Thread: Stupid Shit in Kyiv
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03-18-22 00:51 #323
Posts: 516Discussion re why Putin may have overestimated pro-Russia sentiment in Ukraine
https://mobile.twitter.com/kamilkaza...03672019513345
A bit long, but worth a read, IMO. The author makes the point that Russia's mismanagement of areas it's controlled, such as Crimea and Donbass, has had a negative effect on pro-Russia attitudes.
Those who have lived in Ukraine can validate, or refute, from their personal knowledge. It's beyond my experience, but it does make for an interesting hypothesis as to why cities like Kharkiv are strongly resisting, rather than welcoming Russia.
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03-18-22 00:09 #322
Posts: 516My post was meant as a possible explanation, not a definitive conclusion
Originally Posted by Hestendk [View Original Post]
I'm very glad to hear about your positive experiences and I fervently hope and pray for your continued safety. You didn't mention your country of origin but, from your writing style (please correct me if I'm wrong) I'm guessing it's not the US or UK, which is one of the variable factors I discussed in my post. You also mentioned two other things: family and the fact that you're helping out by transporting supplies. I'm guessing that people with significant ties to Ukraine, like family connections, speaking the language, residing in the country, helping in the war effort (and similar), are going to be viewed differently. Again, I'm happy to hear about your positive experience. Long may it continue!
BTW, I completely agree with your assessment of Putin's non-progress. This is a war of attrition and the longer Ukraine holds out (with NATO's help) the more the pressure on Putin mounts. I have no crystal ball for the future, but what's clear thus far is that Russia's initial plan has failed and Russia has become a pariah state.
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03-17-22 23:48 #321
Posts: 1159So I went back to reread HulaHoop's supposed posts from Kyiv. Here are some things I noticed.
He first started posting (other than the single post a year ago) on 2/25. On that very first day he started to allege that Ukrainians hate foreigners.
He uses the Russian version "Kiev" rather than the Ukrainian version "Kyiv". (But that may just be an age thing I suppose.).
He emphasizes that he and his friends are all white more than once.
He reports Russian tanks on the streets of Kiev. Has that happened yet, let alone on 2/25?
In virtually every post he says the locals hate foreigners because their home countries have not come to the aid of Ukraine.
On 3/3 he says "I've never been in a place that's racist to white people before. ".
On 3/4 he shifts from warning other mongers to warning would be volunteers, with a dose of defeatism: "To any foreign volunteer: do not believe the Ukrainian propaganda! The military situation in Ukraine is dire, the media will have you think that Ukraine is winning. That is not the case whatsoever! Please be careful. ".
Is this beyond a reasonable doubt evidence? No. But I’ve noted that today HulaHoop has remained logged in for hours at a time. That, and all of the above, sounds more like a troll than a guy in his 60’s thinking that now was the time to go fishing in Ukraine. With a bunch of friends who agreed no less.
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03-17-22 22:19 #320
Posts: 1159Originally Posted by Sorbonne [View Original Post]
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03-17-22 22:04 #319
Posts: 558Originally Posted by YummyPL [View Original Post]
HulaHoops has also been saying the Ukrainians now hate foreigners. That is a grave concern, if we ever return.
Even during the pandemic I started feeling that people have not been as friendly as they were before the pandemic in this provincial city I was living in, which has been bombarded by now.
I did hear from the former freebee girl. She's still in Kyiv and is saying that now is not time to get divorced as she doesn't have money. So she has to stay in Ukraine, as her husband is not allowed to leave the country.
It may be even safe to say party is over for us in Ukraine. On the other hand, the condition may be set for us in Russia if it goes back to the Soviet time. Who knows?
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03-17-22 21:55 #318
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Hestendk [View Original Post]
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03-17-22 21:53 #317
Posts: 1159HulaHoops is a fraud. The account was created with a single "what's up?" post a year ago and then nothing until a string of posts about being in Ukraine. Whether this was a sleeper account created by Russian paid trolls is a matter for speculation. It might just be an individual troll in need of attention.
But his attempt to vilify the people of Ukraine, people who are supposedly keeping him alive even as the Russians are trying to kill him, is highly suspect at best.
Let's not give this guy what he wants.
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03-17-22 21:53 #316
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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03-17-22 21:46 #315
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by RacShack [View Original Post]
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03-17-22 21:46 #314
Posts: 85Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
I'm still in Ukraine running supplies from west to central Ukrain.
Stayed in Central ukraine 150 Km west of Dnipro until 7 days ago, had to move more west due to the family.
But I'm still running supplies back and forth, and I not seen any negativity against me, more on the checkpost they like WTF why you still here.
Most people I speak with also understand why Nato just not can't close the sky, but the weapons that's coming in are helping.
Those who say this is a loosing battle have no clue about what's going on here on the ground, I don't say Ukraine will win yet, but they dint loose any SET yet if we can use tennis terms.
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03-17-22 21:44 #313
Posts: 6422Fertilizer
Originally Posted by PokerLover11 [View Original Post]
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03-17-22 20:00 #312
Posts: 675Originally Posted by Neurosynth [View Original Post]
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03-17-22 19:47 #311
Posts: 1159Originally Posted by Sorbonne [View Original Post]
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03-17-22 19:20 #310
Posts: 558Originally Posted by YummyPL [View Original Post]
Even during the pandemic I started feeling that people have not been as friendly as they were before the pandemic in this provincial city I was living in, which has been bombarded by now.
I did hear from the former freebee girl. She's still in Kyiv and is saying that now is not time to get divorced as she doesn't have money. So she has to stay in Ukraine, as her husband is not allowed to leave the country.
It may be even safe to say party is over for us in Ukraine. On the other hand, the condition may be set for us in Russia if it goes back to the Soviet time. Who knows?
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03-17-22 18:54 #309
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Tomasb [View Original Post]
There are also some anti-American, anti-West Marxists scattered about social media. They're taking up this Ukraine war to bash the USA And its Western allies again. They don't seem to realize Russia and China are now as far from Marxist as you can get.
Of course, politics makes strange bedfellows.