Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[FilthyBeaver]

It takes 2-3 years for intelligence services to do their own various assessments before they start funneling actionable tactical support. Up to now it's only been strategic. Give it another 6-12 months.

The CIA and MI6 has failed miserably in Ukraine. The country is slowly being destroyed and taken over.

Any Guerrilla warfare will result in more death and destruction. Russia will not pay games with Ukraine, they will just take more lives and territory.

[FilthyBeaver]

So his stated goal of removing nazis and being laughed out of bucha in the first few months were a dream of mine? I'm not pro anything, I'm looking at facts and correcting ignorance. How are removing the "nazi regime" and proping up a pro soviet government in Kabul different?

I can't wait to hear this answer.

He's only interested in what he's interested in now because his army turned out to be a paper tiger and he can only hope to hold these areas as he hasn't a prayer of taking the rest.

One of the things that came with my erectile dysfunction is age, experience, and living though a significant amount of history. Pick almost any conflict in history that ended in a war of attrition and I'll show you an aggressor that lost. If you don't understand this I can't help you.

Afghanistan and Eastern Ukraine are like I said apples and oranges. You also are ignoring the fact that Putin does NOT want to conquer all of Ukraine, despite what the pathetic main stream western media tells you. He is only interested in what is east of the Dniper + Odessa, all the territories that are historically Russian and have large numbers of ethnic speaking Russians. Now if he tried to conquer western Ukraine like Lviv, then I agree with you, he will face a fierce resistance. But he has no desire to cross the Dniper at this point other than to take Odessa.

[Riina]

Ukraine CANNOT win this. They are out of manpower.

Excellent post. I see a lot of fresh Ukrainian men in my US city and it is sad to know sick bastards in the West are scheming how to get this fresh meat back to the motherland.

[Blood Red]

BloodResd, XMan lives in a fantasy world, do not pay attention to him. I honestly think he believes war is a Video Game, and you can just re-set when you are losing.

Ukraine was played by the west and the Euros, what a waste.

Ukraine never had a chance, they could have gotten decent deal at the beginning, but they choose to push there luck. Now they will end up with almost nothing, and if they do not surrender quickly the will lose everything. Those that are crazy enough to believe Ukraine will be able to continue with a guerrilla war are in.

In complete denial.

What I find astonishing that a lot of Pro Ukrainian folks still don't get some very basic things:

The collective west is interested in PUNISHING and hurting Russia, NOT in helping Ukraine win. Hell, Lloyd Austin said this in 2022, that America wanted to weaken Russia, he said nothing about Ukraine winning.

This is about feeding the military industrial complex using Ukrainians as cannon fodder. The western leaders have said so many times, shamelessly, that is is Ukrainians dying, not their people. These people are sick.

Ukraine CANNOT win this. They are out of manpower. The collective west doesn't have the weapons in the quantity that Ukraine needs, nor can they produce them in the amount that Ukraine needs. The longer this goes on, the more territory Ukraine will lose, and another generation of men will die for nothing. For Gods sake, talk peace for once.

[Blood Red]

Nobody is going to change anyone's mind but are you guys not aware of history? Our Vietnam, their Afghanistan. Far superior forces lost a war of attrition to a much less powerful force over the course of a decade. Russia went in to support a soviet friendly government that was largely unpopular, the only difference between then and now is the the Ukrainians already threw out the Russian friendly government. Guess what happens in about 10 years from now? Putin will be dead, do you think the next guy wants this headache, that he didn't start? I believe putin was driving a cab around the time the afghan war was winding down so maybe he didn't have the time to grab a newspaper and learn something. Then again the info was all state controlled so maybe I can't blame him for being ignorant here.

I generally agree that it will be very difficult if not impossible for Ukraine to get any of the seized land back and I doubt very seriously that it can be done militarily but it is absolutely possible politically. As Ukrainian special forces establish guerilla tactics on land, the Russians will get tired of dying over time. They have already, very successfully, rendered the black sea fleet useless. Why couldn't they do the same on the ground? When you're fighting for your very existence you can do a lot more than the side that has no idea why it's there. The CIA thrives in proping up local governments in situations like this. The Ukrainians will get all they need to make Russians in the occupied territory miserable for as long as they want.

Afghanistan and Eastern Ukraine are like I said apples and oranges. You also are ignoring the fact that Putin does NOT want to conquer all of Ukraine, despite what the pathetic main stream western media tells you. He is only interested in what is east of the Dniper + Odessa, all the territories that are historically Russian and have large numbers of ethnic speaking Russians. Now if he tried to conquer western Ukraine like Lviv, then I agree with you, he will face a fierce resistance. But he has no desire to cross the Dniper at this point other than to take Odessa.

