Stupid Shit in Kyiv

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...In other words, even if a few girls successfully scammed Mohammad in the past, the secret is out now and competition has surely ruined the market. That is, add up all the money of all the gullible Mohammads in the entire world, then divide by the number of scammers, and result is that most scammers aren't making much...

The key word here is "most". Some girls do, but resources are limited, and competition is fierce. I have wealthy local friends, they get a lot for free, and have no desire to sponsor long-term.

I also communicated a few times with scammers. They get easily frustrated when their attempts do not work. Desperation is obvious.

So, there's a lot of make-belief, wishful thinking and misconception around mongering activities in Kiev, as well as lots of variety, as it is a big and continually growing city with vibrant young population. Many girls do fish for easy money, doesn't mean they get it left and right, leaving the visiting boys empty-handed.

[TinyHippo]

$3000 to $6000 per month for an IT person in Ukraine is greatly exaggerated. Maybe somewhere else in Eastern Europe and the Balkans, but unlikely in Ukraine, definitely not in Kiev, flooded with talent searching for jobs. And not everyone leaves Ukraine to work elsewhere.

I wonder what would that USASG gentleman say after staying in Kiev for a year? Would he find a job paying so well? Would he be happy with ladies?

I think you would be very surprised at the IT salaries in Kyiv. $3000 is very common for a python or java programmer under 30. In the US or London they would be making at least $8000 a month. So, $3000-4000 is a bargain and office girls (SMM, Adsense, data science, etc.) are making 1200€+ a month. Epam alone has over 5000 tech employees in UA. Odessa and the east is a very different story, but the young tech crowd in Kyiv has money.

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Ever notice the big effort in photography by Ukrainians? There's a reason for that.

Hence my suggestion to meet the girls in person.

I have nothing against masturbation, or any other form of getting off, as long as it's consensual and nobody is hurt. To each his own. Yet my own preference is to consume the real product instead of a substitute.

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The other junk news I find interesting is the Italian guy that got deported. If that cuck understood that their's a touch of tute in every woman, he would have been prepared for the stick shoved up his ass by his bee wife.

Riina, can you be a little less cryptic and more informative in your messages please? Not that I am going to marry an Ukrainian, but you certainly piqued my curiosity.

[Kozerog]

...Mohammads sending them money each day...The hot ones get all things handed to them in life...

When hot girls are young, yes life is easy, but they don't stay young forever. Which is why there are always plenty of former hot girls eager to work for moderate pay as agency dispatchers, mama sans, etc. But why work for moderate pay if it's so easy to squeeze money from "Mohammad"? Just use old photos, from back when they were still hot, or steal another girls photos. If online only, then doesn't matter if photo is real or not, right? Boris and Ivan can also use fake photos to get free money from Mohammed, and Boris and Ivan have the advantage of better understanding how Mohammad's sex-deprived male mind works. In other words, even if a few girls successfully scammed Mohammad in the past, the secret is out now and competition has surely ruined the market. That is, add up all the money of all the gullible Mohammads in the entire world, then divide by the number of scammers, and result is that most scammers aren't making much.

Similar situation with girls in the USA on seeking.com offering platonic or online-only or financial domination relationships. Add up all the money of all the simps willing to indulge such foolishness, divide by the number of girls trying these scams, and final result is that most such girls are getting nothing.

[Riina]

The case is simple. Get paid remotely, and fuck young local dick. Not too bad of an arrangement.

Ever notice the big effort in photography by Ukrainians? There's a reason for that.

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Paying remotely IMO is a form of masturbation. Girls certainly like it, and there is substantial category living off of it. Why do one of us should participate in that?

After giving it a thought, I see that shrinks and lawyers are frequently paid big bucks for nothing. Perhaps paying remotely for online conversation, promise of eternal youth and happiness over video-chat, is something like psycho therapy counseling. Why should Ukrainian girls do it for free?

The case is simple. Get paid remotely, and fuck young local dick. Not too bad of an arrangement.

[DramaFree11]

And don't forget the local dudes have money too. Lots of IT workers are under 25 and they are making $3000 to $6000 per month. The market is so hot for skilled workers that HR managers are not able to find enough people. They are actually importing Indians into Eastern Europe and the Balkans. And they are getting paid as well. SO the attractive women can simply hook up with a nice young man and have whatever they want. The Euro agencies and massage businesses will only have old women and average women to offer.

This is a great point, but many of the regular contributors are in complete denial about the truth. Many locals do have a lot of money, probably even more now, then when I was there, since it is so easy for them to work abroad now.

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A bro posted this on USASG. I think it's relevant to Kiev.

$3000 to $6000 per month for an IT person in Ukraine is greatly exaggerated. Maybe somewhere else in Eastern Europe and the Balkans, but unlikely in Ukraine, definitely not in Kiev, flooded with talent searching for jobs. And not everyone leaves Ukraine to work elsewhere.

