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03-05-22 07:41 #200
Posts: 1956Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
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03-05-22 07:38 #199
Posts: 1956Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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03-05-22 06:09 #198
Posts: 294Originally Posted by MojoBandit [View Original Post]
Russia will destroy Ukrainian forces in population centers and it will become a guerilla war (unless Ukraine signs Russia's peace terms). This guerilla war will only be kept alive by NATO countries supplying the guerrillas with weapons. This would leave Russia with no choice but to attack a NATO country directly.
I really think Putin may be senile and completely irrational.
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03-05-22 05:39 #197
Posts: 1257Originally Posted by HulaHoops [View Original Post]
I was ultralight infantry and we studied guerrilla warfare. Yes I should not be armchair quarterbacking because I am not ont he ground, but I heard that the Ukraine military called for their forces to go guerrilla warfare. I was light infantry for 6 years. We studied and practiced how to operate and move in small groups to be undetected and then link up and do larger operations. Although that depends on woods for cover too. They need to send them some on-off road scooters, or dual sport motorcycles (muffle the shit out of them) and have a guy on the back with a rocket launcher. And do fast attack and stick and run techiniques. Smaller quicker agile groups can do damage with those Javelins (shoulder operated missile) we are sending them and some RPGs. They could do link up operations where 30 or 40 of them meet up near the Russian formation on On-off road dual sport motorcycles and hit them hard and then escape cross country throught the trees. If I was 20 years younger I would conisder going there myself.
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03-05-22 02:30 #196
Posts: 1056Stay Ther FKK Out of Europe
America is to blame for this shtt show. The Democrats, the party of Orgy Island and small dick syndrome. Hunter Biden etc. Rusisans are pounding (with lead) the Nazis who are rotting on the streets for dogs to feed on. XPartan and others should take their tin foils off, put a tin hat on and join up.
As Scarlet O'Hara might have said: War over, the price of pussy is going to go sky high this year.
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03-05-22 01:20 #195
Posts: 516Plenty of blame to go around
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
I recently found this video (about 10 minutes) in which Niall Ferguson (noted author and historian) gives his assessment. He specifically points the finger at mistakes made by Obama, Trump, Biden, and Merkel. I'm sure that list could be expanded but the point is that many bear a degree of responsibility. What percentage you choose to assign to any individual politician is really a subjective decision. But it was essentially a synergy of failures and they're all accountable for not doing enough to thwart Putin.
Even so, I keep coming back to my point that Putin was never going to be deterred because this is a crusade for him. It's always been a question of when, not if. And, if you took Merkel out of the equation and inserted a hardliner, or took Trump away and inserted Clinton, we'd still be arriving at the same place. The ONLY thing that would have stopped Putin is if he'd been deposed or killed, nothing else. Unfortunately, since Russia is a nuclear power, eliminating Putin (from the outside) has never been in the cards.
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03-05-22 00:51 #194
Posts: 87I just saw that Bolton said. If Trump would have won his re election. He would have pulled the USA out of NATO.
And that is what Putin wanted. So, he could put the USSR back together. WOW.
Originally Posted by Rocko20 [View Original Post]
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03-05-22 00:50 #193
Posts: 516My post about political debate being pointless
Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
But such activities have little point or worth for people who are dodging bullets and bombs. For them it's about survival. And it's those unfortunates who are uppermost in my concerns.
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03-04-22 23:07 #192
Posts: 6420Crystal Ball
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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03-04-22 23:02 #191
Posts: 6420I didn't start it!
Originally Posted by Bill1963 [View Original Post]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYr2XteXUB8
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03-04-22 21:56 #190
Posts: 340Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
There's nothing one man can do, to avoid any of this stuff. American politicians only give a damn about one thing: re-election.
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03-04-22 21:32 #189
Posts: 1956Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]
1. Let's not forget who was screaming at the top of their lungs against pulling America into yet another war (we were already involved in two others).
Republicans, in particular, have turned against Syrian airstrikes. A week ago, Republicans were divided about evenly: 35% favored and 40% opposed military airstrikes in response to the governments alleged use of chemical weapons. Today, Republicans oppose airstrikes by an overwhelming 70% to 21% margin, with 51% saying they are strongly opposed.
2. Let's also remember that President went ahead and asked the authorization from Congress.
So when the president stepped into the sunny Rose Garden that Saturday morning, he announced that he had made two decisions: first, that the U.S. should act against Syria, and second, that he would seek explicit authorization from Congress to do so. With that, the administration set out on a different campaign than the military one we had been preparing for: to convince the American people that intervening in Syria was in the countrys interest.
What transpired over the next month was one of the most controversial and revealing episodes in eight years of Obamas foreign policy. Despite the administrations strong advocacy and support from a small minority of hawkish politicians, Congress and the American people proved strongly opposed to the use of force.
