Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Golfinho]

We can all agree the captured British and Moroccan mercenaries are getting off lightly. A firing squad is too good for their types. But then we have full flown racists, Hasbara trolls and Russophobes here, all happy to see the corrupt Zelensky regime figt to the last Ukrainian Nazis, thousands of whom are now POWs (unlike the mercenaries).

All political parties, bar the Nazis, are now banned in Ukraine and their assets confiscated.

Playing Russian roulette with Russia. Tomorrow Bosnia. Tsar Nicholas got to Paris. Drive the Americans and their Nazis and ISIS puppets out of Europe.

Meanwhile, America's greatest ally -- zionist Isreal -- refuses to go along with the sanctions against Russia. With friends like that, who needs enemies.

[DramaFree11]

You really should drop the pretense that you give even one iota of shit about Ukraine. It's patently clear that you don't, so what's the point of compounding stupidity with dishonesty?

Every single one of your posts simply oozes ill will against Ukraine. And, when the transparently BS window dressing is stripped away, the hateful bile is there for all to see.

At least our other resident haters, Pedro M and Golfinho, are honest shambolic losers. You're just a shambolic loser who lacks even a shred of honesty.

Yes, I hate there government and the corruption. Most of all I hate a useless war, that is causing damage world wide. Find a solution.

[Jmsuttr]

We can all agree the captured British and Moroccan mercenaries are getting off lightly. A firing squad is too good for their types. But then we have full flown racists, Hasbara trolls and Russophobes here, all happy to see the corrupt Zelensky regime figt to the last Ukrainian Nazis, thousands of whom are now POWs (unlike the mercenaries).

All political parties, bar the Nazis, are now banned in Ukraine and their assets confiscated.

Playing Russian roulette with Russia. Tomorrow Bosnia. Tsar Nicholas got to Paris. Drive the Americans and their Nazis and ISIS puppets out of Europe.

Please tell us in which country you reside your sorry ass. Because, when Tsar (ina) Putin decides to "retake" it, or "liberate" it, many of the forum members will be excited to cheer your good fortune.

Putin is a murderous, fascist, thug. And he'd smash you like a bug without giving it a second thought. His "best case" scenario is that cancer kills him before he can be put on trial for his heinous war crimes.

[Jojosun]

A well balanced Article which doesn't read like an Early End to the war.

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/u...-b1004824.html

Main points of concern. "Correspondents being briefed by Whitehall officials last week were surprised to be warned that the UK and United States now expect the fighting in Ukraine to go on to the end of the year".

"Ukrainian forces realise that they are in for a long fight — and British strategic analysts now think the war itself and security crisis is set to run for at least three years more".

Conclusion. 'The war has become like firelighter fuel on the flaring cost-of-living emergency — affecting the food and energy security of this country. Supporting Ukraine against Russian aggression is now part of the UK's own survival and prosperity. As many in Washington and Whitehall now recognise, this is no longer a discretionary matter".

[PedroMorales]

We can all agree the captured British and Moroccan mercenaries are getting off lightly. A firing squad is too good for their types. But then we have full flown racists, Hasbara trolls and Russophobes here, all happy to see the corrupt Zelensky regime figt to the last Ukrainian Nazis, thousands of whom are now POWs (unlike the mercenaries).

All political parties, bar the Nazis, are now banned in Ukraine and their assets confiscated.

Playing Russian roulette with Russia. Tomorrow Bosnia. Tsar Nicholas got to Paris. Drive the Americans and their Nazis and ISIS puppets out of Europe.

[Jmsuttr]

Great idea, let's pull the weapons, consultants, CIA, and the money. Let's see how well the great Ukraine army does, they sure as hell were not calling the shots at the beginning, maybe a little now. They have done amazing up to this point, but now is time for compromise. Yes, Ukraine is partially to blame for this mess they are in and if the get greedy they will end up flattened and broke. That is not a win, even in the liberal world.

