Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Jmsuttr]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kamilkaza...03672019513345

A bit long, but worth a read, IMO. The author makes the point that Russia's mismanagement of areas it's controlled, such as Crimea and Donbass, has had a negative effect on pro-Russia attitudes.

Those who have lived in Ukraine can validate, or refute, from their personal knowledge. It's beyond my experience, but it does make for an interesting hypothesis as to why cities like Kharkiv are strongly resisting, rather than welcoming Russia.

[Jmsuttr]

I total not agree.

I'm still in Ukraine running supplies from west to central Ukrain.

Stayed in Central ukraine 150 Km west of Dnipro until 7 days ago, had to move more west due to the family.

But I'm still running supplies back and forth, and I not seen any negativity against me, more on the checkpost they like WTF why you still here.

Most people I speak with also understand why Nato just not can't close the sky, but the weapons that's coming in are helping.

Those who say this is a loosing battle have no clue about what's going on here on the ground, I don't say Ukraine will win yet, but they dint loose any SET yet if we can use tennis terms.

After reading some expressions of concern about possible anti-foreigner sentiment, I thought it was worth pointing out how extreme stress can affect people. My hope was to promote a level of patience and understanding for anyone who might have a negative encounter.

I'm very glad to hear about your positive experiences and I fervently hope and pray for your continued safety. You didn't mention your country of origin but, from your writing style (please correct me if I'm wrong) I'm guessing it's not the US or UK, which is one of the variable factors I discussed in my post. You also mentioned two other things: family and the fact that you're helping out by transporting supplies. I'm guessing that people with significant ties to Ukraine, like family connections, speaking the language, residing in the country, helping in the war effort (and similar), are going to be viewed differently. Again, I'm happy to hear about your positive experience. Long may it continue!

BTW, I completely agree with your assessment of Putin's non-progress. This is a war of attrition and the longer Ukraine holds out (with NATO's help) the more the pressure on Putin mounts. I have no crystal ball for the future, but what's clear thus far is that Russia's initial plan has failed and Russia has become a pariah state.

[Neurosynth]

So I went back to reread HulaHoop's supposed posts from Kyiv. Here are some things I noticed.

He first started posting (other than the single post a year ago) on 2/25. On that very first day he started to allege that Ukrainians hate foreigners.

He uses the Russian version "Kiev" rather than the Ukrainian version "Kyiv". (But that may just be an age thing I suppose.).

He emphasizes that he and his friends are all white more than once.

He reports Russian tanks on the streets of Kiev. Has that happened yet, let alone on 2/25?

In virtually every post he says the locals hate foreigners because their home countries have not come to the aid of Ukraine.

On 3/3 he says "I've never been in a place that's racist to white people before. ".

On 3/4 he shifts from warning other mongers to warning would be volunteers, with a dose of defeatism: "To any foreign volunteer: do not believe the Ukrainian propaganda! The military situation in Ukraine is dire, the media will have you think that Ukraine is winning. That is not the case whatsoever! Please be careful. ".

Is this beyond a reasonable doubt evidence? No. But I’ve noted that today HulaHoop has remained logged in for hours at a time. That, and all of the above, sounds more like a troll than a guy in his 60’s thinking that now was the time to go fishing in Ukraine. With a bunch of friends who agreed no less.

[Neurosynth]

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HulaHoops has also been saying the Ukrainians now hate foreigners…

Which is exactly the kind of thing a Russian troll would say.

[Sorbonne]

Who knows what the future will hold. What we know for sure is that Ukraine will be a very different place when this is over.

I don't know how my post below ended up in the other "Stupid Shit" thread:

HulaHoops has also been saying the Ukrainians now hate foreigners. That is a grave concern, if we ever return.

Even during the pandemic I started feeling that people have not been as friendly as they were before the pandemic in this provincial city I was living in, which has been bombarded by now.

I did hear from the former freebee girl. She's still in Kyiv and is saying that now is not time to get divorced as she doesn't have money. So she has to stay in Ukraine, as her husband is not allowed to leave the country.

It may be even safe to say party is over for us in Ukraine. On the other hand, the condition may be set for us in Russia if it goes back to the Soviet time. Who knows?

[WyattEarp]

Those who say this is a loosing battle have no clue about what's going on here on the ground, I don't say Ukraine will win yet, but they dint loose any SET yet if we can use tennis terms.

Sadly, we can't go back to love-love. I don't think Putin knows what this word means.

[Neurosynth]

HulaHoops is a fraud. The account was created with a single "what's up?" post a year ago and then nothing until a string of posts about being in Ukraine. Whether this was a sleeper account created by Russian paid trolls is a matter for speculation. It might just be an individual troll in need of attention.

But his attempt to vilify the people of Ukraine, people who are supposedly keeping him alive even as the Russians are trying to kill him, is highly suspect at best.

Let's not give this guy what he wants.

[WyattEarp]

Ukrainians are under attack and, while the primary object of hate is Putin (plus all his supporters and enablers), it's not surprising that they might feel varying levels of anger at those countries they think could and should be doing more to help.

The "No Fly Zone" is probably the best current example. It's perfectly rational and reasonable for NATO countries to point out how the imposition of a NFZ would escalate the situation and likely make things worse. But Ukrainians who've lost loved ones and seen their towns and cities reduced to rubble aren't feeling particularly reasonable, and their responses are (understandably) coming from an emotional place, not a rational one.

