Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Jmsuttr]

The West's "Empire of Lies" in Ukraine - https://youtu.be/bUEHeVIQHts.

The perfect example of that is their self-delusion about supposedly winning WW-II without any help from the West.

In fact, May 9th is their primary Festival of Delusion. Too bad so many Russian cities will not be holding any parades. And those parades that might take place will be even more pathetic caricatures than usual.

[Jmsuttr]

Great post, Wyatt! Yeah, I liked JM's posts. I knew what side he was on, and I used to respect his posts and what he brought to the table. Lately, it has been personal attacks and just stupid narcissistic comments (I will decide which facts are true.).

1. Which side I'm on has been crystal clear from my very first post. No mystery there, even for the most obtuse.

2. Wyatt made it personal by presuming to lecture me about how I should feel. Once someone makes it personal, it's rather pathetic to whine about a personal response.

3. I have never once stated that I "decide" which facts are true. And I challenge you to produce a SINGLE thing I've posted to back up your BS assertion. True facts speak for themselves and they have an amazing ability to rise conspicuously and persistently above pseudo-evidence and opinion-based narrative. For any facts I've posted, I welcome rebuttal and debate. I will always acknowledge fact-based positions and, wherever those facts lead, that's where I'll follow.

It's unfortunate how many, like you, decide first which narrative they prefer, and then selectively choose facts that fit therein.

Confirmation bias much?

[GDreams]

Drama, It is unclear why you persist in posting statements that appear to lack basic literacy and demonstrate a level of reasoning that is reminiscent of an eight-year-old. While there are individuals on this forum who hold varying beliefs and perspectives, your posts are notably unsophisticated and unintentionally funny. Your time would be better spend learning language (any language, for that matter, including your native) and increasing your overall level of analytical abilities by getting your hands on some elementary math textbooks.

Drama is one of those illiterate MAGAs so don't expect education. He was ripped of repeatedly by Ukrainian scammers as he is not that clever so has a deep seated hatred for Ukraine.

[Questner]

The West's "Empire of Lies" in Ukraine - https://youtu.be/bUEHeVIQHts.

[Xpartan]

You are living in dream world, stop watching crazy ass liberal media. We will have all.

The answers in the next couple of weeks.

Sorry to tell you, but Ukraine is getting it's ass kicked directly and in directly. There will be nothing left, but a broke and destroyed country. That is definitely a win, in your liberal world.

Ukraine needs to start negotiating quickly and stop listening to Biden and buddies. As Elvis said the latest stunt of flying Drones in Moscow is a big mistake.

Time will tell who is correct!

Have news for you.

Time has spoken.

You're a paid olginsky troll.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

Your "mongering activities" in other threads are most likely fakes. You most likely have never been to Mexico or Colombia.

No one can keep repeating the same dumb, ridiculous, thoroughly debunked shit for over a year, as if they were on a mission -- unless they ARE on a mission.

To be honest, I had my doubts, so I've carved a few quotes from your rich "library" to keep them all on the same page.

You're claiming to be from Texas. In my opinion, you don't live in this country.

It's astonishing that Russia would waste money on propagandists on a fucking mongering forum, but what do I know! I guess we're Very Important People after all, LOL.

Anyway, here goes.

March 2022.

Ukraine decided to take on a bully and is getting absolutely destroyed as result. Any deal is good deal at this point, nobody is coming to help them and if thought that was going to happen, maybe one of the biggest miscalculation of all time.

There will be nothing will be left of Ukraine

Nobody is winning. This is a total mess. The war needs to end yesterday, somebody needs to win.

When your country is destroyed, sorry that is not a win. They will never get into NATO because of the corruption. Yes, both Russia and Ukraine are screwed.

May 2022.

Ukraine loses either way. A tie is not a win, if there is nothing left.

Nobody is winning, this is total mess. The longer this craziness continues, the world economy will tank, this is almost worst scenario, minus a Nuclear War.

So true, they should be forced to negotiate and compromise. Instead of sending weapons, we should say enough is enough. Find a solution and end this crazy war.

We should be demanding a ceasefire and negotiations. Cut off some of the money and weapons, you will see a settlement quickly.

They need to find a solution to end this, both sides need to compromise. Nobody is winning.

Let's see how well the great Ukraine army does, they sure as hell were not calling the shots at the beginning, maybe a little now. They have done amazing up to this point, but now is time for compromise. Yes, Ukraine is partially to blame for this mess they are in and if the get greedy they will end up flattened and broke.

This is endless stupid war. Yes, Ukraine government is partially to blame for all there lies, corruption and silly games

Both sides are terrible, Ukraine is one of the most corrupt governments ever or an Evil Dictator, pick your poison.