In the end, however, the threat of military action and a surprise offer by Russia ended up achieving something no one had imagined possible: the peaceful removal of 1,300 tons of Syrias chemical weapons (there have been reports of stray weapons and widespread use of industrial chemicals like chlorine, but no evidence of systematic deception on the part of the Syrian government).
By October 2013, without a bomb being dropped, the Bashar Assad regime had admitted having a massive chemical weapons program it had never before acknowledged, agreed to give it up and submitted to a multinational coalition that removed and destroyed the deadly trove. From my perspective at the Pentagon, this seemed like an incontrovertible, if inelegant, example of what academics call coercive diplomacy, using the threat of force to achieve an outcome military power itself could not even accomplish.
The point is that removing chemical weapons from Syria was a huge victory for the US and the world. It's amazing that so many people think of it as a defeat after everything that was acomplished.
According to U.S. estimates, at more than 1,300 metric tons spread out over as many as 45 sites in a country about twice the size of Virginia, Syrias arsenal of chemical weapons in 2013 was the worlds third-largest. It was 10 times greater than the CIAs (erroneous) 2002 estimate of Iraqs chemical weapons stash, and 50 times larger than the arsenal Libya declared it had in late 2011. Because of the size and scope of the threat, Syrias chemical weapons were the administrations top concern during the first several years of the crisis.
The same can't be said about Obama's reaction to Russia's aggression in 2014, which was muted and weak, but blaming him for Syria is not fair at all.
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03-04-22 21:05 #188
Posts: 1956You're MOSTLY right
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
But Trump's incessant, baffling and, quite frankly, nauseating bootlicking has certainly emboldened him to a huge degree.
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03-04-22 15:50 #187
Posts: 104Love it
Originally Posted by Vagabundo1 [View Original Post]
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03-04-22 15:36 #186
Posts: 242Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
I'm completely in agreement with John Mearsheimer (https://www.mearsheimer.com/) that Ukraine was terribly mishandled by the USA, starting in 2008 (G W Bush / Dick Cheney administration). What should have been done is declare that NATO and EU would eventually be replaced by a United States of Europe, which would never include Ukraine, and that Finland, Baltic States and Moldova would be kept demilitarized provided Russia kept Kaliningrad enclave, western Belarus and western Ukraine demilitarized. Nice clean division between west and east Europe, with a demilitarized buffer zone in between. Good fences make good neighbors.
I have no doubt the Ukrainians are brave, determined, filled with angry energy, and thus will fight like lions. Problem is, lions are stupid animals, and what is needed now is not physical courage but rstger brains and moral courage, meaning the courage to make unpopular decisions.
The argument that "we" don't appease dictators is keyboard warrior talk. USA most definitely "appeased" Stalin when it allowed him to swallow up the Baltic States and eastern Europe. USA "appeased" China / Russia by allowing a division of Korea and then a division of Vietnam, before we threw in the towel completely on Vietnam. USA "appeased" China regarding Tibet. USA "appeased" Russia when Russia invaded Georgia and USA did nothing but issue some ineffective sanctions, then same story with Crimea. Etc. USA picks its battles and it walks away when the situation is hopeless, which is normal behavior in the real world, though maybe not in keyboard warrior land.
If Ukrainians really are fully prepared to die, see their family and friends die, and see their country bombed into rubble, before they concede anything to Russia, well okay, it's their lives and their country. Problem I see is that Ukrainians don't actually think this, but have become confused by big words like "appeasement" and "sovereign" (as in "sovereign right to decide their own future") so that they can't think straight. In particular, they haven't really thought about which hill they are truly prepared to die on.
I understand that Ukrainians don't like living under Russia's boot. But the Russian people have it worse, because they are directly under Putin's control, rather than at one remove from Putin. And the ancestors of both modern Ukrainians and modern Russians lived under Stalin's boot and the Tsar's boot before that. The Chinese people live under a more fiendishly repressive regime than than of Stalin, while North Korea makes China look like paradise. Most of Africa is worse than Russia. Etc, etc.
Right now, Ukrainians are taking an enormous risk, hoping they can frustrate Russia long enough to cause a coup and whoever replaces Putin will cancel the invasion. If this plan works, great. Otherwise, Ukraine could end up economically destroyed and presided over by some thug puppet ruler who makes Putin look like a nice guy. This is what happened to Chechnya. Downside risk is very high, odds very poor. Best course of action is thus to simply give Putin everything he wants, so that the bleeding is stopped and Ukraine can begin the difficult work of repairing all the damage. If the keyboard warriors don't like this, let them personally infiltrate Russia and attempt to assassinate Putin, but stop playing games with other people's lives.