Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Jmsuttr]

The GDR ceased to exist after 'reunification' while the Bundesrepublik continued. This was no end to the Cold War; it was the post-war Allied Occupied Zone expanding. The root problem is America has refused to release its subjugated German vassal, and won't do so until they're rooted out.

Seems to me that recent history is replete with examples of the German "vassal" having its own mind, and taking positions that didn't please the US.

As far as rooting them out, would you prefer the Germans did that themselves or would you like to have some non-German power handle that job? And which country would you prefer, Russia, or China, or someone else?

What's really funny is that Putin's actions have strengthened the (US-led) NATO alliance in ways that wouldn't have happened otherwise. Which means, as I've mentioned in another post, that the presence of the US in Europe is likely to increase. I wonder how many more "vassal" states will be created as a result? Any guesses?

[WyattEarp]

The single most important thing we can do is precisely to analyze, etc. Ukraine got into this mess because it didn't think. To get out of the mess, it has to start thinking or get help thinking, especially from those of us comfortably sitting outside Ukraine and thus able to keep our minds from getting carried away by emotions.

So far, my attempts to talk sense to Ukrainians have resulted mostly in furious accusations that I'm a Russian troll, followed by banning me from forums. If everyone talking sense is accused of being a troll (and that's what I'm seeing), then Ukraine is truly in bad shape and will likely be dealt with like a stupid, strong and rebellious bull: beaten senseless, a ring put through the nose, maybe castrated to permanently calm it down........

Your Russian bias comes through clearly in your posts. Perhaps you have Russian ethnicity or perhaps you are just a Russophile. I think you said you were studying Russian. From your posts, I don't think you are learning Russian to apply for a job with the CIA or a European intelligence agency.

Surely, the Ukrainians will lose the battle for her country. But Putin will likely lose the war. This invasion is taking on global strategic implications. Putin did more for Ukrainian sovereign identity in two weeks than the last eight years since Putin's puppet was thrown out of the country. Putin has also united the Europeans. Even Switzerland is lending a small hand.

These new sanctions will seriously harm ordinary Russians. (You seem so genuinely concerned about ordinary Ukrainians. How about ordinary Russians?) The cost to occupy, control and / or rebuild the Ukraine will hurt a weakened economy. The Russian military expenditures likely won't be cutback in the short-run though. The likely outcomes in reaction will be more European defense spending and more global exploration / distribution of gas and oil. Neither of which is good for Russia in the long-run.

You have alluded to Putin rattling the nuclear saber to have the world take him and his demands seriously. Can this move be any stupider? You can't play this card and expect to win anything. Sure, it keeps Polish MiGs out of Ukrainian hands. It might even keep a light touch by the West, as Russia pounds the Ukrainians into submission. However, you don't think Europe and the USA Are adjusting their strategic defense policies? Even the Chinese might be thinking WTF is this guy doing.

Win the battle, but lose the war.

[WyattEarp]

Sorry, but I strongly disagree. Europe is not capable of defending itself (nothing new there), and Putin's mad-tsar disease is threatening the world right now. While Xi might become way more dangerous in the future, is it wise to ignore a present danger fighting a possible threat down the road instead?

Of course you're right. Europe cannot currently defend itself.

However, global strategic pivots don't occur overnight. If Germany was meeting its 2% NATO commitment to "pure" defense expenditures, it would likely be able to go toe-to-toe with Russia just on their own.

Having said that, Merkel's Russia policies are now being reevaluated. History has a a way of bringing clarity to the politics of the past.

[Jmsuttr]

The USA is a serial invader of other countries. Right now, it is occupying and looting Syria of its oil. It destroyed Libya, got its side kicks to destroy Libya, is complicit in the Saudi genocide of Yemen, destroyed the Nordstream 2 gas project. Here is how American "tourists" should be treated, scum like McCain especially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYWy...LearningCenter

Only the USA threatens the world? Really? Is the irony of posting this statement in the Kiev forum lost on you?

Why don't you find the nearest Ukrainian and make that statement directly to their face? Then come back and let us know how that went.

And while you're at it, go ahead and repeat that exercise with someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.

[PedroMorales]

Sorry, but I strongly disagree..

You are American and so are a moron. Stick to the American politics thread, what a genius Biden is etc.

Europe's root problem is Americans are here.

You have your Audie Murphy / John Wayne black hat / white hat world view. Ukraine, of which you, being American, know sweet fuck all, shows your simplistic analysis (sic) is good for nothing, only to feed obese Americans. Following the Soviet Union's defeat of Nazi Germany, the CIA recruited Gestapo and SS to give them information on the USSR. This was most effective in Ukraine where Nazi contingents fought on into the mid 1950's. CIA controlled Ukrainian expats in Canada especially wrote the counter narrative that the SS were the good guys. That is why the Nazi have been more successful in Ukraine than anywhere else.