If gas goes up much more and Ukraine is unwilling to negotiate, support will dry up fast for Ukraine.

As usual Ukraine will lose because of corruption and greed. They were winning, but there leadership was too stupid to make a deal.

I have bad news for you, Ukraine is now losing and it is only going to get worse. They need a solution or a compromise quickly. The longer this goes on the worse it will get for Ukraine and the world's economy. Ukraine will end up with almost nothing, but that is what they do best lose.

Ukraine government has about 1-2 months to figure this out, or they are in deep shit. Public opinion will start shifting when the media starts reporting about all the corruption that is and was going on in Ukraine. Then the funds, support and weapons will dry up. The better start negotiating, or they will end up with almost nothing.

July 2022

I give the liberal Media, 1-2 months, and they will turn on Ukraine Government. They will bring up the corruption and start asking questions. Also, they will questioning why there is almost zero negotiations going on to end this war. This will be the end of the Ukraine government.

They are destroying there country and the world economy. Negotiate before it is too late.

Until Ukraine and there allies wake up and decide to have a winning strategy they are going to lose big time.

Liberals are good at losing, and Ukraine Government is even better at losing. This time Ukraine is taking the world economy down with them and our Great Pres.

Ukraine looses either way, but there government is too stupid to realize this. So sad!!

Why Ukraine would risk everything over joining a corrupt organization,(NAtO), beats me. They can have NATO, we should pull out, let Ukraine have NATO.

Ukraine is being destroyed, there people are getting killed or wounded, there will be nothing left to fight over.

We want the war to end. Either way Ukraine is totally screwed, as usual.

August 2022

Pres. Z. Is going to get everyone killed and there will be nothing left to fight over. I guess this is Winning strategy, he must be a Democratic, they love to lose.

There is no way Ukraine wins, only in your Video Game and your Fantasy world. Unfortunately Pres. Z. is playing the same game you are playing, he is getting many incident people killed in the process and his country is being destroyed.

You are delusional, living in a fantasy world and no desire to negotiate. Unfortunately, many will die from this ridiculous war. Russia will get the ports and Ukraine will end up with almost nothing, but in your world that is a win.

This is the words negotiations have come out of your month. Both parties should be negotiating, including your hero Pres. Z. The head clown in charge.

I am sure reality is starting to sink in for Pres. Z. Ukraine is in a no win situation, it will only get worse.

Exactly, either way Ukraine loses. They are being played.

November 2022.

XMan war is Hell and people die. This is what happens, both parties are guilty. These guys need to find some middle ground and reach a settlement.

The funny thing is, I have talked about negotiating and finding a solution, you and your crazy ass friends want this to continue. The world is going into a recession and Europe is about to freeze there ass off this winter, I guess this is what you wanted. All this could have been prevented.

December 2022.

Ukraine is screwed either way, so they mights well finish off Russia military, hopefully they will not get nuked in the process. 2 corrupt countries, fighting over joining an even bigger corrupt organization, NATO. When your country is destroyed, and a majority of the country is long gone, this is not a win!

February 2023.

Ukraine is being wiped out. You are losing a generation of men, maybe more. Those that are able to flee are leaving and will never return. At the end the world will turn on Pres. Z. he has. Ruined Ukraine, this is not a win.

This is a needless war. The west is using Pres. Z. , when they do not need him anymore or the war is not winnable, they will dump him.

March 2023.

You guys are dreaming that there will be a Spring Offensive from Ukraine, they are finished. I do believe that parts of the reports are true, but this guy was probably set-up by the CIA. Interesting how the media is suddenly talking about corruption in Ukraine government. Something is definitely up. The Ukraine military has done an amazing job and totally over achieved, but they are done, time negotiations, that should have happened, 13 months ago.

You guys truly live in a Fantasy world. Ukraine is done. The sooner they figure that out, many lives will be saved, we can move on, and we will avoid World War 3. Sometimes I actually believe this is what you want. You wanted a war, now we all have to deal with the consequences, and Ukraine is being destroyed, but in your liberal world this might be a win.

You will have no military left in 10 months. You guys truly are delusional.

They should have been negotiating, from a the beginning. This will end horribly for the Ukraine people and the longer this drags on the worse it will be for all parties, especially Ukraine, they are being destroyed.

April 2023.

Here is today's.

Ukraine is getting destroyed. Putin is now stronger then ever, the sanction have done nothing, but bring Russia and China closer.

You are living in dream world, stop watching crazy ass liberal media. We will have all.

The answers in the next couple of weeks.

