to behold! You just can't resist dropping little nuggets (or turds?) about Little Vlad's habits. When are you scheduled to have his baby?

About the Nobel Prize, about 962 people have received it over the history of the awards. And, while I'm sure there are examples that can be criticized or disagreed with, awards in the scientific categories are generally recognized as indicative of expertise in that discipline.

And, when someone is honored with a prize in physics, chemistry, physiology-medicine, or economic sciences, the specific discovery or body of work is detailed. There's certainly room for questioning the Peace Prize, as that has proven to be susceptible to political and popularity foibles. But there's no specific expertise associated with that award.

For the scientific discipline categories, however, if someone wants to assert that a prize is undeserved, then it's incumbent on them to demonstrate some error or deficiency with respect to the specific discovery, or body of work, for which the award was given.

BTW, I'd nominate Putin for the Nobel Peace Prize if he'd be so accommodating as to unholster his KGB gun and blow his own fucking brains out. That would be the clearest and best path to peace. And that goes double if he'd take out Shoigu at the same time. I'd add Gerasimov, but no one's seen him lately. So I'm guessing Putin already took care of him.

You know I don't really get what any of that has to do with anything. If you've read one of Pedro's posts you've read them all. Yes he believes all of Russia's state propaganda. Yes he hates America, Jews, and blacks. He's elderly as he tells us with health problems and is angry as hell. As the idiom so tells us, there's nothing to see here. At least nothing new or the least bit sophisticated or creative. Even all the insults are juvenile and repetitive. Yawns. You are his new mark I guess as everyone pretty much quit paying attention to him in American politics, and he quit showing up in the Colombia forum. He of course has never been there.

[Paulie97]

When people have the cloak of anonymity, their true nature comes out. They have no masks, no facades, and no social pressures to constrain them.

When there's a debate about a contentious topic, you can see exactly who is honest, reasonable, logical, etc. And you can clearly see who is not.

And I think that's proven true right here, as the vast majority of comments in this forum have been just fine. There have really only been a couple of pathetic losers who regularly resort to ad hominem and dishonesty, and everyone knows exactly who they are.

You are a bit sequestered here though the word is beginning to get out. Drop in on the American Politics thread in the Opinions section or Stupid Shit in Medellin under Colombia. It's a swarm of logical fallacies, the whole spectrum from straw men to proof by repetition, non-sequiturs to ad hominems and tu quoque, you name it. You'll also get a steady diet of the rightwingnut fake news of the day from youtubes, blogs, and Russian state media. A few of the guys you go at here are found there plus many more.

[Jmsuttr]

Fascinating letter which recognizes (and criticizes) the failure of the "special operation" and calls for full mobilization and total war.

https://m-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/4243623.html

Here's the opening section:

"We, veterans of the Armed Forces and special services of Russia, united in the All-Russian Officers' Assembly, together with the majority of our people, enthusiastically supported the decision of the President of the Russian Federation and Supreme Commander-in-Chief V. V. Putin on the conduct of a special military operation for the armed protection of the inhabitants of the DPR and LPR, the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. At the same time, carefully analyzing the course of almost three months of hostilities, we came to the conclusion that the special military operation that began on February 24, unfortunately, ended in failure: after a month of hostilities, Russian troops retreated from the captured bridgeheads near Kyiv, left the liberated territories in Sumy and Chernihiv regions in the north and Mykolaiv region in the south of the so-called Ukraine. All this happened under the pretext of displaying the "good will" of the President of the Russian Federation. But the question naturally arose in our minds: whose evil will was carried out by citizen V. Putin, giving the troops a humiliating order to retreat".

And there's much more. This letter is an eye-opening look at the delusion, paranoia, and warped world-view that underpin Russian support for this war, and should be required reading for anyone who believes there's a rational basis for negotiations, or common ground of any kind. In fact, these war-hawk extremists are those who, if Putin ends up getting deposed or sidelined, will most likely be responsible. And then one of their leaders will be calling the shots, both figuratively and literally.

