Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Paulie97]

I don't think Putin will live to see the Russians scrape enough resources to do serious harm. Even if Russia is pushed out of Eastern Ukraine, I think they will continue to fuck with their weaker neighbors. Possibly they will fuck with weak countries as a way to save some face from the Ukraine debacle.

I believe inherently there are Munich 1938 recollections. Hitler's Germany was relatively stronger and Europe weaker in the late 1930's.

A complete collapse of the Russian government could be a lot more volatile and dangerous than some Russian tanks. I believe that's what Kissinger fears. The optimal result is a subtle transition of power to less militaristic leadership. Yes, I know. That's optimistic.

Kissinger's "fears" aren't helpful. Western fear has been a lot of the problem when it comes to a slowed response and reluctance to send offensive weapons. Russia has no integrity, and any ceasefire just gives them time to regroup and for the West to drop their guard, then they can go in again to annex all of Ukraine, which they feel they are entitled to. Much of the fear is unwarranted. If Russia resorts to tactical nukes they at best completely isolate themselves. On a larger scale it's suicide. There's no evidence that anyone there is suicidal. If you have anything on Putin's health besides rumor please post it. Much of it goes back many years.

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-healt...kraine-1704211

P.S. As to Russia becoming more dangerous with a collapse of the government, that also doesn't make a lot of sense. At such a time they would likely be more concerned with domestic affairs, as they were after the fall of the USSR.

[PedroMorales]

Being grounded and pounded in the East, as their wives are pounded elsewhere. EU crying for talks, as is that idiot Zelensky.

Von der Leyen saying to buy Russian oil to stop Russia selling it elsewhere. Now you know why you cannot be taken seriously.

Greece made a big mistake helping the USA steal that tanker of oil. 25% of tankers off the Iranian coast, that can easily be made an Iranian lake, fly the Greek flag.

Go back to your hamburgers and school shootings.

[Jmsuttr]

Leaving the rank racism to one side, though Iran is the world's main Shia nation, many "Arabs", not least in Lebanon, are Shia. There are many Sunni in Iran though Bigot man here would not know that. Plus lots of Christians, Alawi, Druze, Yezidi and other minorities. I think we can all agree that the bigotry, racism and supremacism Mr Hasbara where displays is going to bit back in a big way.

Let's all salute Iran, who paid back American pirates in kind.

Let's all salute British mercenaries Shaun Pinner and Andrew Hill and Moroccan Ibrahim Saadoun, who face justice in liberated Ukraine. Russian military spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov said earlier that the best thing the foreign mercenaries could expect was a "long term in prison. " Two scumbags swinging at the end of ropes might send a clear message back to Blighty, no?

The post to which you replied had literally one sentence that tangentially mentioned Arab-Persian attitudes, and wasn't even the main point of the post. As usual, you try to make mountains out of molehills and end up looking stupid.

Had Arab-Persian relations been my main point, I would have posted relevant articles to support my assertions. I'm happy to do so now and, as always, people are invited to read, make up their own minds, and join the debate if they want. Of course, since this is a forum dedicated to issues pertaining to Kyiv and Ukraine, I don't know if anyone will want to follow you down that particular anti-American rabbit hole.

But, for anyone interested in the topic of Arab vs Persian animosity (which goes both ways), I would invite them to do a brief web search. It took me less than a minute to find several articles, one of which features an interview of an Iranian intellectual, explaining the hatred in both historical and cultural contexts.

https://english.alarabiya.net/articl...%2F09%2F170927

Also, since you mention minorities in Iran as though all is harmonious, here's an article detailing the Iranian regime's treatment of minority groups:

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1822151/middle-east

There are varying levels of evidence suitable for inclusion in an informed debate. Pure opinion, with zero substantiation, is so low that it's not even worthy of being classified as evidence. You continue to search for water in the Sahara of your own desiccated mind, looking for things to say, no matter how stupid. And you continue to twist and mischaracterize what others post. Not to worry, as I'll always be here to expose how empty of substance (albeit full to the brim with bile!) your pseudo-arguments are. Better luck next time!