Sorry to tell you, but Ukraine is getting it's ass kicked directly and in directly. There will be nothing left, but a broke and destroyed country. That is definitely a win, in your liberal world.

Ukraine needs to start negotiating quickly and stop listening to Biden and buddies. As Elvis said the latest stunt of flying Drones in Moscow is a big mistake. Time will tell who is correct!

And here is the winner:

You live in a fantasy world

-- addressing your opponents more than 20 times over the last year.

Fantasy world, indeed.

[Tumeric1]

You are living in dream world, stop watching crazy ass liberal media. We will have all.

The answers in the next couple of weeks.

Sorry to tell you, but Ukraine is getting it's ass kicked directly and in directly. There will be nothing left, but a broke and destroyed country. That is definitely a win, in your liberal world.

Ukraine needs to start negotiating quickly and stop listening to Biden and buddies. As Elvis said the latest stunt of flying Drones in Moscow is a big mistake.

Time will tell who is correct!

Drama, It is unclear why you persist in posting statements that appear to lack basic literacy and demonstrate a level of reasoning that is reminiscent of an eight-year-old. While there are individuals on this forum who hold varying beliefs and perspectives, your posts are notably unsophisticated and unintentionally funny. Your time would be better spend learning language (any language, for that matter, including your native) and increasing your overall level of analytical abilities by getting your hands on some elementary math textbooks.

[Elvis 2008]

I'm guessing you are here to try to persuade others that the Ukraine War is a cause we must commit to resolutely. However, I don't see you persuading. Instead, you are shouting down on someone who has been in mostly support of your posts. No one has to be in 100% agreement with your perspective to show loyalty to the Ukrainian cause.

I do think you take it too personally. So what? I don't want to here aggressive retorts that I don't care about the Russian atrocities. Or the the old social media standby "you're not answering my question" repeatedly to establish dominance over someone and the thread.

If you want to be effective at delivering your message, I would dial it down a bit. Maybe quite a bit. Let some opinions breathe without feeling compelled to suffocate anyone whose opinion doesn't conform to yours. In case you haven't noticed, this thread is the same hand full of people shouting at each other day-in and day-out on an "anonymous fuckboard."

Great post, Wyatt! Yeah, I liked JM's posts. I knew what side he was on, and I used to respect his posts and what he brought to the table. Lately, it has been personal attacks and just stupid narcissistic comments (I will decide which facts are true.).

No one knows what is really going on. The government has too much at stake to allow uncensored views of what is happening. In that way, it is like Covid. With that, I had to run to unconventional sources to get to what I considered the truth, and the same goes here.

So much of our information is censored or put forward in a way that makes the government look good. You could easily identify a liberal from 2017 on because anything in government that went wrong was Trump's fault. You could say anything about him but the lettered agencies used to be honest as the day is long. Those days are gone.

I noticed most of the cop shows had a black boss after Obama was elected, but my favorite entertainment pertaining to the government was the show Narcos. The DEA chief was canned in 2014 for among other things having agents who were fucking hookers paid by the drug cartels still at the DEA. The show Narcos skirted the payment issue but gave us DEA agents fucking hookers but it was for intelligence purposes. Yes, they were fucking hookers for our benefit! Those agents are still there by the way.

Still, I remember when the lab leak theory in April 2021 was allowed to be discussed in the press and was somehow not a racist attack on the Chinese. LOL. And now we are seeing reports that are saying Ukraine is in trouble, and those reports are not met with calls that you want to kiss Putin's ass. And FWIW, I think this kid Teixeria leaking documents had something to do with that.

[DramaFree11]

CNN (just like all other American media) quoted Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. It would take you 10 seconds to research the topic. Much less than writing that bullshit, pointless post of yours.

The only thing you're capable of is blabbering about the imminent demise of Ukraine. On and on, ad nauseum for over a year -- that's all you've been doing since the war broke out.

Pathetic!

You are living in dream world, stop watching crazy ass liberal media. We will have all.

The answers in the next couple of weeks.

Sorry to tell you, but Ukraine is getting it's ass kicked directly and in directly. There will be nothing left, but a broke and destroyed country. That is definitely a win, in your liberal world.

Ukraine needs to start negotiating quickly and stop listening to Biden and buddies. As Elvis said the latest stunt of flying Drones in Moscow is a big mistake.

Time will tell who is correct!

[VinDici]

Orc sad noises, "I am a LoZer"

Good morning, have you had your breakfast? For Muscovites, this is the MOST important meal of the day.

