Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Kozerog]

But anyway, WW II, should we have just sat that one out Pat?

Not sat it out entirely, but no reason to favor USSR versus Nazi Germany. We could have negotiated with Hitler and thus pitted a weak Germany versus a weak USSR (possibly with independent Ukraine) and thus prevented USSR dominance after WW2.

As for the blessed jews, just as many people died under Stalin and Mao, there was the Rwanda atrocity which is now mostly forgotten, the mostly forgotten Pol Pot atrocity in Cambodia, the on going Yemen catastrophe, etc, etc. But only the poor Jews seem to matter, and only the Jews get exempt from scrutiny about Nazi like concentration camps in Gaza, and about nuclear and biological weapons proliferation, and anyone who questions why the blessed jews are so special is an anti-Semite.

But anyone who thinks there's no trouble with worldwide autocracy today ...

And how does bringing Russia and China together help with this? How did USA intervention in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya make democracy flourish in those countries?

USA cannot rule the world alone because modern technology (drone subs, smart torpedoes) undermines ability of USA to project military power. Like ancient Athens, USA can only dominate via alliances, and right now we are alienating our single most important potential ally, which is Russia.

With Russia as USA ally, China is blocked on all sides. With Russia as China's ally, providing the energy and raw materials China would otherwise need to import by sea lanes, China is in a position to drive the USA out of Asia entirely, which will have massive political and economic repercussions. Very very stupid of USA to be bringing about Russia-China alliance.

Buchanan has another essay up today at that site. Similar points as what I am making.

[John Clayton]

More American mercenaries have met their Maker in Donbas. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...as/7925220001/ Shudda stayed in Memphis, Elvis.

Former see / S of the British forces now admits Ukraine is beaten and the glorious Russian Army have won. Suck it up. Or, better still, copy Memphis boy.

PedroMorales is a paid Russian troll.

[PedroMorales]

More American mercenaries have met their Maker in Donbas. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...as/7925220001/ Shudda stayed in Memphis, Elvis.

Former see / S of the British forces now admits Ukraine is beaten and the glorious Russian Army have won. Suck it up. Or, better still, copy Memphis boy.

[Xpartan]

Monroe Doctrine originated in 1823 not 1923, typo.

I didn't mean to say Russia "will be ended by this war". The Russian Empire will, without a doubt, fail spectacularly, but Russia is here to stay. Hopefully, in a smaller and less homicidal state then the Third Rome.

[Paulie97]

Monroe Doctrine originated in 1823 not 1923, typo.

[Paulie97]

https://original.antiwar.com/buchana...-mortal-enemy/

Forgot to read this one. It's a classic case of Buchanan cherry picking the historical evidence along with fallacious comparisons seen through his isolationist lens. He mocks the French Revolution while ignoring the American and fruitful democracy that followed. He cherry picks quotes from the Founders, but out of context as we then were a new, weak, and vulnerable nation. Preservation was the aim as we weren't a major power. Nonetheless both Washington and Jefferson advocated foreign trade and saw a place for foreign alliances in the matter of war.

https://www.americanforeignrelations...-founders.html

Then Pat leaps to WW II complaining about Stalin while Hitler gets a total pass. This isn't surprising given his past associations with Holocaust revisionists while personally advocating some of the same.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB940785195432234780

But anyway, WW II, should we have just sat that one out Pat? Had he been involved in politics back then that's certainly the side he would have taken. US isolationism is an old scrouge that never learns.

Then he's off to Nicaragua, well yea, there were some alliances with dictators in opposition to worldwide communism. It was the lessor of two evils dilemma and the Monroe Doctrine (1923). Be sure that South Korea is very glad we didn't sit their cause out in the 50's.

But anyone who thinks there's no trouble with worldwide autocracy today wasn't paying attention with Trump's light then violent coup efforts culminating in Jan 6th and the ongoing nonsense that follows it now, both in the US and in Europe, all of course omitted from Pat's analysis. Or even in the microcosm of the same here in a hooker forum where Ukraine's quest for democracy is downplayed along with their significant progress toward reforms since 2014 and the break with Russia. This while the vile behavior and society which is Russia is either embraced or swept under the rug.

Pat can do his cherry picked, agenda driven history lessons but we are going to keep supporting democracy and sending Ukraine the desired weapons. The world is a community and we and our allies have a role to play, both in trade and defense.

Buchanan is what he is, a biased far right ideologue that latches onto what suits his preconceptions and ignores what doesn't. It's the realm where half-truths are linked together to create untruths, using history in a way to further his politics, and in a way that responsible professional historians never do. But he's still a step up from Blumenthal so I stand by my congratulations, though with less enthusiasm after now refreshing my memory. He's been off the radar for a good while.

