Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Misterxxx]

Ukraine doesn't have border with Bulgaria. It's a common misconception...

And I thought you would be trapped. And answer me that you have already been there.

The fact is: $ 100 for a meeting is portrayed as ridiculous. Instead, a used iPhone 6 or 6's is proposed. But this is already available for $ 150. I already mentioned the source. Of course, there are phones of different qualities. But a Ukrainian knows the true value. So $ 150. Because top quality is not expected. But here a value of $ 200 to $ 300 was given for such a phone. That's not true. So the $ 150 for such a phone is closer to the $ 100. About which you laughed. Here you are still trying to save money. And $ 150 is still not $ 300. Which were proposed for a meeting "in 2019".

In addition: A used telephone can break. What do you do when the phone stops working a month later? Total loss. The girl will be upset. But you would like to continue to meet the girl. What does the plan look like? Will you give $ 300 for the last meeting? And take the phone back? Or $ 100 or $ 150 or $ 200? A new phone is being repaired by the store. Minimum: A used, no longer functioning phone will cause costs. About that the girl will be annoying. Even if a repair costs only 500 UAH.

Such a problem can affect the good relationship. A very simple girl from the country can be impressed. But a girl from Kiev? In no way. Or do you go to a second-hand clothes shop with your girls?

[PhotoSlider]

I think I know the Ukraine better than most people in the forum. How much time did you spend in the Ukraine? Several years? Like me? You were in the Ukraine when the Maidan burned? Like me? Do you know Kiev as it was over 20 years ago? Or 10 or 5 years ago? Did you travel through the Ukraine? From Lviv and Lutsk to Crimea? To Kharkiv, Zaporishe, Donetsk and Odessa? To the border to Bulgaria? And also to the small towns?

Ukraine doesn't have border with Bulgaria. It's a common misconception. Doesn't really matter. Lets' call it a border with Romania. Yes I did go all the way to Danube River, where people speak an interesting mix of languages.

Yes I know Ukraine for more than 30 years now, and was in Kiev in 1986, the Chernobyl year. I stayed downtown at my GFs apartment at that time. She is nowhere near even a hint of semi-pro or anything.

I did hitchhiking for free with a different civilian GF in 1987 all the way from north of Kharkiv through Kremenchug to Odessa and back with a stop-over in Kiev. She was gorgeous in her mini-skirt helping to stop truck-trailer drivers. One night near Aleksandria or Kirovograd we stayed overnight in the village, just knocked on the door, and the old lady let us sleep in her barn. In the morning she brought us fresh cherries for breakfast. As you know, in Ukraine this is nothing special. God bless that old lady!

I have been to Crimea too many times, at least since 1987, and for another 6 weeks as late as September 2013 before the annexation.

I wish I went to Lviv, Uzhgorod, and many great cities in the West. Somehow I get stuck with girls in Kiev.

Yes, obviously you traveled more than me, and have justified claims on superiority. That's fine. This is not about whose dick is thicker and longer. This is Kiev Forum, as relevant as traveling through all of Ukraine might be.

I prefer that girls from remote towns and villages come to Kiev, and I meet them there. Prostitutes or not. I certainly differentiate, but there is a wide spectrum range in Kiev going from complete prudes to outright pros, and that attracts me personally.

IMHO it is much easier for an average member of this Kiev Forum to go to Kiev and stay in Kiev entertaining himself. There are separate threads for venturing outside.

Where are you looking for an iphone in Kiev? On the Internet? Many of the prices are negotiable. In a shop in the center? That's the wrong place. Go to the suburbs. Or just Radio Rynok. Even there, all prices are not fixed.

Again, you are completely missing the point.Yes Kiev is flooded with all kinds of smartphones, of various quality and price.

I do not look anywhere to buy. I already have very good iPhone 6's 128 GB for free, that I do not need. It looks like new, with box and everything. My guess in Kiev it is at least 200 USD. The girl in question would prefer to pocket the difference between 6's and X or even new 8. And I agree with her, even though we never discussed it. It is difficult to earn money for a student in the college 2-3 hours away from Kiev. And I misspoke, it is not refurbished, it is used. Maybe I should replace the battery, and with that I actually would like to use your advise. Do you know a reliable repair shop? I cannot use a random one, because my friends experienced a different levels of repair quality in Kiev.

IMO 6's was the best iPhone made by Apple, and it has been discontinued. New 6's is not being sold as of September 2018. Too bad. At some point it will not run newer iOS and apps. That is the main logical reason to have a newer model, besides it being a status symbol like Michael Kors purse and shit.

In the past I gave away my retired and perfectly working iPhone 5 mongerphone. Funny, I gave it to mother of my GF in Cherkassy. I asked if after that I should marry her.