P.S. Pointing out a true and verifiable fact, namely the existence of a current (and centuries old) hatred between Arabs and Persians, can only be portrayed as racist or bigoted by someone who either chooses to ignore the facts, or is unable to construct a substantive rebuttal. In other words, it's simply a variant of ad hominem employed by those who can't come up with anything better. A truly lame, despicable, and desperate tactic.

[Jojosun]

QUOTE=Jmsuttr.

And, in case you've forgotten, the Arabs hate the Persians.

QUOTE.

No Love Lost in Iran as Iran occupies their Land according to sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_s...m_in_Khuzestan.

"Since the 1920's, tensions have often resulted in violence and attempted separatism, including the insurgency in 1979, unrest in 2005, terrorist bombings in 2005–2006, protests in 2011, assassinations in 2017, and the 2018 Ahvaz military parade attack.

Iran officially denies any discrimination or the existence of conflict within the country. It has however drawn strong criticism from human rights organizations including accusations of ethnic discrimination and ethnic cleansing. '.

[Jojosun]

QUOTE=PedroMorales.

Let's all salute Iran.

Let's all.

QUOTE.

Saluting Iran when its Free from Mullahs Rule.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qfEJPjWFoEw

[WyattEarp]

From the interview.

"Today, Henry Kissinger said that Ukraine should find a compromise with Russia and cede some of its territory. What do you think of that? Is it time to negotiate a ceasefire?

'No way. You can't. You just can't make peace now. If you do, it will be seen as a Russian victory. Russia will spend a couple years scraping together some resources and then it will do this again. This won't teach them anything. Only a total and clear defeat that is obvious to everyone will teach them...........

I don't think Putin will live to see the Russians scrape enough resources to do serious harm. Even if Russia is pushed out of Eastern Ukraine, I think they will continue to fuck with their weaker neighbors. Possibly they will fuck with weak countries as a way to save some face from the Ukraine debacle.

I believe inherently there are Munich 1938 recollections. Hitler's Germany was relatively stronger and Europe weaker in the late 1930's.

A complete collapse of the Russian government could be a lot more volatile and dangerous than some Russian tanks. I believe that's what Kissinger fears. The optimal result is a subtle transition of power to less militaristic leadership. Yes, I know. That's optimistic.

[Jojosun]

Joe is at it again, LOL.

PRES. BIDEN.

A SECOND -- DID ANYBODY THINK ON OUR CALL FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA, IN ADDITION TO NATO? TO Australia? Japan. NORTH Korea, WHICH STAND UP AND SUPPORT THOSE SANCTIONS. THE WORLD IS MOVING SO RAPIDLY. I NEED NOT TELL YOU AVIATORS, WITHIN THE NEXT DECADE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CIRCUMVENT;.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c50169...ea-stood-putin

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...st-Russia.html

[PedroMorales]

for anti-American pipsqueaks. Iranian-North Korean kimchi rat casserole Ayatollah's butt-boys "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" the Arabs hate the Persians.
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Leaving the rank racism to one side, though Iran is the world's main Shia nation, many "Arabs", not least in Lebanon, are Shia. There are many Sunni in Iran though Bigot man here would not know that. Plus lots of Christians, Alawi, Druze, Yezidi and other minorities. I think we can all agree that the bigotry, racism and supremacism Mr Hasbara where displays is going to bit back in a big way.

Let's all salute Iran, who paid back American pirates in kind.

Let's all salute British mercenaries Shaun Pinner and Andrew Hill and Moroccan Ibrahim Saadoun, who face justice in liberated Ukraine. Russian military spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov said earlier that the best thing the foreign mercenaries could expect was a "long term in prison. " ¿Two scumbags swinging at the end of ropes might send a clear message back to Blighty, no?

[Jmsuttr]

Funny to see the American ghetto dwellers lose their shit. As well as two Greek tankers to Iran because of American piracy. I haven't read the resident troll here as I am still battling recent injuries (three plus weeks, killing me) and the chimp has nothing worthwhile to say anyway.

If you are American, best you check out the Grand Canyon, Disneyland (no oil LOL) or some other place you have totally cleansed of locals.

Zelensky sues for peace (yawn) and addresses Stanford students, which makes sense. Moronic Ivy league graduates being addressed by a gangster who plays the piano with his cock and a guitar in the nude.

Hugh Hefner without Viagra.

