Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Xpartan]

The Russians have sold China 25 tons of enriched uranium, so it won't be long until China becomes the third nuclear mega-player in the world.

https://eurasiantimes.com/new-chinas...riched-uranium

[Xpartan]

You will be subjugated and never again be any kind of world power. Resources plundered by the chinese, women fucked by them and men cleaning their pools.

Well, even though the days of the Russian Empire are numbered, any country with 6,000 nukes is destined to be some kind of world power, even if its future population is reduced to eating beets and shitting in outhouses.

[Jmsuttr]

https://www.reuters.com/markets/tind...30-2023-05-02/

"It's not a good look for a trusted brand to be continuing operations in a nation where the head of state has been indicted by the International Criminal Court" (real quote).

Off the record, Tinder CEO is reported to have said "It's impossible for Tinder to operate within a country that's so totally fucked!" (sarc quote).

[VinDici]

We have enough ammo to bury everyone and everything several times in a row plus a bit more.

You will be subjugated and never again be any kind of world power. Resources plundered by the chinese, women fucked by them and men cleaning their pools.

[Xpartan]

We have enough ammo to bury everyone and everything several times in a row plus a bit more. All the goals of the SMO are going to be achieved. Yes, there are and there were cases of mismanagement. With some brief interruptions mismanagement is a historical constant. It only leads to ingenuity and new levels of freedom to operate fast when needed. Don't forget we have a border and a railway into NK and have secured the military and technical agreement with PRC, an unprecedented one which has been in waiting for the long 45 years, and which can backstop any military effort. The sanctions only propel the economy forward.

Who the fuck is "We"? Do you represent Putin's government in this monger forum? Is that what "you" are?

Hey, "you" have already lost. Sanctions are working. Your economy is already in the dumpster. You've gambled everything and lost. Your citizens will soon beat the hell out of each other in bread lines. Maybe it will take a year. Maybe two, if you're lucky. But you're getting there. Fast.

Say Hi to Evgeny Prigozhin, a former rapist who was made to suck dicks in prison for his sins. That's your next emperor.

[Jmsuttr]

We have enough ammo to bury everyone and everything several times in a row plus a bit more.

"We (Wagner) have only 10-15% of the shells that we need," he said, blaming the leadership of the Russian army. He spoke in an interview with Russian pro-Kremlin war correspondent Semyon Pegov".

All the goals of the SMO are going to be achieved.

"Prigozhin said he expected a Ukrainian counterattack in mid-May. "This counteroffensive could become a tragedy for our country," he said".

The sanctions only propel the economy forward.

Except when it comes to tanks, which are being propelled backward (in time)!

https://eurasiantimes.com/russian-ta...eport-reveals/

"A recent report from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) analyzes the impact of sanctions on Russia's defense industry and its effect on the war in Ukraine".

"According to the report, Russia has lost between 1,845 to 3,511 tanks in Ukraine and is believed to hold roughly 5,000 tanks in reserve".

"This ultimately forced Russia to bring older Soviet-era tanks manufactured decades before Russia's military modernization program began in 2011".

Golly, gee! Where are all the CCP and NORK tanks?

It's highly irrelevant whatever any media posts, no one cares about it.

Is it still irrelevant when a prominent figure in the Russian war effort, Prigozhin, gives an interview to Russian media? I bet the Russian MilBloggers care, and Girkin's Angry Patriots Club. In fact, I bet they're paying close attention to every word.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/russia/art...25013_140.html

[Chicago85]

We have enough ammo to bury everyone and everything several times in a row plus a bit more..... Don't forget we have a border and a railway into NK and have secured the military and technical agreement with PRC, an unprecedented one which has been in waiting for the long 45 years, and which can backstop any military effort.....
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HOLD UP. LOL. This has to be the most hilarious straight faced satire I've ever read if you're honestly suggesting that North Korea and China will be the saviors of Russia. China is using tech from the 90's that barely works (and was stolen by the way). North Korea is using mostly tech from the 60's and has a few nuclear missiles that it can't even properly aim. Hell, the country can't even feed it's people.

I wish I could watch some of the Russian propaganda some time because these hot takes are just too much LOL.