Such strength of feeling is likely to last a long time for many, perhaps even generations. While there will certainly be individual, and perhaps regional, variations, it's my guess the level of anger against non-aggressors will be highest against the stronger NATO countries, such as the US, UK, Germany, etc. That's simply a function of the fact that they have more power to help and, in the minds of many (most?) Ukrainians, have failed to do so or failed to do enough.

It's impossible to predict the future, and much depends on how long the war continues, and how it ends, but the country and its people have already been permanently scarred. Which means that it will be prudent for anyone visiting Ukraine to take that into account.

Depending on the post-war peace that is negotiated, it is possible the West can help rebuild the Ukraine. I'm not sure Putin will tolerate this. Perhaps if the Ukraine agrees to be a neutral state. I certainly don't think this is what Putin envisioned when he invaded the Ukraine.

[WyattEarp]

Total troll fake account, zero proof he's their and nothing to show, I wasn't believing it from the get go, sad! Anyone that is their going through it I hope finds a safe way home, talking about bad karma on him, stay safe!

It is a little hard to believe that a foreigner currently stuck in Kiev, would make posting on ISG a priority. You think they would spend every waking moment trying to figure out how to head West and get the fuck out of the Ukraine.

[Hestendk]

Ukrainians are under attack and, while the primary object of hate is Putin (plus all his supporters and enablers), it's not surprising that they might feel varying levels of anger at those countries they think could and should be doing more to help.

The "No Fly Zone" is probably the best current example. It's perfectly rational and reasonable for NATO countries to point out how the imposition of a NFZ would escalate the situation and likely make things worse. But Ukrainians who've lost loved ones and seen their towns and cities reduced to rubble aren't feeling particularly reasonable, and their responses are (understandably) coming from an emotional place, not a rational one.

Such strength of feeling is likely to last a long time for many, perhaps even generations. While there will certainly be individual, and perhaps regional, variations, it's my guess the level of anger against non-aggressors will be highest against the stronger NATO countries, such as the US, UK, Germany, etc. That's simply a function of the fact that they have more power to help and, in the minds of many (most?) Ukrainians, have failed to do so or failed to do enough.

It's impossible to predict the future, and much depends on how long the war continues, and how it ends, but the country and its people have already been permanently scarred. Which means that it will be prudent for anyone visiting Ukraine to take that into account.

I total not agree.

I'm still in Ukraine running supplies from west to central Ukrain.

Stayed in Central ukraine 150 Km west of Dnipro until 7 days ago, had to move more west due to the family.

But I'm still running supplies back and forth, and I not seen any negativity against me, more on the checkpost they like WTF why you still here.

Most people I speak with also understand why Nato just not can't close the sky, but the weapons that's coming in are helping.

Those who say this is a loosing battle have no clue about what's going on here on the ground, I don't say Ukraine will win yet, but they dint loose any SET yet if we can use tennis terms.

[The Cane]

Russia supplies the world with fertilizer for their crops they have sanctioned the US to not receive any until at least after December, the only thing that is crippling is this administration.

So let them take their fertilizer and shove it up their collective asses. Let's see what that does for the value of the ruble.

[RacShack]

HulaHoops is a fraud. The account was created with a single "what's up?" post a year ago and then nothing until a string of posts about being in Ukraine. Whether this was a sleeper account created by Russian paid trolls is a matter for speculation. It might just be an individual troll in need of attention.

Total troll fake account, zero proof he's their and nothing to show, I wasn't believing it from the get go, sad! Anyone that is their going through it I hope finds a safe way home, talking about bad karma on him, stay safe!

[Neurosynth]

HulaHoops has also been saying the Ukrainians now hate foreigners. That is a grave concern, if we ever return.

Even during the pandemic I started feeling that people have not been as friendly as they were before the pandemic in this provincial city I was living in, which has been bombarded by now.

I did hear from the former freebee girl. She's still in Kyiv and is saying now is not time to get divorced, so she has to stay in Ukraine, as her husband is not allowed to leave the country.

It may be even safe to say party is over for us in Ukraine. On the other hand, the condition may be set for us in Russia if it goes back to the Soviet time. Who knows?

HulaHoops is a fraud. The account was created with a single "what's up?" post a year ago and then nothing until a string of posts about being in Ukraine. Whether this was a sleeper account created by Russian paid trolls is a matter for speculation. It might just be an individual troll in need of attention.

[Sorbonne]

What we know for sure is that Ukraine will be a very different place when this is over.

HulaHoops has also been saying the Ukrainians now hate foreigners. That is a grave concern, if we ever return.

Even during the pandemic I started feeling that people have not been as friendly as they were before the pandemic in this provincial city I was living in, which has been bombarded by now.

I did hear from the former freebee girl. She's still in Kyiv and is saying that now is not time to get divorced as she doesn't have money. So she has to stay in Ukraine, as her husband is not allowed to leave the country.

It may be even safe to say party is over for us in Ukraine. On the other hand, the condition may be set for us in Russia if it goes back to the Soviet time. Who knows?

[WyattEarp]

Clearly a Russian troll.

Tomasb,

There are also some anti-American, anti-West Marxists scattered about social media. They're taking up this Ukraine war to bash the USA And its Western allies again. They don't seem to realize Russia and China are now as far from Marxist as you can get.

Of course, politics makes strange bedfellows.