How much to fuck a Stanford Ivy Leaguer? Is CIM extra? More or less than a Ukrainian and are hamburgers extra?

Do you have any idea how transparently lame that is? Are you really so deluded that you think you're fooling anyone? I guess you're a perfect example of the truism that, just like a person who stinks becomes nose-blind to their own smell, so will an idiot be blind to their own idiocy.

Too bad for you that everyone else in the forum can clearly see (and smell) the truth.

BTW, you really should find some new sources of anti-American insults. Your current stock is apparently getting thin and you're repeating yourself often. Unless, of course, bitter and miserable rage is also making you forgetful.

But really, more variety would be appreciated as it makes it easier for Americans to have a hearty laugh as they proceed on their upward trajectory! It's amazing how, the same Europe that LilliPutin craved for himself is the Europe that he's pushed away and right into the arms of America!

[Jmsuttr]

The Iranian Navy (IRGC) have captured two Greek tankers in the Persian Gulf in retaliation for Greek and US pirates stealing an Iranian tanker. The 5th Paper Tiger navy is looking into it. Tick tock. Bye bye to your empire of evil.

You really should start a fan club for anti-American pipsqueaks. You could host meetings with pot-luck dinners featuring Iranian-North Korean fusion cuisine! How does kimchi goat & rat casserole sound? Garnished, of course, with strips of the finest Russian belt leather!

Seriously, for how many decades have the Ayatollah's butt-boys been screaming "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" at the top of their lungs? And yet both America and Israel are hanging in there just fine. In fact, with the recently enacted Abraham Accords, Israel now has diplomatic relations with Arab countries who were former enemies. And, in case you've forgotten, the Arabs hate the Persians.

Oh yes, and as far as navies are concerned, "Remember the Moskva" is a phrase that comes to mind.

[Jmsuttr]

https://mobile.twitter.com/generalsv...25712476225536

This Twitter account claims that the info they publish is obtained from active and retired intel personnel with sources within Russia. I have no way to verify that claim, but their threads do make for some interesting reading. Reality is the ultimate source of confirmation and verification, of course, so the true test will be whether or not any of the predictions actually play out.

With that caveat, this is posted in a "something to watch out for" sense. In this particular case, the key event is whether Putin's daughter, Katerina Tikhonova, will be elevated to the top leadership position of Putin's United Russia party. Patrushev, the plan's other component, is already on the Kremlin leadership team so not much more needs to happen with respect to him. It's Tikhonova's chess piece that still needs to be moved into position.

The entire (short) thread is worth reading. Here's an excerpt (2nd to last para):

"Those with access to #Putin's ears view Tikhonova as the only possible guarantor of the stability of the regime without being a direct successor. Being the head of the ruling party & effectively running the State Duma & the Senat, Tikhonova would counterbalance any president."

So the succession plan would involve co-leadership roles for Patrushev and Tikhonova. And, while I'm sure some will reply with all the reasons such an arrangement won't work (I can think of quite a few, myself), that's not the point. The important issue is whether or not the Kremlin elite, faced with few good post-Putin options, might see this as a solution that ensures near-term stability and continuity.

Also, there's always the possibility that Putin will be able to manage his health problems and hang on for longer than expected, which would render this succession plan moot, or at least put on hold. Only time will tell, but I'll be watching for any Tikhonova-related news.

[PedroMorales]

Funny to see the American ghetto dwellers lose their shit. As well as two Greek tankers to Iran because of American piracy. I haven't read the resident troll here as I am still battling recent injuries (three plus weeks, killing me) and the chimp has nothing worthwhile to say anyway.

If you are American, best you check out the Grand Canyon, Disneyland (no oil LOL) or some other place you have totally cleansed of locals.

Zelensky sues for peace (yawn) and addresses Stanford students, which makes sense. Moronic Ivy league graduates being addressed by a gangster who plays the piano with his cock and a guitar in the nude.

Hugh Hefner without Viagra.

How much to fuck a Stanford Ivy Leaguer? Is CIM extra? More or less than a Ukrainian and are hamburgers extra?

[Jmsuttr]

A bunch of scumbags who love killing Ukrainians, but protest that's it's less efficient than they'd like to see. In all seriousness, there is nothing eye-opening about this letter. It's completely in line with the views of Girkin-Strelkov, the original "paramilitary" commander in Donbass and former FSB operative. This letter has all the markings of the under-the-rug struggle between Siloviki.