Note: The letter is in Russian so you'll need to use your preferred translation method. Opening the link with the Chrome browser is one easy way, as the translation prompt should open automatically.

[Jmsuttr]

For the Nobel Peace Prize (for not invading Austria). Obama, Mr Drone Man, was given it for being a whiter shade of non-pale. Kissinger was given it for murdering Vietnamese children. Our Hasbara troll here should get it for his non stop BS. After all Winston Churchill, the Anglo American drunk, got the Nobel Prize for Literature because the Peace one was already taken.

You got to love Americans, the most stupid fatties on the planet. That said, the question: who gets it right more often: the Simpsons or South Park? I go with South Park though I am not really a cartoon guy.

Funny all these attacks on peace maker Vlad Putin. Anyone know why he walks with a stiff right arm? (to stay near his gun, standard KGB operating procedure). Putin and his pals saved Russia, good people. Now they are saving Ukraine. And sending their remaining shit to Israel.

The game goes on but not, for the moment for me as I am still nursing injuries (age). I might watch a little of Scarface? You know what is the best part of the best Hollywood directors? They acknowledge their debt to Mother Russia (and France, of course).

Your insatiable man-crush on LilliPutin is something to behold! You just can't resist dropping little nuggets (or turds?) about Little Vlad's habits. When are you scheduled to have his baby?

About the Nobel Prize, about 962 people have received it over the history of the awards. And, while I'm sure there are examples that can be criticized or disagreed with, awards in the scientific categories are generally recognized as indicative of expertise in that discipline.

And, when someone is honored with a prize in physics, chemistry, physiology-medicine, or economic sciences, the specific discovery or body of work is detailed. There's certainly room for questioning the Peace Prize, as that has proven to be susceptible to political and popularity foibles. But there's no specific expertise associated with that award.

For the scientific discipline categories, however, if someone wants to assert that a prize is undeserved, then it's incumbent on them to demonstrate some error or deficiency with respect to the specific discovery, or body of work, for which the award was given.

BTW, I'd nominate Putin for the Nobel Peace Prize if he'd be so accommodating as to unholster his KGB gun and blow his own fucking brains out. That would be the clearest and best path to peace. And that goes double if he'd take out Shoigu at the same time. I'd add Gerasimov, but no one's seen him lately. So I'm guessing Putin already took care of him.

[Jmsuttr]

Without a doubt, but it begs the question, where did you get the idea that a monger forum is a good place to find integrity? LOL Wink.

When people have the cloak of anonymity, their true nature comes out. They have no masks, no facades, and no social pressures to constrain them.

When there's a debate about a contentious topic, you can see exactly who is honest, reasonable, logical, etc. And you can clearly see who is not.

And I think that's proven true right here, as the vast majority of comments in this forum have been just fine. There have really only been a couple of pathetic losers who regularly resort to ad hominem and dishonesty, and everyone knows exactly who they are.

[Golfinho]

Congratulations.

Destroyed. Along with the nazi criminals, err evacuated freedom fighters who preferred to face trial in the Donetsk Republic which has the death penalty.

[Paulie97]

Congratulations.

It took three months, but after tucking tail and running out of Kyiv and Kharkiv, getting nowhere in the Donbas, and 20 K+ dead soldiers, more than was lost in nine years in Afghanistan, the "super power" finally has something to cheer about, Mariupol, a port city a few miles from their border. And they blew up 20 K plus civilians in the process. It's too bad this fell short of the May 9 celebration, quite a muted affair indeed. Wink.

[Jmsuttr]

Paging comrade Krugman for third-party confirmation.

Here's the quote, in context:

"By pointing out Mariupol's proximity to Russia, and the fact that it's taken nearly 3 months to overcome Ukrainian resistance, the clear conclusion is that any portrayal of it as a notable Russian "victory" is ludicrous.