Americans do not belong in Europe. They should fuck off once and for all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYWy...LearningCenter

Hopefully the Bandera SS and their CIA handlers will be marched through Moscow like this on their way to new jobs in Siberia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC6o...nel=MaannaJoro

[Golfinho]

The Russian forces did a good job rooting out ISIS from Grozny. Have you seen what the US terrorist forces did to Raqqa, to say nothing of Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Americans have no moral cards. Never had and never will.

Europe's root problem is having the USA here.

The GDR ceased to exist after 'reunification' while the Bundesrepublik continued. This was no end to the Cold War; it was the post-war Allied Occupied Zone expanding. The root problem is America has refused to release its subjugated German vassal, and won't do so until they're rooted out.

[HessenStud]

It also amazes me with how many people are not up on international relations enough to realize that Russia and China are the same. They have a mutual defense pact. They are the same animal in this regard. So you cannot hope to fight one and not the other. So weakening our position in Europe or NATO is also appeasing China as much as appeasing Russia well but it seems politically convenient for people to ignore.

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashp...y-cooperation/.

Russia has taken so many land from China in the last 200 years. At least 90% Chinese hate Russians. But Chinese has not so many atom bombs and advanced weapons like Russia and they share the probably longest country board in the world. China does not want to offend Putin. You didn't mean that a bear and a dragon can be good friends, did you? The Chinese also doesn't like Americans, but it is more like wrestling, after wrestling they are still friends, because in the WW 2 Americans have helped China a lot and Americans have never taken even one square meter land from China. Trade, human right, or technology conflict are there, but they are changing. If you have lost your land, like Alaska, Texas, Falkland (Argentina) or Crimea, it would be almost impossible or even impossible to get it back.

If China supported Ukraine, later Putin could make big troubles on the boarder after the war in Ukraine, (because otherwise he would lost his face), let alone China needs the oil and gas from Russia (each year about 20 billion dollars). EU trades about 50 billion Euros oil and gas from Russia per year and it is not included in the current sanction.

During the WW 2, nobody made such a sanction to Hitler. Now look at the EU and USA, they want 'Putler' to stop the ear but they are continuously doing business with his land. What a shame! With the 50 billion Euros Putin can fight 365 days per year! Are there still bravery spirit in Americans? I cannot see any of them like in WW 2, Irak, Afhan, Korea or Vietnam! Remember you (esp. USA and England) have promised Ukraine that you will defend Ukraine if any country invade Ukraine as Ukraine damaged his atom bombs. China has also a similar pact with Ukraine, that's why even now China does not admit, that it is an invasion.

Putin said there is Nazis in Ukraine and he has to clean them out for his country's benefit, but there is always Nazis in Germany, will later Putin also take care Germany? For example, attacking Berlin? If Americans now send troops, I don't think China, India, Brazil etc. Will do any business with Russia, because it will be a final contest, it's a matter dying for justice or dying as a coward!

The above is only my two cents, it doesn't represent any groups or governments' opinion.

[PedroMorales]

The USA is a serial invader of other countries. Right now, it is occupying and looting Syria of its oil. It destroyed Libya, got its side kicks to destroy Libya, is complicit in the Saudi genocide of Yemen, destroyed the Nordstream 2 gas project.

Sorry, but I strongly disagree. Europe is not capable of defending itself (nothing new there), and Putin's mad-tsar disease is threatening the world right now. While Xi might become way more dangerous in the future, is it wise to ignore a present danger fighting a possible threat down the road instead?

Tell you what, though. I wouldn't mind if we tried to tackle both. Especially that Xi seems to be going out of his way to please his buddy Pu. Let's hit him with something like, I don't know, warning sanctions if he tries too hard.

There wasn't any ISIS in Grozny, you cretin. And yeah, they did a heck of a job, bombing the living hell out of everyone in Grozny including ethnic RUSSIANS who had a misfortune of living in Chechnya for decades. When did he give a fuck who to kill? You do know he had blown up two apartment buildings in Moscow to ramp up public support for that war?

LOL. The only "agreement" this article shows is an agreement to start a conversation, LOL.

[Xpartan]

In reality, I think Trump was schmoozing Putin like a salesman would. Clearly, Putin likes to have his ego massaged.

Believe what you want about Russian collusion, the United States still needs to pivot away from Russia to China. The Europeans are perfectly capable of defending Europe with some American assistance.

Sorry, but I strongly disagree. Europe is not capable of defending itself (nothing new there), and Putin's mad-tsar disease is threatening the world right now. While Xi might become way more dangerous in the future, is it wise to ignore a present danger fighting a possible threat down the road instead?

Tell you what, though. I wouldn't mind if we tried to tackle both. Especially that Xi seems to be going out of his way to please his buddy Pu. Let's hit him with something like, I don't know, warning sanctions if he tries too hard.

Czechoslovakia ceased to exist on January 1, 1993. Prague is in Central, not Eastern Europe.

The Russian forces did a good job rooting out ISIS from Grozny. Have you seen what the US terrorist forces did to Raqqa, to say nothing of Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Americans have no moral cards. Never had and never will.