[Questner]

The current occupant of the Ukrainian presidency has been just added to the Wanted list by the Interior Ministry of the RF together with the former occupant and a bunch of others. Just a reminder, the present term of the presidency and all Rada are going to expire on May 21,2024 absent the elections.

It has been reported, true to the fact, that clowns and pole sportsmen (your striptease dancers) can dodge the newly Ukrainian draft as essential workers.

[DramaFree11]

Nobody is going to change anyone's mind but are you guys not aware of history? Our Vietnam, their Afghanistan. Far superior forces lost a war of attrition to a much less powerful force over the course of a decade. Russia went in to support a soviet friendly government that was largely unpopular, the only difference between then and now is the the Ukrainians already threw out the Russian friendly government. Guess what happens in about 10 years from now? Putin will be dead, do you think the next guy wants this headache, that he didn't start? I believe putin was driving a cab around the time the afghan war was winding down so maybe he didn't have the time to grab a newspaper and learn something. Then again the info was all state controlled so maybe I can't blame him for being ignorant here.

I generally agree that it will be very difficult if not impossible for Ukraine to get any of the seized land back and I doubt very seriously that it can be done militarily but it is absolutely possible politically. As Ukrainian special forces establish guerilla tactics on land, the Russians will get tired of dying over time. They have already, very successfully, rendered the black sea fleet useless. Why couldn't they do the same on the ground? When you're fighting for your very existence you can do a lot more than the side that has no idea why it's there. The CIA thrives in proping up local governments in situations like this. The Ukrainians will get all they need to make Russians in the occupied territory miserable for as long as they want.

The CIA and MI6 has failed miserably in Ukraine. The country is slowly being destroyed and taken over.

Any Guerrilla warfare will result in more death and destruction. Russia will not pay games with Ukraine, they will just take more lives and territory.

[FilthyBeaver]

Nobody is going to change anyone's mind but are you guys not aware of history? Our Vietnam, their Afghanistan. Far superior forces lost a war of attrition to a much less powerful force over the course of a decade. Russia went in to support a soviet friendly government that was largely unpopular, the only difference between then and now is the the Ukrainians already threw out the Russian friendly government. Guess what happens in about 10 years from now? Putin will be dead, do you think the next guy wants this headache, that he didn't start? I believe putin was driving a cab around the time the afghan war was winding down so maybe he didn't have the time to grab a newspaper and learn something. Then again the info was all state controlled so maybe I can't blame him for being ignorant here.

I generally agree that it will be very difficult if not impossible for Ukraine to get any of the seized land back and I doubt very seriously that it can be done militarily but it is absolutely possible politically. As Ukrainian special forces establish guerilla tactics on land, the Russians will get tired of dying over time. They have already, very successfully, rendered the black sea fleet useless. Why couldn't they do the same on the ground? When you're fighting for your very existence you can do a lot more than the side that has no idea why it's there. The CIA thrives in proping up local governments in situations like this. The Ukrainians will get all they need to make Russians in the occupied territory miserable for as long as they want.

BloodResd, XMan lives in a fantasy world, do not pay attention to him. I honestly think he believes war is a Video Game, and you can just re-set when you are losing.

Ukraine was played by the west and the Euros, what a waste.

Ukraine never had a chance, they could have gotten decent deal at the beginning, but they choose to push there luck. Now they will end up with almost nothing, and if they do not surrender quickly the will lose everything. Those that are crazy enough to believe Ukraine will be able to continue with a guerrilla war are in.

In complete denial.

[DramaFree11]

Good luck.

BloodResd, XMan lives in a fantasy world, do not pay attention to him. I honestly think he believes war is a Video Game, and you can just re-set when you are losing.

Ukraine was played by the west and the Euros, what a waste.

Ukraine never had a chance, they could have gotten decent deal at the beginning, but they choose to push there luck. Now they will end up with almost nothing, and if they do not surrender quickly the will lose everything. Those that are crazy enough to believe Ukraine will be able to continue with a guerrilla war are in.

In complete denial.

[Blood Red]

You're a funny guy. It's as if Dr. Goebbels asked on the radio in the winter of 1942:

- So has Russia taken back Kyiv?

- Have they broken the siege of Leningrad?

- Have they retaken Crimea?

But oh my, what a difference a couple of years can make!

So like you said, reality will soon catch up with you, and it won't be pretty.

The Evil Empire is doomed this time, and the Ukrainians are the straw that will have broken the camel's back.

Good luck.