And, at the time of my earlier post, there were conflicting reports as to whether all of the Ukrainian forces has surrendered or left. Please forgive me if I find your reference to an exclusively Russian source as less than persuasive. I prefer to wait for third-party confirmation, or the passage of a sufficient amount of time, as I never base any conclusion on official reports by either side".

So, as is incontestably apparent, to all but the delusional and (or) dishonest, the "third-party confirmation" phrase clearly refers to matters of fact. In this particular case it concerned the actual status of Ukrainian troops in Mariupol because, unlike your reliance on Russian propaganda, I refuse to rely on official sources from either side.

Once again you've dropped your pants and revealed how pathetic and puny your (intellectual) equipment is. Maybe you should invest in a prosthetic?

Or perhaps the problem is that you simply have difficulty differentiating fact from opinion? Here's a primer: Facts refer to things like reality-based events and circumstances that can be objectively verified. And, since objectivity is key, parties who have their own agendas are inherently problematic and confirmation by a reliable third party is both desirable and appropriate. None of that applies to matters of opinion. In that arena, there is no such thing as third-party "confirmation" because that only means that you've found another person who happens to agrees with a certain opinion.

Big fucking deal and so fucking what! You could have a million people agreeing with one side of a debatable issue (like the effects of Russian sanctions) and that still doesn't make it right. Debates are won by evidence and logic. But I guess those two concepts are like a foreign language to you, as is honesty. It must really suck for those in your circle of family and (if you have any) friends to have to endure the odious presence someone with your deceptive and manipulative tendencies. You should conduct an anonymous poll of your associates. I'm betting the results would be mind-blowingly, off-the-charts, negative. Oh, and I'd be happy to volunteer for third-party confirmation!

[PedroMorales]

Krugman? That's your idea of third party confirmation? LOL. A prime example of the Nobel Dynomite awards degenerated to political theatre.

For the Nobel Peace Prize (for not invading Austria). Obama, Mr Drone Man, was given it for being a whiter shade of non-pale. Kissinger was given it for murdering Vietnamese children. Our Hasbara troll here should get it for his non stop BS. After all Winston Churchill, the Anglo American drunk, got the Nobel Prize for Literature because the Peace one was already taken.

You got to love Americans, the most stupid fatties on the planet. That said, the question: who gets it right more often: the Simpsons or South Park? I go with South Park though I am not really a cartoon guy.

Funny all these attacks on peace maker Vlad Putin. Anyone know why he walks with a stiff right arm? (to stay near his gun, standard KGB operating procedure). Putin and his pals saved Russia, good people. Now they are saving Ukraine. And sending their remaining shit to Israel.

The game goes on but not, for the moment for me as I am still nursing injuries (age). I might watch a little of Scarface? You know what is the best part of the best Hollywood directors? They acknowledge their debt to Mother Russia (and France, of course).

[WyattEarp]

Azovstal steel plant utterly destroyed.

Congratulations.

[Paulie97]

One of the key elements of an intellectually honest debate is accurately portraying the other person's positions and statements, even if you disagree. Engaging in distortion or, even worse, ad hominem, is a clear indication that you're unwilling or unable to debate on the merits of the argument itself.

Without a doubt, but it begs the question, where did you get the idea that a monger forum is a good place to find integrity? LOL Wink.

[Golfinho]

I prefer to wait for third-party confirmation, or the passage of a sufficient amount of time, as I never base any conclusion on official reports by either side.

Paging comrade Krugman for third-party confirmation.

[Jmsuttr]

Funny what can happen when people feel that the anonymity of a crowd enables them to speak freely. I haven't seen an estimate of the crowd size, but it appears to be in the thousands and possibly the tens of thousands.

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/russ...371-2022-05-24

And it's worth noting that St. Petersburg is one of the premier centers of ethnic Russia, and somewhere you'd expect pro-Putin sentiment to be at its highest. It'll be interesting to see what kinds of measures the Kremlin puts in place to ensure this doesn't happen again.