To begin with, I agree with your characterization, in this and your other recent post, of Putin as a murderous evil dictator with dreams of (at least) pan-European domination. For those people who have understood that reality from the beginning, this letter reveals nothing new.

But for those, no matter how well-intentioned, who mistakenly project their own framework of rationality and diplomacy on the Kremlin, this letter (and similar disclosures) should begin the process of opening eyes and hammering home the truth that nothing less than a comprehensive Russian defeat will suffice. Using a European example, I would assert that the Baltics and Poland, at a minimum, have already arrived at the "comprehensive defeat" position. Other countries not so much, as reflected in recent calls for "a few" Ukrainian territorial concessions.

Pulling back the propaganda-curtain, and the facade of "reasonableness" is a process more than an event. And during that process there will be those who refuse to acknowledge the clear evidence even if it's rubbed in their faces. Others will be slow, but will see and understand, and yet others will be shouting "What took you so long?" in exasperated voices. I'm hoping that the constant drip-drip of these kinds of disclosures ends up turning into a flood such that those who aren't (or are trying not to be) engaged will be unable to ignore it.

[Xpartan]

It's either sheer idiocy or treachery to even presume that Russians would be satisfied with the lands they've already conquered. Whatever peace deal the French and Italians are trying to push on Ukraine won't be worth the ink or the paper.

The second assumption made by those advocating off-ramps is that Russia, even if it were to begin negotiating, would stick to the agreements it signed. Even an ordinary cease-fire has to involve concessions on both sides, and anything more substantive would require a longer list of pledges and promises. But brazen dishonesty is now a normal part of Russian foreign policy as well as domestic propaganda.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...russia/629940/

Ukrainians have to keep fighting not because it's their choice, but because they have no choice. Some western countries must stop smoking whatever they're smoking and give them every weapon in the world they need. Because the West doesn't have a choice either. Carthage must be, well, neutralized.

"The borders of Russia do not end anywhere" - Putin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou8mI_ce80s

[Xpartan]

Fascinating letter which recognizes (and criticizes) the failure of the "special operation" and calls for full mobilization and total war.

https://m-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/4243623.html

Here's the opening section:

"We, veterans of the Armed Forces and special services of Russia, united in the All-Russian Officers' Assembly, together with the majority of our people, enthusiastically supported the decision of the President of the Russian Federation and Supreme Commander-in-Chief V. V. Putin on the conduct of a special military operation for the armed protection of the inhabitants of the DPR and LPR, the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. At the same time, carefully analyzing the course of almost three months of hostilities, we came to the conclusion that the special military operation that began on February 24, unfortunately, ended in failure: after a month of hostilities, Russian troops retreated from the captured bridgeheads near Kyiv, left the liberated territories in Sumy and Chernihiv regions in the north and Mykolaiv region in the south of the so-called Ukraine. All this happened under the pretext of displaying the "good will" of the President of the Russian Federation. But the question naturally arose in our minds: whose evil will was carried out by citizen V. Putin, giving the troops a humiliating order to retreat".

And there's much more. This letter is an eye-opening look at the delusion, paranoia, and warped world-view that underpin Russian support for this war, and should be required reading for anyone who believes there's a rational basis for negotiations, or common ground of any kind. In fact, these war-hawk extremists are those who, if Putin ends up getting deposed or sidelined, will most likely be responsible. And then one of their leaders will be calling the shots, both figuratively and literally.

Note: The letter is in Russian so you'll need to use your preferred translation method. Opening the link with the Chrome browser is one easy way, as the translation prompt should open automatically.

enthusiastically supported the decision of the President of the Russian Federation and Supreme Commander-in-Chief V. V. Putin on the conduct of a special military operation for the armed protection of the inhabitants of the DPR and LPR, the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine.

A bunch of scumbags who love killing Ukrainians, but protest that's it's less efficient than they'd like to see. In all seriousness, there is nothing eye-opening about this letter. It's completely in line with the views of Girkin-Strelkov, the original "paramilitary" commander in Donbass and former FSB operative. This letter has all the markings of the under-the-rug struggle between Siloviki.