To me this sounds like a rant of an unhappy monger. Maybe he cannot get it in US, and is not quite satisfied while visiting mongering destination. Hence the explanation of obstacles.

The solution is simple. Buy tickets, get to Kiev, and do it right.

I have communicated with two separate visitors that just returned from a week there. Far from the first visit for both, and they are ecstatic. Already scheduling next trip. No difficulties, adequate rates, great service, beautiful ladies. Way above 6, that our irrelevant naysayer steadily complains about.

Sure there is partial truth in that USASG post. Yes, there are visitors spending too much, and even those sending money remotely for nothing. Yes the girls obviously prefer younger partners, and few of them find acceptable suitors. How come however, that I get Valentine's Day messages from 13 Ukrainian girls ranging from 20 to 25? I am almost 60, and forget those messages, - while in Kiev I frequently have to chose between my regulars and reject some of them. And I am far from being unique in my happiness.

SSDD. Same shit, different day. Some succeed, some fail and build lengthy explanations staying in the Ivory Tower far away from the actual action on the ground.

Yes, there are some locals making decent money, and they have abundance of female attention, the market is ultra-competitive.

In my almost 20 years of flying to Kiev, I did have 3 requests to transfer money via Western Union. Refused. All 3 still meet with me while I visit. Paying remotely IMO is a form of masturbation. Girls certainly like it, and there is substantial category living off of it. Why do one of us should participate in that?

I wonder what would that USASG gentleman say after staying in Kiev for a year? Would he find a job paying so well? Would he be happy with ladies?

[Riina]

The other junk news I find interesting is the Italian guy that got deported. If that cuck understood that their's a touch of tute in every woman, he would have been prepared for the stick shoved up his ass by his bee wife.

[Riina]

A bro posted this on USASG. I think it's relevant to Kiev.

I know that in Ukraine and Russia the attractive girls are getting bombed with offers from men. Men from around the world. Men that don't even plan visiting those countries. When I was there the girls I knew were getting Mohammads sending them money each day. These dudes were so needy. And the girls would pay attention to them for a couple minutes and get funded. They also get free trips to Turkey and Dubai. Even some of my workers in my office in Europe received trips to Dubai to "play". They came back with some cash and expensive Gucci or Louis Vuitton. Girls are * it's just about the price. They all cave in eventually. The hot ones get all things handed to them in life. They don't need to come here and be slaves. The average ones are the only girls interested in coming to this country. But the UK is more attractive. Americans tend to think immigrants are so lucky to come to "the best country in the world" But the way Immigration officials treat you when entering the country is very humiliating. Even for citizens coming back from trips abroad. So why should hotties even come? They don't want to really work a job. They can live a way better life in there own country or if necessary go to Germany and make money. With all these apps and websites there is just so many opportunities for hotties to get that cash.

And don't forget the local dudes have money too. Lots of IT workers are under 25 and they are making $3000 to $6000 per month. The market is so hot for skilled workers that HR managers are not able to find enough people. They are actually importing Indians into Eastern Europe and the Balkans. And they are getting paid as well. SO the attractive women can simply hook up with a nice young man and have whatever they want. The Euro agencies and massage businesses will only have old women and average women to offer.

[Riina]

Exactly as I said.

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This fat slob had the hottest wife too. Just goes to show no matter how good the pussy is that men eventually get tired of it.

That's right!

I actually have no doubts and regrets about calling hourly girls while one of my beautiful rental GFs goes to beauty salon for a few hours or takes her finals at the university. Why do I do that? Because I need variety, I need new pussy, I need the girl showing new passion, discover her, seduce her into doing more than what usually happens.

I am also strictly against abuse in any shape or form. "No" literally means "no", I will not force anything, but I will surely try to convince. I will not use money, but I will try to make my Lady of the Night happy. And Ukrainian ladies certainly love to fuck!

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Holy Gold Digger, you were not kidding about his wife. Looks like a 40 yo ex-Victorias secret model.

She's a British fashion designer. She left Harvey after 10 years of marriage, when MeToo movement took off in 2017, and 90 women accused him. AFAIK after she dumped him, Weinstein didn't complain that all the fashion designers are terrible, that the good ones all left UK for greener pastures, and only rated 6 and below remain available for certain activities.

[TinyHippo]

If you're talking about good ole Harvey, there's a big difference between paying a hooker for a blowjob and what this guy did. I'm sure there are a ton of women who went along with it willingly. But also this guy seems like the power went to his head and he couldn't take no for an answer. He probably did rape those women. Us normal pay 4 play mongers have it pretty good; we can anonymously go about our business with escorts. If you're famous it's probably a lot harder to get laid discreetly especially if these guys are married. This fat slob had the hottest wife too. Just goes to show no matter how good the pussy is that men eventually get tired of it.

Holy Gold Digger, you were not kidding about his wife. Looks like a 40 yo ex-Victorias secret model.