[Paulie97]

Latest from Pat Buchanan, American political commentator, columnist, politician, assistant and special consultant to USA Presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan:

https://original.antiwar.com/buchana...-mortal-enemy/

His previous analysis also very accurate. To wit, Ukraine will never get enough US help to "win". Probably Ukrainian higher ups have figured this out and are anticipating an eventual mutiny by the Ukrainian people. So no wonder they steal everything they can while they can and put the loot safely in Swiss banks. (Russian higher ups do the same, of course.).

https://original.antiwar.com/buchana...s-in-conflict/

Is Buchanan also a serial liar?

Though an old right isolationist that is often wrong, Buchanan is way above Blumenthal in the integrity department. Congratulations on the upgrade. It's a source worth reading, and not surprisingly he says nothing about any expected coming "mutiny" in Ukraine while the powers that be currently hoard away funds abroad for an escape. Perhaps you forgot to drop the Blumenthal link for that one (Wink) or it's just another installment of your anti-American, anti-Ukrainian wishful thinking. But I'll second Xpartan's reply to you in that article is three months old and Russia keeps stepping on their dicks and pissing off the West more. And Buchanan conveniently left out the part where Zelensky early on offered to make Ukraine a neutral zone if confirmed by popular vote. But Russia has shown no genuine interest in negotiations though as the pain keeps coming this is liable to change. Ukraine knowing their intentions are willing to fight for their existence as a people. If anything the botched run on Kyiv taught us its that Russia wants it all, the Ukrainian farmlands, industries, and ports. All the other "reasons" given for the invasion were horseshit. But there's apparently a good bit of discord within the Russian armed forces while they're releasing prisoners to fight. CNN got a live interview with this guy at an undisclosed location. Good work!

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/22/europ...ntl/index.html

And the old black and white thinking error keeps popping up here as this one very likely won't wind up all or nothing. The war likely will end at the negotiating table though you get plenty of all or nothing talk from both sides at the moment. Talks of total victory go further to motivate troops than what I just stated. So Ukraine is currently strengthening their position in negotiations while the West sends the message that tyrants don't get to change borders in Europe without severe consequences. Ukraine wants to fight, asked us for weapons and the answer is yes. The USA, NATO, that's who we are and what we do and we've shed plenty of blood for what we stand for. Freedom isn't free.

That said the time has come! I'm heading south to Colombia for my vacation and political discussions are never part of these events, even with other ISG members I meet there on the ground. You all hold down the fort until I return.

P.S. Gas prices are still dropping, at least here in the USA. Isn't that lovely?

[Paulie97]

This Viktor Yanukovych was his own worst enemy and dug his own grave living in opulent luxury in typical Russo kleptocrat fashion while shirking from an EU trade deal. The vast majority of the country was fed up with him already, but after a truce was broken and in the range of 100 protestors were shot down by government police, all bets were off. So the crook was impeached, then stole 37 billion and ran to Russia where he belongs. It's not complicated and is all rather predictable. A people begin to take an interest in democracy and this draws resistance from autocrats at home and abroad, no "CIA coup" is needed. And that's irrespective of the Noam Chomskys and social media hacks like Max Blumenthal who see the USA hiding under every Bush and as the cause of all the evil on the planet, and this while they prop up murderous dictators like Putin and Assad. It's highly biased, dishonest, self-serving, and pukeworthy among us who love freedom and democracy.

Nonetheless we tolerate it. Blumenthal is still a US citizen as far as I know as that's who we are. We tolerate stupid, false, and unpatriotic publications. Try that in Russia.

[Xpartan]

Latest from Pat Buchanan, American political commentator, columnist, politician, assistant and special consultant to USA Presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan:

https://original.antiwar.com/buchana...-mortal-enemy/

His previous analysis also very accurate. To wit, Ukraine will never get enough US help to "win". Probably Ukrainian higher ups have figured this out and are anticipating an eventual mutiny by the Ukrainian people. So no wonder they steal everything they can while they can and put the loot safely in Swiss banks. (Russian higher ups do the same, of course.).

https://original.antiwar.com/buchana...s-in-conflict/

Is Buchanan also a serial liar?

No. You, on the other hand. . .

His articles are thoughtful and realistic. Yes, the world is getting tired and somewhat oblivious to Russia's unspeakable vileness and brutality. But in a war with goalposts moving every day, I'm sure Russians will manage to piss the West hard enough to move more. Perhaps in the coming days. Just a few short weeks ago, America told Zelensky not to touch Crimea, and now it's a legit target as far as we're concerned.

Leave it to the Russians to shoot themselves in the foot, the knees, the balls and all their other appendages they can aim at. Soon we'll see Ukrainians getting even more HIMARs and finally ATACMS, bombers and fighter jets. Russia started this war, but it will be ended by it.

[Desin]

I think both militaries are bogged down now, it will be a battle of attrition. I doubt Ukraine has any reserve units left.