If gas prices keep going up and Bidden refuses to drill then Putin can go on for ever. Hell you guys are making him richer and Russia. They can work around the sanctions. We dodge a bullet with Covid, the economies were battered, and started to rebound, but I doubt we will be so lucky this time, I hope I am wrong.

You really should drop the pretense that you give even one iota of shit about Ukraine. It's patently clear that you don't, so what's the point of compounding stupidity with dishonesty?

Every single one of your posts simply oozes ill will against Ukraine. And, when the transparently BS window dressing is stripped away, the hateful bile is there for all to see.

At least our other resident haters, Pedro M and Golfinho, are honest shambolic losers. You're just a shambolic loser who lacks even a shred of honesty.

[YummyPL]

Right now, the policies I'm most interested in are those that directly assist Ukraine in resisting Russian aggression. I have no time or patience for those who whine about high fuel prices while civilians are being killed by Russian orcs. Pretty much everything else, IMO, is tangential noise.

I very much agree. This isn't a fight for Ukraine. No, not at all. This is a fight for Western civilization. As VinDici wrote, "anything other than a total loss for Russia will result in them quietly rebuilding and then trying this again as soon as they are able. " Unless he is stopped, his shit will not end. And things don't improve with Age.

After almost 2 years working with Ukrainians on reform efforts, I know they are trying to improve as a rule-of-law Western democracy. They are not where they need to be, but they are making progress. It is far better than what Russia has done.

Any help we (anybody) gives Ukraine is contributing to a safe, prosperous, peaceful, and positive rule of law future. Americans complaining about paying $5 a gallon for gasoline need to read about the real sacrifices people made in past wars. Beating the enemy at the gates--an enemy bent on destroying Western civilization--takes sacrifices. I don't think it would be possible to do too much to help the Ukrainians.

[DramaFree11]

You are talking to someone (Drama Free) who claimed he had been to Ukraine and saw their tiny army, then was gloating about how Russia would squash them in a week. That didn't pan out for him so he comes back every few days claiming Ukraine is just as evil and to blame as Russia if not more so. Any evidence presented to the contrary is ignored while the same fallacious arguments are repeated ad nauseum. He does the Chicken Little claiming world economies will tank if we don't stop sending Ukraine weapons, but he said the same about Covid which is now becoming endemic and the world is still standing. Well the West will continue to provide weapons, as Ukraine wants to fight and for the reasons you stated. Plus there's overwhelming bi-partisan support for Ukraine in the US with only 11 Republican senators voting against the latest aid package. Ukraine will fight, and with our weapons. But in any case, ignore Drama Free as he's a broken record that lacks the will or capacity to comprehend and acknowledge the truths others are telling him.

Great idea, let's pull the weapons, consultants, CIA, and the money. Let's see how well the great Ukraine army does, they sure as hell were not calling the shots at the beginning, maybe a little now. They have done amazing up to this point, but now is time for compromise. Yes, Ukraine is partially to blame for this mess they are in and if the get greedy they will end up flattened and broke. That is not a win, even in the liberal world.

If gas prices keep going up and Bidden refuses to drill then Putin can go on for ever. Hell you guys are making him richer and Russia. They can work around the sanctions. We dodge a bullet with Covid, the economies were battered, and started to rebound, but I doubt we will be so lucky this time, I hope I am wrong.

[Jmsuttr]

https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...at-s-conquests

Here are some excerpts:

1. With respect to St. Petersburg:

A) "you get the impression that by fighting Sweden he (Peter the Great) was grabbing something. He wasn't taking anything, he was taking it back".

B) "none of the countries in Europe recognised this territory as belonging to Russia".

C) "Everyone considered it to be part of Sweden. But from time immemorial, Slavs had lived there alongside Finno-Ugric peoples".

2. With respect to Russia's current mindset:

A) "It is our responsibility also to take back and strengthen.