Is this young lady my mistress? Well, usually labeling someone a mistress has a connotation of exclusivity. I like my dynamically revolving harem. Right now she is a top 5. Maybe top 3 girl in that harem. I like her a lot. IMO $200-300 for a few nights, that already happened, is more than reasonable. We shall see how much more I will see her, and how I can further help with her tuition. BTW, thanks much to Horny American for staying on the subject, and approving my approach.

Also, as has been said here on the Forum, smart girls in Kiev do not like when money is spent elsewhere, they do watch monger expenses and react. For example, when I used to go to Rio with some of my GFs, they watched very attentively, and objected fiercely to any tips to dancers, literally hissing at them.

[Misterxxx]

Mistress, this is the norm, this guy make the crazy statements all the time. He simply does not care and has had little regard for newbies by his post, his statements do not give accurate picture of Kiev. He thinks it is funny when girls ask him for money or when he is a victim of bait and switch.

I think I know the Ukraine better than most people in the forum. How much time did you spend in the Ukraine? Several years? Like me? You were in the Ukraine when the Maidan burned? Like me? Do you know Kiev as it was over 20 years ago? Or 10 or 5 years ago? Did you travel through the Ukraine? From Lviv and Lutsk to Crimea? To Kharkiv, Zaporishe, Donetsk and Odessa? To the border to Bulgaria? And also to the small towns?

The problem with reality is that you have spent most of your time with prostitutes. Professionals. Or semi-professionals. Not with normal people. The ideas of these girls are different. These girls want to rise. At least financially. In the company of these girls you will never experience the Ukrainian reality.

Where are you looking for an iphone in Kiev? On the Internet? Many of the prices are negotiable. In a shop in the center? That's the wrong place. Go to the suburbs. Or just Radio Rynok. Even there, all prices are not fixed.

[DramaFree11]

I know well, but why do you know that I know?

It is obvious by your posts you know what you are doing. Unlike others you do not exaggerate or fabricate your stories. I give you credit for not paying as myself and others do, so keep up the good work.

[Michi T]

Probably 30-45% are happy. Much better destinations as you know well.

I know well, but why do you know that I know?

[DramaFree11]

Stupid shit in Kiev discussion is so silen!? Everybody now happy with Kiev girls?

Probably 30-45% are happy. Much better destinations as you know well.

[Michi T]

Stupid shit in Kiev discussion is so silen!? Everybody now happy with Kiev girls?

[Jojosun]

I never disclosed whom the individuals are but even then it's easy to deduce as you more than likely have.

So what does that say about the number of people who hate on Ukraine so much?

Anyhow, not my intent to pick a fight. I'm merely one person who has had a positive experience.

I prefer to keep it civil and not attack others with differing opinions as we each deserve to voice them.

So apologies if I offended them I only want to make sure that others understand that that the experience varies from person to person as we are all different in terms of our cash flow, personality, age, physical fitness, etc etc. It's unfair to paint a an absolute negative experience on a country simply because you have had bad experiences. What about those who haven't had a negative experience like myself? Yeah, crap happens but not to everybody.

Can you believe it that crap did happen on one of my trips not just once but twice. Not in Kiev and I've been there loads of times, but in one of the safest cities in the world, Tokyo.

Shinjuku area of Tokyo and my drink got spiked by the Nigerian manager of a hostess bar. I smelt a rat when I had a look at my beer with very frothy head to it.

I just got up and headed to the exit and told him to f off.

Second time a very sexy Chinese hostess managed to fleece me out of nearly US $300 for just touching and feeling her in the club in the Akasaka area of Tokyo.

The 2 big scams didn't turn me against Tokyo as one of the great cities for fun and sex if only exchange rates go back to what they were nearly 10 years ago.

[DramaFree11]

I love how Drama gives his opinion on other posters validity but he admits he hasn't been to Kiev in 2+ years. Rinna is a better source with his Chicago info!

I was talking about accurate and real information, not fictional.

[Member #4722]

You are totally correct Kozerog is a pro and tells things the way they are, both good / bad.

I love how Drama gives his opinion on other posters validity but he admits he hasn't been to Kiev in 2+ years. Rinna is a better source with his Chicago info!

[DramaFree11]

It's posts like Kozerogs and PhotoSliders that make me realize that mongering in a new destination is like starting a business from scratch. You'll have to deal with setbacks and learn. I've become very comfortable with my Ukrainian pimp back home that everything has become so easy like a smooth operating business any idiot could manage. Maybe that's why I was down on Kiev my last trip. It's tough to start from the beginning again.

You are totally correct Kozerog is a pro and tells things the way they are, both good / bad.

[PhotoSlider]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107...bbed-of-18-000

If this poor fella would have read this forum, he would have known that he was a target the moment he landed in Ukraine.