[Jmsuttr]

Well, there was absolute certainty and that was the point. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l.../PIIS0140-6736(20) 30418-9/ fulltext.

"We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. ".

The whole point of the exercise was not to debate Covid but debunk JM and his ridiculous notion of corroboration as fact. These "scientists" corroborated Covid could not possibly come from a lab which was ridiculous. Facts are facts. You do not need ten people to agree with you that two and two are four.

Furthermore, JM has this black and white perception of the world. With Covid, I think it is around 98% that it came from a lab and there were rumors that animals that were infected with Covid by the lab were sold to the wet market. Apparently, Chinese lab techs are not well paid. Of course, no one will admit to that now.

Based on the facts as put out, I would put it as 99% now that the information leaked about Ukraine was true and the same with the USA blowing up the Nordstrom pipeline. I think what people do not get is how hard it is to write something like Hersh did with the pipeline and get all the facts right. If he got one wrong, the USA government would have jumped him, but they disputed nothing factually. Their responses to both the leak and Hersh's article were weak. What may change my mind is new information not hit jobs on the people bringing us the facts.

You keep talking about Hersh's "facts," but all they amount to are unverified claims, nothing more.

If you can point to a third party who has verified any of Hersh's claims, please do so. Otherwise, it's mere narrative. In fact, why doesn't Hersh himself point out examples of verification? If there are any out there, he'd be in the best position to know. Has he followed up with anything that highlights points of verification? If so, I haven't seen it. So what we're left with is Hersh's word, and only HIS word.

― Serious accusations demand serious evidence, right? Here's a thought experiment for you:

1. You've been accused of a serious crime, let's use murder for this example.

2. A very persuasive witness testifies for the prosecution, with a HIGH level of detail, about all the "facts" that point to you as the murderer.

3. The witness refuses to answer any cross-examination questions. Furthermore, the witness characterizes any questions as a personal attack.

4. The prosecution fails to present any other witnesses, or any other pieces of evidence, that would tend to validate the single witness's account. AND, here's an interesting twist, the prosecutor and the witness are the SAME person!

5. In the jury deliberation room, Juror 1 says "Wow, that witness was really persuasive and he had a LOT of detailed facts". Juror 2 says "Wait a minute. These are serious charges, and all we have is the unverified testimony of a single witness. I need more than that".

Question: Both jurors have been nominated to be the foreperson of the jury that will decide your fate. Which one would you prefer?

P.S. While you obviously believe that failing to issue some kind of point-by-point rebuttal amounts to an admission that Hersh's story is true, others would likely see such a rebuttal in a much different way. "Hey! The US govt wouldn't issue such a specific rebuttal if there wasn't something there".

So, since there's a definite possibility that anything beyond a flat denial could be turned into a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" double-edged sword, what would be the point of going down that road?

https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...tream-sabotage

Note: NOTHING in any of the above means that I'm not open to the possibility that the US bombed the pipeline, or was involved in it. But only verifiable facts can back up that serious accusation, not someone's personal narrative.

[Questner]

So I wrote before about the Polish general and Republican Congressman warning about the limitations on how many more weapons could be given to the Ukrainians.

Well, here are ones on Russia and its limitations:

Iranian drones used by Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToagLbv0140

Russia trying to buy arms from Egypt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxvCENNuDcc

So when you look at it, both sides are having a hard time securing arms.

Thing is Russia was #2 in the world in arms sales: https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/arms_exports/.

It does make you wonder why Russia is scrambling for arms so much. Is their arms industry being mismanaged? Hurt by sanctions? Or both?

We have enough ammo to bury everyone and everything several times in a row plus a bit more. All the goals of the SMO are going to be achieved. Yes, there are and there were cases of mismanagement. With some brief interruptions mismanagement is a historical constant. It only leads to ingenuity and new levels of freedom to operate fast when needed. Don't forget we have a border and a railway into NK and have secured the military and technical agreement with PRC, an unprecedented one which has been in waiting for the long 45 years, and which can backstop any military effort. The sanctions only propel the economy forward.