B) "Yes, there have been times in our country's history when we have been forced to retreat, but only to regain our strength and move forward".

The author of the article implies that these comments are aimed at, and restricted to, the Ukrainian conflict. But I don't see any such limitation in Putin's actual language and wording. The same rhethoric and rationalization could easily be applied to Baltic and Nordic countries, as well as Poland and beyond. The plain fact of the matter is that anyone who thinks this war is ONLY about Ukraine is engaging in wishful thinking. The best antidote to Russian ambition is for them to be comprehensively defeated in this current war.

[WyattEarp]

We were far from "energy independent" under Trump though petroleum imports decreased by about 20% over his entire tenure. In 2020 we became a "net exporter" and we still are. None of that though makes us immune to global markets, while blaming Biden for current gas prices in the face of worldwide inflation is silly and politically motivated. Not to mention the fact that you'd consider taking Tucker Carlson seriously is cause for concern. Even his lawyer publicly laughs at people that believe him. LOL.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2VQ2ZV

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...e-at-the-pump/

P.S. For those that like roll down the road with a lot of machinery, giant pickups and SUVs, well the chickens have come home to roost. Unless you seriously need those kinds of vehicles for work or to transport large families, I have no sympathy when you pay $5 for a gallon of gas.

Americans have generally been A holes when it comes down to driving big ass vehicles and wanting cheap gas.

I agree with you. Even if the United States was producing more gas at the margin, we Americans would still be paying the global market rate. No Administration is going to tell the oil industry where to set prices. They can of course ***** and moan.

Having said, American and European green policies are a bit off track when it comes to geopolitical realities. I think some on the Left are reconsidering their opposition to nuclear energy.

[Jmsuttr]

We were far from "energy independent" under Trump though petroleum imports decreased by about 20% over his entire tenure. In 2020 we became a "net exporter" and we still are. None of that though makes us immune to global markets, while blaming Biden for current gas prices in the face of worldwide inflation is silly and politically motivated. Not to mention the fact that you'd consider taking Tucker Carlson seriously is cause for concern. Even his lawyer publicly laughs at people that believe him. LOL.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2VQ2ZV

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...e-at-the-pump/

P.S. For those that like roll down the road with a lot of machinery, giant pickups and SUVs, well the chickens have come home to roost. Unless you seriously need those kinds of vehicles for work or to transport large families, I have no sympathy when you pay $5 for a gallon of gas.

Because:

1. I'm not the poster who uses, or advocates using, Tucker Carlson as a source. In fact, I specifically noted that I don't watch him.

2. At no point did I stake out a personal position on US energy policy. What I did, however, is delineate the parameters of an argument that could be made. In other words, my point was to show that simplistic pseudo-conclusions are a flawed way to look at things. The reason why I used the phrases "there's certainly an argument to be made," and "a balanced argument would explore," is because much about that topic is open to debate. I don't have a settled opinion because I haven't thoroughly researched the matter. If you have, good for you.

Right now, the policies I'm most interested in are those that directly assist Ukraine in resisting Russian aggression. I have no time or patience for those who whine about high fuel prices while civilians are being killed by Russian orcs. Pretty much everything else, IMO, is tangential noise.

[Paulie97]

You keep conveniently forgetting that anything other than a total loss for Russia will result in them quietly rebuilding and then trying this again as soon as they are able. Ukraine is fighting for its very existence, once that is assured, they can work on things like better governance.

You are talking to someone (Drama Free) who claimed he had been to Ukraine and saw their tiny army, then was gloating about how Russia would squash them in a week. That didn't pan out for him so he comes back every few days claiming Ukraine is just as evil and to blame as Russia if not more so. Any evidence presented to the contrary is ignored while the same fallacious arguments are repeated ad nauseum. He does the Chicken Little claiming world economies will tank if we don't stop sending Ukraine weapons, but he said the same about Covid which is now becoming endemic and the world is still standing. Well the West will continue to provide weapons, as Ukraine wants to fight and for the reasons you stated. Plus there's overwhelming bi-partisan support for Ukraine in the US with only 11 Republican senators voting against the latest aid package. Ukraine will fight, and with our weapons. But in any case, ignore Drama Free as he's a broken record that lacks the will or capacity to comprehend and acknowledge the truths others are telling him.