Him specifically, or anybody in Ukraine?

[Riina]

It's posts like Kozerogs and PhotoSliders that make me realize that mongering in a new destination is like starting a business from scratch. You'll have to deal with setbacks and learn. I've become very comfortable with my Ukrainian pimp back home that everything has become so easy like a smooth operating business any idiot could manage. Maybe that's why I was down on Kiev my last trip. It's tough to start from the beginning again.

[PhotoSlider]

...If you read PhotoSlider's reports carefully and you have personal experience with those hidden agencies he is using, then you will recognize that reality might feel quite different from his description. Not everyone is as quick to recover as PhotoSlider from rude girls who have to be sent away, girls who turn out unenthusiastic in bed, rude mamasans, etc. PhotoSlider was determined to make things work, he steered forwards relentlessly, as he puts it, and was obviously attentive to what he was doing so as to minimize risks and avoid problems.

I wouldn't even call it forward, more precisely steering away from underwater rocks and other disasters potentially damaging the ship, there are plenty of those in Kiev. Just as you say, Kozerog, minimizing risks and avoid problems.

I am thinking in terms of strategic methodology applied to categories withing the locality, not tactical tricks applied to individuals.

In Rio-de-Janeiro, Brazil, it meant going to good Termas instead of street hunting and ordering outcalls to my place, as I didn't know the language that much, and there's a higher crime rate.

That's how I used to be when I was running a business, when setbacks just energized me to try harder. Not everyone is going to have that determined attitude with regards to mongering. Without that determined attitude plus lots of experience and street sense, I think average guys are going to find Kyiv closer to DramaFree11's description than PhotoSlider's.

I have other thoughts on the subject. Trying to replicate Western hunting approach for women in Ukrainian bars and clubs is what killing most of foreign visitors. Kiev is cannot be further away from the concept. Will elaborate later, need to think more before trying to help others.

What is not talked about much on this forum is the option of a shared mistress situation like I have with my jewel. If I will be seeing a girl / woman hundreds of times over the years (I've only seen my jewel about 36 times so far, but my hopes are high for the future) then the sort of unpleasant effort PhotoSlider is implying in his reports makes sense for someone like me, whereas it doesn't make sense for one shot deals. Big upfront investment but bigger long-term payoff. Of course, a mistress situation is not for everyone.

I did an ex-GIA GF for 2 weeks during this visit, and kicked her out eventually for being selfish, and not sweet enough. I could have stayed longer with her, getting more and more pissed and irritated. Cutting her out and shutting down any and all communication without further damage and endless complaints seems like a right move.

I currently have 2 long-term GFs in Kiev:

- One for 4 years now, she is a freelancer, and a smart one. My favorite.

- Another one for the last 3 years, and she has a significant other (other than me).

Most enjoyable young ladies. Trust means a lot in those relationships. Should see both of them soon.

Another ex-GIA I had for half a year, then her innocence wore out and I stopped answering Viber messages, stopped seeing her while visiting Kiev. She was one of the sweetest. Such a shame what happened to a very classy lady!

Also my apologies to everybody, if my Casanova posts offend you. Please disregard and keep in mind that I had my own share of failures in Kiev and elsewhere. I am almost surprised that Kozerog understand me the best. Perhaps it is his analytical mind and honesty to himself.

[Kozerog]

DramaFree11 weakens his credibility with repeated careless formatting of posts, never mind the contents of those posts. If he is similarly careless in his mongering, that will spell disaster in Kyiv. But I think there is an element of truth in his critique. If you read PhotoSlider's reports carefully and you have personal experience with those hidden agencies he is using, then you will recognize that reality might feel quite different from his description. Not everyone is as quick to recover as PhotoSlider from rude girls who have to be sent away, girls who turn out unenthusiastic in bed, rude mamasans, etc. PhotoSlider was determined to make things work, he steered forwards relentlessly, as he puts it, and was obviously attentive to what he was doing so as to minimize risks and avoid problems. That's how I used to be when I was running a business, when setbacks just energized me to try harder. Not everyone is going to have that determined attitude with regards to mongering. Without that determined attitude plus lots of experience and street sense, I think average guys are going to find Kyiv closer to DramaFree11's description than PhotoSlider's.

What is not talked about much on this forum is the option of a shared mistress situation like I have with my jewel. If I will be seeing a girl / woman hundreds of times over the years (I've only seen my jewel about 36 times so far, but my hopes are high for the future) then the sort of unpleasant effort PhotoSlider is implying in his reports makes sense for someone like me, whereas it doesn't make sense for one shot deals. Big upfront investment but bigger long-term payoff. Of course, a mistress situation is not for everyone.