It's highly irrelevant whatever any media posts, no one cares about it. Here is a recent example of such nonsense:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...crimea/673781/

Here is some really scary stuff (with one Secretary of Hate burning in hell):

[Jmsuttr]

On the Covid lab leak theory.

Recent senate report is Republican partisan, and even they admit it's inconclusive. There's simply no room for cocksuredness on this one.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/new-re...ry?id=98656740

"While their investigation concedes that "both hypotheses are plausible," the nearly 300-page document released by the minority on the Senate health subcommittee makes a circumstantial case that the "PREPONDERANCE of circumstantial evidence" points to "an unintentional research-related incident" -- an undetected aerosol leak -- likely at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), as the first spark which would ultimately ignite the pandemic" (emphasis added).

I responded separately to your longer post, but one additional point is that my initial response to Elvis was for the specific purpose of debunking his argument about Hersh, corroboration, etc. He brought up the COVID issue, not me. And the points I made about the flaws in the narrative he cited were not intended as a comprehensive defense of the lab-leak hypothesis, or anything other than popping his Hersh-bubble.

Demonstrating that a particular narrative is flawed, and citing points that favor an alternative narrative, is NOT the same as asserting a definitive conclusion about either narrative. Here's a direct quote from my response:

"As a consequence, from early on I doubted "natural origin" and LEANED TOWARD the lab-created theory. And, as is my general practice, I refused to jump to conclusions and patiently waited for more facts to surface. " (emphasis added).

As the article you posted clearly shows, more facts are surfacing with the passage of time. I'm persuaded solely by evidence and facts, full stop. As things stand right now, the PREPONDERANCE of that evidence leans toward the lab-leak hypothesis, which is why I LEAN TOWARD that position. If new evidence surfaces, I'll be happy to consider it.

If there's anything about which I'm "cocksure," it's my ability to sort through what's presented as evidence and separate the wheat from the chaff.

Any questions?

[Jmsuttr]

Recently in an interview held in a shelter-basement type of a bunker, Zed has admitted to carrying a handgun. Is it a plastic pocket clown howitzer or a Walter with a dong attached to a barrel, we don't know. Folks report fewer and fever Napoleons in Ukraine's asylums, a sign of failure of the education system. Lunatics just haven't ever heard about the emperor's life.

"When vejk subsequently described life in the lunatic asylum, he did so in exceptionally eulogistic terms: 'I really don't know why those loonies get so angry when they're kept there. You can crawl naked on the floor, howl like a jackal, rage and bite. If anyone did this anywhere on the promenade people would be astonished, but there it's the most common or garden thing to do. There's a freedom there which not even Socialists have ever dreamed of. ".

― Jaroslav Haek, The Good Soldier vejk.

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe...71617f08f5959b

Reports are that his KGB babysitters couldn't bring themselves to touch him, so they took turns trying to clean him off with water pistols!

― Jaroslav Jokester, The Good Jester vejk.

[Jmsuttr]

You're really swaggering around on this one. LOL Peer reviewed analysis from SARS-2 positive swabs collected from the Wuhan wet market in the early days of the pandemic show the presence of DNA from susceptible animal species. And this is based on a recently released peer reviewed study conducted by international researchers.

https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#. ZE6749 rMJPY.

Also SARS-2 has been discovered in animals many times.

https://www.fao.org/animal-health/si...-in-animals/en

Of course none of that will take any dedicated conspiracy theorist or Chinophobe off their soap box, but it might inspire someone like yourself to approach this one with some of the same humility you display when it comes to predicting the outcome of the war in Ukraine. This one is inconclusive.

Your hypothesis falls short for at least two reasons:

1. The lab-leak hypothesis, as I understand it, postulates that viral genetic sequences taken from animals, such as the ones being researched at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, were manipulated in ways that made them more infectious to humans. That's not inconsistent with the content of your two articles.

A) Your first article has this title: "Genetic evidence of susceptible wildlife in SARS-CoV-2 positive samples at the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market, Wuhan: Analysis and interpretation of data released by the Chinese Center for Disease Control". And this quote: "Our analysis of these data found that genetic evidence of MULTIPLE animal species was present in locations of the market where SARS-CoV-2 positive environmental samples had been collected".