[Paulie97]

I don't watch Tucker, so I can't say for sure, but I imagine that, in his criticism of Biden, at some point he must have mentioned the shift in energy policy, right? And, if that's the case, any discussion of sanctions-related (oil, gasoline, and gas) price increases that doesn't ALSO mention the effects of policy changes is flawed and intellectually dishonest. A balanced argument would explore the notion that, if US energy resources were being maximally exploited, it's quite possible we'd have enough to take care of our own needs and also a surplus to support our allies and world markets.

We were far from "energy independent" under Trump though petroleum imports decreased by about 20% over his entire tenure. In 2020 we became a "net exporter" and we still are. None of that though makes us immune to global markets, while blaming Biden for current gas prices in the face of worldwide inflation is silly and politically motivated. Not to mention the fact that you'd consider taking Tucker Carlson seriously is cause for concern. Even his lawyer publicly laughs at people that believe him. LOL.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2VQ2ZV

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...e-at-the-pump/

P.S. For those that like roll down the road with a lot of machinery, giant pickups and SUVs, well the chickens have come home to roost. Unless you seriously need those kinds of vehicles for work or to transport large families, I have no sympathy when you pay $5 for a gallon of gas.

[Jmsuttr]

They need to find a solution to end this, both sides need to compromise. Nobody is winning. Maybe this is what Putin wants, destroying worlds economies, mean while he keeps selling gas. Ukraine is in a no win situation, they need a solution, fast. This part of life, you do not always, get what you want. Take the best deal, live to fight another day. Make a Ukraine a great country, eliminate the corruption, that had been plaguing this county for years. You guys conveniently forgot this.

Yes, I do feel bad for the people, but I have no compassion for either government. Yes, Putin is to blame, but Ukraine government are no saints, far from it. Sorry this is the truth.

Russia's aggression in Ukraine has been labeled genocide by many countries. If you'd like specifics, here's a detailed list:

https://www.justsecurity.org/81564/c...aine-genocide/

What you conveniently forget, and others who suggest there's a "deal" that allows Ukraine to "fight another day," is Russia's extensive record of elimination a list statements against Ukraine.

https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/r...-a-collection/

So, if someone is trying to kill you, by what logic do you have a duty to stop defending yourself? Is it fine with you if those who could help refuse because you're not a saint? Or should we just shout "just work things out and stop" at you and your assailant (who is much more powerful and will annihilate you the moment you stop resisting)?

So, whether you agree or not, there's a clear consensus among many countries that Ukraine is fighting for its very survival against a genocidal aggressor. And, when someone is trying to kill you, every day you stay alive is a win.

FWIW, if there's any justice in the world, the aggressor will be the one who ends up being destroyed, removing them forever from being a future threat.

[VinDici]

You keep conveniently forgetting that anything other than a total loss for Russia will result in them quietly rebuilding and then trying this again as soon as they are able. Ukraine is fighting for its very existence, once that is assured, they can work on things like better governance.

They need to find a solution to end this, both sides need to compromise. Nobody is winning. Maybe this is what Putin wants, destroying worlds economies, mean while he keeps selling gas. Ukraine is in a no win situation, they need a solution, fast. This part of life, you do not always, get what you want. Take the best deal, live to fight another day. Make a Ukraine a great country, eliminate the corruption, that had been plaguing this county for years. You guys conveniently forgot this.

Yes, I do feel bad for the people, but I have no compassion for either government. Yes, Putin is to blame, but Ukraine government are no saints, far from it. Sorry this is the truth.