[Elvis 2008]

Elvis, I think the next 2-4 weeks are crucial for Ukraine military. If they can somehow mount spring offensive, (I have my doubts), they might have a chance. They have to gain some momentum quickly or they will be wiped out. Time will tell, but the media is starting to change their tune that maybe Ukraine military is starting to lose. I think we will have our answer the first week in June maybe sooner.

Yeah, I got a feeling that those who were towing the we-are-winning-in-Ukraine members of the press are hedging their bets. The latest drone attack on the Kremlin reeked of desperation.

Maybe, Biden and the allies will come to there senses at start a road to piece, but there are no signs of this happening, they just keep doubling down.

Yeah, I have been surprised Biden's crazy spending has not led to a recession yet. When that happens, even the Fed is predicting it, then the aid to Ukraine will be in jeopardy. I wonder if Ukraine has the USA's blessing to make a deal right now. I hope they do.

[Xpartan]

You guys have to stop reading and watching CNN. When is the last time they have told the truth about anything.

CNN (just like all other American media) quoted Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. It would take you 10 seconds to research the topic. Much less than writing that bullshit, pointless post of yours.

The only thing you're capable of is blabbering about the imminent demise of Ukraine. On and on, ad nauseum for over a year -- that's all you've been doing since the war broke out.

Pathetic!

[Questner]

Should you take him to Bethesda Naval Hospital, will he jump to the Dark Side from the highest floor?

[Jmsuttr]

I'm guessing you are here to try to persuade others that the Ukraine War is a cause we must commit to resolutely.

You guess wrong. I'm not trying to persuade anyone. I post facts and analyses I think are interesting and relevant and people are free to decide for themselves. Similarly, when people post narrative and opinion, dressed up as fact, I'm happy to point out facts that burst that bubble.

Either way, I frankly don't give a fuck what they believe, because the war will play out how it plays out. Oh, but I do enjoy making fun of the Putin FanBoy clique. That doesn't mean I'm trying to persuade them either, because they're immune to fact.

However, I don't see you persuading. Instead, you are shouting down on someone who has been in mostly support of your posts. No one has to be in 100% agreement with your perspective to show loyalty to the Ukrainian cause.

I don't give a fuck what you think. Especially now that you've conclusively demonstrated yourself to be morally impaired. Whether you're a moral cripple, or a moral coward, you'll have to decide for yourself. And others can read each and every moral challenge that was placed before you, and render their own judgments on your repeated evasions. I'm not trying to convince them either, the posts speak for themselves.

I do think you take it too personally. So what?

No problem. I do think you can go fuck yourself. So what?

I don't want to here aggressive retorts that I don't care about the Russian atrocities. Or the the old social media standby "you're not answering my question" repeatedly to establish dominance over someone and the thread.

If you can't stand the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen. If YOU hadn't taken it upon yourself to play the role of "school marm," lecturing me about how I should "feel," there would have been no retort. Oh, and if this is too aggressive for you, I suggest you either drag your pussy-ass somewhere else, or maybe just STFU instead of presuming to lecture others.

BTW, you'd actually be more believable if you dropped any pretense at caring, since it's glaringly obvious you don't. Someone who at least is honest about their moral indifference is better than someone who expresses pseudo-concern.

I would dial it down a bit. Maybe quite a bit. Let some opinions breathe without feeling compelled to suffocate anyone whose opinion doesn't conform to yours.

Once again, go fuck yourself. Since you've conclusively shown yourself to be a moral pygmy, pretending to care (in the oh-so-comfortable abstract), why should your second attempt at lecturing meet with anything less than the same contempt merited by the first?

In case you haven't noticed, this thread is the same hand full of people shouting at each other day-in and day-out on an "anonymous fuckboard."

In case you haven't noticed, I much prefer HONEST exchanges, even if they involve shouting, over the kind of mealy-mouthed, weasel-worded, piss-ant contributions you offer.

I'm perfectly able to deal with robust debate, even if it crosses into shouting and nastiness. And that's because I'm confident in my ability to construct sound arguments that are based on facts and evidence.

But, when someone presumes to tell me how I should feel, especially when that person has put his moral impairment on full display, then the shotgun gets loaded and the volume gets turned up. Don't like it? Tough shit. When you choose to start something, completely unsolicited and uncalled for, you choose to reap what you've sown.

BTW, I'm more than primed for another round, are you? If you think you've seen aggressive and enraged, you ain't seen nothing yet.

[WyattEarp]

Nice seeing you put Wyatt on the spot for the third time, but this "abstract" "generalized" "realpolitik" softcore isolationism occasionally seasoned with sympathy for Russian propaganda is all we've gotten from Wyatt for the last 14 months, and with little consideration to the unfolding narrative. If you've read one of his posts you've read them all, thus for the most part I've stopped reading them.