B) Your second article opens with this passage: "Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2): A virus that is spreading globally through human-to-human transmission, but has also demonstrated ability to infect MULTIPLE animal species". "with spillover potential from one animal species to another".

C) Both articles, together and separately, make the point that several species of animals are susceptible to either human-to-animal or animal-to-animal transmission of SARS-COV2. Neither article makes the claim that they've pinpointed the source of the original strain. In fact, the specific use of the word "MULTIPLE" (emphasis added, here and above) is a clear indication that the phenomenon they're describing is necessarily one that occurred AFTER the point of origin. Neither article makes the claim, nor do they pretend to do so, that they've definitively proved the animal origin hypothesis OR that they've pinpointed the likely (single) candidate for the species of origin.

2. Re your second article: When you pull back the curtain on the authoritative "Peer Reviewed" label, there's a major fly in the ointment:

A) "We acknowledge that these circumstances are unusual. We are proponents of open data sharing, and ensuring that data from our analyses are broadly accessible in public repositories is our standard practice. Although our colleagues at the CCDC have stated their intention to share these raw sequence data to support the publication currently undergoing review, they remain inaccessible through GISAID at the time of writing".

B) In layman's language, China refuses to share the data and we have no idea if they ever will. So, not sure exactly what "peer reviewed" means, in this context, but they admit that the data itself is being withheld. If the data isn't available for independent review, what exactly were the "peers" looking at?

C) Which begs the question, if the data is favorable to the animal origin hypothesis, and if that hypothesis is favorable to China, why are they withholding it?

To be clear, I'm perfectly open to being persuaded either way. But, so far, the animal-origin narrative has been mostly full of Sound and Fury (signifying nothing).

Here's an example of what I would view as convincing evidence: A bat (or numerous bats) were captured from their natural habitat (near Wuhan, or wherever). Samples were taken, genetic sequences analyzed, and the ORIGINAL (or very close variant) SARS-COV2 strain was detected. Here are our findings, published online for all to evaluate for themselves.

Has anything even close to that happened? Nope, it hasn't. China would be the CLEAR beneficiary. China has MORE than enough resources. But, here we are a few years after the onset of the pandemic, and all that's coming out of China is the sound of crickets.

[Elvis 2008]

So I wrote before about the Polish general and Republican Congressman warning about the limitations on how many more weapons could be given to the Ukrainians.

Well, here are ones on Russia and its limitations:

Iranian drones used by Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToagLbv0140

Russia trying to buy arms from Egypt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxvCENNuDcc

So when you look at it, both sides are having a hard time securing arms.

Thing is Russia was #2 in the world in arms sales: https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/arms_exports/.

It does make you wonder why Russia is scrambling for arms so much. Is their arms industry being mismanaged? Hurt by sanctions? Or both?

[Elvis 2008]

On the Covid lab leak theory.
Recent senate report is Republican partisan, and even they admit it's inconclusive. There's simply no room for cocksuredness on this one.

Well, there was absolute certainty and that was the point. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l.../PIIS0140-6736(20) 30418-9/ fulltext.

"We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. ".

The whole point of the exercise was not to debate Covid but debunk JM and his ridiculous notion of corroboration as fact. These "scientists" corroborated Covid could not possibly come from a lab which was ridiculous. Facts are facts. You do not need ten people to agree with you that two and two are four.

Furthermore, JM has this black and white perception of the world. With Covid, I think it is around 98% that it came from a lab and there were rumors that animals that were infected with Covid by the lab were sold to the wet market. Apparently, Chinese lab techs are not well paid. Of course, no one will admit to that now.

Based on the facts as put out, I would put it as 99% now that the information leaked about Ukraine was true and the same with the USA blowing up the Nordstrom pipeline. I think what people do not get is how hard it is to write something like Hersh did with the pipeline and get all the facts right. If he got one wrong, the USA government would have jumped him, but they disputed nothing factually. Their responses to both the leak and Hersh's article were weak. What may change my mind is new information not hit jobs on the people bringing us the facts.

[Paulie97]

On the Covid lab leak theory.

Recent senate report is Republican partisan, and even they admit it's inconclusive. There's simply no room for cocksuredness on this one.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/new-re...ry?id=98656740