UK just started to train Ukrainian troops. If their compatriots can hold the lines for half a year and then another, maybe they will start to have some possibilities to get offensive. Russia has huge warchest, so unless the sanctions slash deep, it's hard to think why they would give up and admit defeat.

Calling it trustworthy doesn't make it trustworthy. Assertions prove nothing, and especially when Russo propagandist, serial liar Max Blumenthal is under consideration.

Yup, I tried to be sarcastic. I did follow the Russian propaganda from Tass for several weeks in the start of the war and noticed the pattern they used. But this article and the tv-show about international aid not reaching it's intented destination indeed plays very well for Russia.

When the first billions were announced, I thought that a lot of people are going to get rich. Of course in EU it's all too common to use the EU funding for all kinds of projects, in the mentality that everything they get from it is a gain for the local city / town / village. But since corruption is in my understanding one of the essential criterias why Ukraine will not be able to join EU, this will of course make it even less propable. Plus the fact that there will be a shitload of guns, economical and mental problems in the country after the war. Imagine walking the K-street thinking that anybody could have a gun and have issues about "rich" foreigners coming to enjoy their young women after they themselves have lost their assets, limbs and / or mental health in the war.

I'll wait until some of you guys scout out the place first and say it's safe, without hostility to foreigners.

[Kozerog]

Latest from Pat Buchanan, American political commentator, columnist, politician, assistant and special consultant to USA Presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan:

https://original.antiwar.com/buchana...-mortal-enemy/

His previous analysis also very accurate. To wit, Ukraine will never get enough US help to "win". Probably Ukrainian higher ups have figured this out and are anticipating an eventual mutiny by the Ukrainian people. So no wonder they steal everything they can while they can and put the loot safely in Swiss banks. (Russian higher ups do the same, of course.).

https://original.antiwar.com/buchana...s-in-conflict/

Is Buchanan also a serial liar?

[PedroMorales]

With the CIA's car bomb murder of Dariya Dugina, their use of chemical weapons and their shelling of the nuclear plant, hopefully now Russia will take the gloves out and there will be a massive ramp up up to and not excluding nuclear first strikes. Wiping London, New York, London and Chicago off the earth would help bring the survivors to the surrender table.

[Paulie97]

"Zelensky's move is not just a signal of desperation as his military is ground down by Russian forces in the east. It extends the virtual impunity that Ukrainian battalions infested with hardened criminals and neo-Nazis have enjoyed for over eight years as official enforcers of the post-Maidan regime's rule. ".

Not a hint of propaganda there.

"Back in February 2014, when the US-backed Euromaidan coup drove out Ukraine's democratically elected president, the new regime in Kiev faced a crisis. ".

Totally trustable.

From https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/z...ture-military/.

Calling it trustworthy doesn't make it trustworthy. Assertions prove nothing, and especially when Russo propagandist, serial liar Max Blumenthal is under consideration. For one thing there hasn't been enough "Neo-Nazis" to win a single seat in the Ukrainian parliament. They are about 2% of the voting population while the country serves under a democratically elected (75% of the vote) Jewish, descendant of Holocaust survivors president. Graystone is a joke, as is Russian propaganda generally, as is the Russian military that already has 40 to 60 K dead in a botched attempt to steal a much smaller country and install a puppet leader. 6 months in and they keep dying in droves while gaining little ground. This while the world sanctions them to death.

https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/chie...-and-sanctions

[DramaFree11]

"Zelensky's move is not just a signal of desperation as his military is ground down by Russian forces in the east. It extends the virtual impunity that Ukrainian battalions infested with hardened criminals and neo-Nazis have enjoyed for over eight years as official enforcers of the post-Maidan regime's rule. ".

Not a hint of propaganda there.

"Back in February 2014, when the US-backed Euromaidan coup drove out Ukraine's democratically elected president, the new regime in Kiev faced a crisis. ".

Totally trustable.

From https://thegrayzone.acom/2022/07/30/...ture-military/.

I think both militaries are bogged down now, it will be a battle of attrition. I doubt Ukraine has any reserve units left.

I just wish one side would win or better yet find a compromise. Nobody in America cares anymore. The only people that benefitting from this war are the Arms Dealer's, Politician's and some contractors. Definitely worst case scenario.

[Desin]

"Zelensky's move is not just a signal of desperation as his military is ground down by Russian forces in the east. It extends the virtual impunity that Ukrainian battalions infested with hardened criminals and neo-Nazis have enjoyed for over eight years as official enforcers of the post-Maidan regime's rule. ".

Not a hint of propaganda there.

"Back in February 2014, when the US-backed Euromaidan coup drove out Ukraine's democratically elected president, the new regime in Kiev faced a crisis. ".

Totally trustable.

From https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/z...ture-military/.