[Xpartan]

Ukrainians fighting for these existence is definitely a huge plus for them. We need to be clear though. Ethnic "Russians" aren't dying enmass (unless you want to talk about the prisoners they let out to be cannon fodder). It's the tartars and other poor central Asian "Russians" that are being ground into meat. If they were plucking kids from Moscow or St Petersburg and sending them to the front, even Putin wouldn't survive the backlash.

Ukraine is outmanned for sure but the gorilla war they will rage if they lose conventionaly with send the Russians back to Moscow just like the Afghan tribes did in the 80's (with our help, BTW). They can't win over time. Putin didn't learn a damn thing.

You're right that Putin's henchmen are trying to avoid drafting too many Moscovites, but the Russians from other regions (including ethnic Russians) do a lot of dying still. Every regional head has their quotas, and they don't have a 'luxury' to draft 'non-Russians" only. The only Putin's ally who doesn't have to pull his weight in terms of the quotas is Chechnya's Kadyrov due to his special relationship with the boss.

Also, I must say I'm a little more optimistic. I don't think Putin has a chance to make such substantial territorial gains that the gorilla war will become the only option for resistance. He's bound to run out of time and man power despite the propaganda and poker face.

[Blood Red]

Ukraine is outmanned for sure but the gorilla war they will rage if they lose conventionaly with send the Russians back to Moscow just like the Afghan tribes did in the 80's (with our help, BTW). They can't win over time. Putin didn't learn a damn thing.

That's like comparing apples and oranges. Ukraine isn't Afghanistan, to compare the 2 scenarios is ridiculous. No doubt the collective west will sponsor an insurgency, but Ukraine is never getting Crimea or the 4 new territories back, ever.

[Xpartan]

So tell me, has Ukraine retaken Crimea? Did they reach to the sea of Azov after taking Robotnye during their FAILED counter offensive last year? Was the land bridge severed? You are delusional. But reality will soon catch up with you mate. And then you'll just make excuses.

You're a funny guy. It's as if Dr. Goebbels asked on the radio in the winter of 1942:

- So has Russia taken back Kyiv?

- Have they broken the siege of Leningrad?

- Have they retaken Crimea?

But oh my, what a difference a couple of years can make!

So like you said, reality will soon catch up with you, and it won't be pretty.

The Evil Empire is doomed this time, and the Ukrainians are the straw that will have broken the camel's back.

[FilthyBeaver]

Ukrainians fighting for these existence is definitely a huge plus for them. We need to be clear though. Ethnic "Russians" aren't dying enmass (unless you want to talk about the prisoners they let out to be cannon fodder). It's the tartars and other poor central Asian "Russians" that are being ground into meat. If they were plucking kids from Moscow or St Petersburg and sending them to the front, even Putin wouldn't survive the backlash.

Ukraine is outmanned for sure but the gorilla war they will rage if they lose conventionaly with send the Russians back to Moscow just like the Afghan tribes did in the 80's (with our help, BTW). They can't win over time. Putin didn't learn a damn thing.

Great analyses. I'd only argue that the Ukrainians are more stubborn than the Russians, maybe because unlike the Russians, they're defending their homeland. The Russians are forced into relentless waves of what they call "meat assaults" by their commanders, and the only reason they keep fighting is because they're scared of their own bosses more than they are of the Ukrainians (and for a good reason too).

Moscow's 'meat wave' tactic litters Ukraine battlefield with frozen corpses of Russian troops.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/news/m...ussian-troops/

'They're Just Choosing Where To Die. ' When Russia's Poorly-Trained Stormtroopers Retreat, Russian Barrier Troops Gun Them Down.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=1bf7852375a0

At some point though, sheepish as they are, Russian grunts will have enough and embark on slitting the throats of their officers and deserting en mass. That's how the Russian Civil War came around -- the one that claimed at least 10 million lives.

And mass desertions, by the way, have already started.

Russian Military Hit by Mass Desertions.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukra...ctions-1881268

[Blood Red]

So the first part (resumption of the US military aid) has almost come true, much earlier than I anticipated.

And the last 6 months have proved that Ukraine can stand on its own even with Russia's artillery advantage of 6-10 to 1, denying the aggressor any significant gains and making them pay in tens of thousands of dead and crippled Russian solders for every village and township they've managed to "conquer" so far.

In the meantime, Ukraine keeps destroying the Russian Navy and hitting military targets and fuel refineries deep inside Russia reducing aggressor's economic means needed to finance the war.

The age of empires is gone.

So tell me, has Ukraine retaken Crimea? Did they reach to the sea of Azov after taking Robotnye during their FAILED counter offensive last year? Was the land bridge severed? You are delusional. But reality will soon catch up with you mate. And then you'll just make excuses.