I'll add that with someone like Elvis it's direct. You know exactly what you are getting and where's he coming from. Wyatt's ad nauseam and disingenuous pseudo-intellectualism though is especially nauseating.

And yes, the Russians are war criminals. Their actions should invoke an emotional reaction from anyone with a moral conscience. Fact is though that many on the planet do not have one. Life is only viewed and lived with the aim of what pleasures they can personally get out of it. It's thus very easy and perfectly natural for them to operate in the abstract when it comes to the tribulations of other people.

Apparently Paulie, it is lost on you that you are in the International Sex Guide website on a thread called Stupid Shit in Kyiv calling another participant a pseudo-intellectual. JM seems to have self-awareness that we are on a sex forum. I believe he called it an "anonymous fuckboard".

Part of the reason the various "Stupid Shit" threads were created here was the moderators were tired of having to moderate the hyperaggressive pundits and self-proclaimed experts that routinely turn up on ISG to tell everyone how everything works and how they should think. I am doing neither. I have given my opinion on how the war might end. I just don't see how it ends in the nice, neat resolution that some others believe.

If it helps you understand the world better to divide everybody into two opposing camps with strict lines, you do what you got to do. Most Americans are pragmatic about the Ukraine war. Hope for the best, but prepare for something less might be a good way to put it. As far as this thread, I'm perfectly comfortable disagreeing with Elvis, ignoring the Russophiles and challenging JM on occasion all in a civil manner.

If you believe that the Ukrainians will push back the Russians to the pre-2014 borders including out of Crimea and the conflict will mostly be over. That is just an opinion. It could play out that way. I have simply offered an opinion, consistently I might add, that is questioning the ability to achieve an ideal outcome. That doesn't mean I don't support the Ukrainians.

You should be telling us your opinion on how the war ends. Basically, you have to write an ending. While the collapse of the Putin regime has been discussed, that is neither a political resolution the Ukrainians or the West directly control nor one they can depend on. So let's skip the personal targeting and discuss the war's progress and end.

[Jmsuttr]

Elvis, I think the next 2-4 weeks are crucial for Ukraine military. If they can somehow mount spring offensive, (I have my doubts), they might have a chance.

The 2-4 week timeline is reasonable, although weather is an important factor, as I mentioned in my response to Elvis, and that's beyond anyone's control. The last thing Ukraine will want is to start an offensive and get (literally) bogged down.

And I have no doubt that Ukraine will launch an offensive. They've announced it, and everyone (internally and externally) expects it. In anticipation they've been training troops and accumulating resources so, given the circumstances, inaction would understandably be viewed as failure.

To what degree that offensive succeeds is a different matter. That remains to be seen, although it's relevant to point out that Ukraine has demonstrated an ability to surprise.

They have to gain some momentum quickly or they will be wiped out.

Really? What's your definition of momentum? And what evidence can you present that Russia's military currently has the capacity to do any "wiping" out? With the exception of perhaps Bakhmut, which has turned into a meat-grinder attritional battle, Russia has either been going backwards or remained static. If you have sources to back up your assessment that Russia retains significant "wiped out" capability, kindly share some links.

Time will tell, but the media is starting to change their tune that maybe Ukraine military is starting to lose.

Which media, specifically? And are these fact-based stories or opinion pieces? The latter, as I've repeatedly pointed out, have mostly been wrong and are a dime a dozen.

I think we will have our answer the first week in June maybe sooner.

Again, weather-dependent but not an unreasonable timeline.

Maybe, Biden and the allies will come to there senses at start a road to piece, but there are no signs of this happening, they just keep doubling down.

The definition of peace depends on who you ask. For Russia, it means "Give us what we want, all or a significant part of Ukraine." For Ukraine it means reclaiming their 1991 borders and gaining assurances (via NATO membership or otherwise) that future aggression by Russia will be deterred. Those positions are poles apart, neither side shows any inclination to negotiate, and neither side's allies show either the ability or inclination to push either party to the negotiating table.

Among the Western allies, there are strong voices who view the conflict as being a) a continuation of Russia's 2014 aggression; b) more than simply a dispute between two states; c) likely to raise the threat level in Europe if Russian aggression is rewarded. Among those voices are (at a minimum) the Baltics, Poland, and the Nordics. And those views are so strongly held that they can't and won't be disregarded by larger allies.

Also, as far as doubling-down is concerned, it's actually quite a rational strategy if you believe you hold a winning hand. Whether or not that's the case will only be known with the benefit of hindsight.