Europe's root problem is having the USA here.

There wasn't any ISIS in Grozny, you cretin. And yeah, they did a heck of a job, bombing the living hell out of everyone in Grozny including ethnic RUSSIANS who had a misfortune of living in Chechnya for decades. When did he give a fuck who to kill? You do know he had blown up two apartment buildings in Moscow to ramp up public support for that war?

Thankfully, Zelensky is finally being reasonable, or maybe it's the extreme nationalists who are finally allowing Zelensky to be reasonable rather than threatening to kill him for any signs of capitulation. Article below shows agreement on 3 of Putin's 5 demands. Remaining demands are no EU membership and de-militarization. If Ukraine can swallow no NATO, they can swallow no EU. As for de-militarization, probably no offensive weapons will be enough to satisfy Russia. Unlimited anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, but no long-range surface to surface missiles, limited aircraft, certainly no nukes. Putin must be given a victory soon, otherwise Kyiv and orher cities get saturation bombed. Hopefully, CIA is communicating this clearly to the Stepan Bandera crowd and hopefully that crowd is satisfied with how many Russian tanks and troops they have destroyed so far. , so that this war can finally end.

https://us.yahoo.com/news/ukraines-z...181721289.html

LOL. The only "agreement" this article shows is an agreement to start a conversation, LOL.

[Kozerog]

Thankfully, Zelensky is finally being reasonable, or maybe it's the extreme nationalists who are finally allowing Zelensky to be reasonable rather than threatening to kill him for any signs of capitulation. Article below shows agreement on 3 of Putin's 5 demands. Remaining demands are no EU membership and de-militarization. If Ukraine can swallow no NATO, they can swallow no EU. As for de-militarization, probably no offensive weapons will be enough to satisfy Russia. Unlimited anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, but no long-range surface to surface missiles, limited aircraft, certainly no nukes. Putin must be given a victory soon, otherwise Kyiv and orher cities get saturation bombed. Hopefully, CIA is communicating this clearly to the Stepan Bandera crowd and hopefully that crowd is satisfied with how many Russian tanks and troops they have destroyed so far. , so that this war can finally end.

https://us.yahoo.com/news/ukraines-z...181721289.html

[Jmsuttr]

Czechoslovakia ceased to exist on January 1, 1993. Prague is in Central, not Eastern Europe.

The Russian forces did a good job rooting out ISIS from Grozny. Have you seen what the US terrorist forces did to Raqqa, to say nothing of Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Americans have no moral cards. Never had and never will.

Europe's root problem is having the USA here.

I'm guessing Europe's "root problem" is about to get worse, since there will probably be several countries (Poland? Baltics?) asking the US to station additional troops (in existing or new bases) on their soil. One likely outcome of Putin's actions will be to make for stronger ties between individual European countries and NATO / US.

[WyattEarp]

I'm not saying he's not engaging, I'm just saying that his logic is flawed. Putin had been planning this war for many years, at least since 2013, and Biden's sanctions on Nord 2 wouldn't have changed anything.

I basically agree. Guys like Niall Ferguson's opinions can be classified as infotainment. One might learn something about history, economics and politics, but one shouldn't get too bought in on his opinions.

[PedroMorales]

My first venture into Eastern Europe was to Czechoslovakia and its beautiful capital Prague.

:;The 19992000 battle of Grozny was the siege and assault of the Chechen capital Grozny by Russian forces, lasting from late 1999 to early 2000. The siege and fighting left the capital devastated. In 2003, the United Nations called Grozny the most destroyed city on Earth. Wikipedia.

Czechoslovakia ceased to exist on January 1, 1993. Prague is in Central, not Eastern Europe.

The Russian forces did a good job rooting out ISIS from Grozny. Have you seen what the US terrorist forces did to Raqqa, to say nothing of Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Americans have no moral cards. Never had and never will.

Europe's root problem is having the USA here.

[WyattEarp]

And Obama's inability (or lack of desire) to adequately confront him back in 2014 was a profound and costly mistake.

But Trump's incessant, baffling and, quite frankly, nauseating bootlicking has certainly emboldened him to a huge degree.

In reality, I think Trump was schmoozing Putin like a salesman would. Clearly, Putin likes to have his ego massaged.

Believe what you want about Russian collusion, the United States still needs to pivot away from Russia to China. The Europeans are perfectly capable of defending Europe with some American assistance.

[Xpartan]

My first venture into Eastern Europe was to Czechoslovakia and its beautiful capital Prague.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...864&viewfull=1#post974864.

Had the people resisted the Soviet invasion, Probably the city could've been flattened just like Grozny in the 90's.

:;The 19992000 battle of Grozny was the siege and assault of the Chechen capital Grozny by Russian forces, lasting from late 1999 to early 2000. The siege and fighting left the capital devastated. In 2003, the United Nations called Grozny the most destroyed city on Earth. Wikipedia.

Well, it was totally different. Czechoslovakia was the Warsaw Pact member and all alone. The world couldn't help.