Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Elvis 2008]

Anyone can claim whatever they want. Without verification those claims will never qualify as facts.

Therefore, my claim that you're the source of the highly questionable (same exact phrase, 20 years apart from different people, really?) "goat fuck" quotes is every bit as valid as any of Hersh's claims. No independent verification? No problem! Are his "sources" confidential? Well, so are mine. Lots of juicy detail? Hey, just stay tuned for the bombshell details that will be disclosed at www.elvisthegoatfucker.com (it'll be a doozy)!


I'm not pushing any particular narrative because, as I've stated repeatedly, I choose to reserve judgment until more verified facts (not mere claims) come to light. Of the various alternative possibilities, things aren't trending particularly well for your preferred narrative.

P. P.S. Facts are neither Democrat or Republican. They rest securely on the foundation of verified evidence.

You are boring me and everyone else. This is the Democratic douche defense. I gave you the link to Hersh's article and asked you to point out one thing he got wrong. You rambled on about some bullshit with regards to what constitutes a fact and what does not and then you personally attacked me.

Then you double down on the same Russian ships near the pipeline bullshit.

The fact is that the Nordstream pipeline was blown up. Hersh wrote a great article about the USA doing it. And I pointed out how it benefitted the USA to the tune of billions and even trillions of dollars. The evidence looks very strong the USA with the help of European nations blew up the pipeline.

You disregard all of that and say there were Russians ships in the area which is so meaningless that it actually adds to the likelihood the USA did it as it is the weakest alterative to the USA doing the deed.

So let's make it personal with you. If it makes Russia look badly, JM, that is a fact for you, and anything that makes Ukraine and its allies look badly is not a fact and should be disputed. So you can stop with the lectures. We all know how you are now.

You are like Eihtooms, AKA Bagdad Bob, of the politics forum. Every post he makes is some version of Dems good, Republicans bad.

[Gopnik]

These last few days watching the RuZZians running away and leaving equipment behind have been an absolute joy.

Not to mention how they leave their dead behind to fertilize the Ukrainian Earth!

[VinDici]

Orc grunting noises

These last few days watching the RuZZians running away and leaving equipment behind have been an absolute joy.

[Jmsuttr]

https://dnyuz.com/2023/04/27/russian...-tank-engines/

"The Kommersant newspaper reported that Colonel Alexander Denisov is accused of stealing seven V-92 S2 engines worth 20.5 million roubles (around 200,000) between November 2021 and April 2022".

"In 2019, two other Russian army officers were convicted of a similar theft".

Ah, Russian institutionalized corruption, the gift that keeps on giving!

[Jmsuttr]

You do not know if Hersh has one or many sources. You just think your Democratic douche fact check is a source.

Of course, you have not read the article. No shock there. You did not even try to find it. Here it is: https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/...he-nord-stream.

And here is a quotation of the story:

The Norwegian navy was quick to find the right spot, in the shallow waters of the Baltic sea a few miles off Denmark's Bornholm Island. The pipelines ran more than a mile apart along a seafloor that was only 260 feet deep. That would be well within the range of the divers, who, operating from a Norwegian Alta class mine hunter, would dive with a mixture of oxygen, nitrogen and helium streaming from their tanks, and plant shaped C4 charges on the four pipelines with concrete protective covers. It would be tedious, time consuming and dangerous work, but the waters off Bornholm had another advantage: there were no major tidal currents, which would have made the task of diving much more difficult.

After a bit of research, the Americans were all in.

At this point, the Navy's obscure deep-diving group in Panama City once again came into play. The deep-sea schools at Panama City, whose trainees participated in Ivy Bells, are seen as an unwanted backwater by the elite graduates of the Naval Academy in Annapolis, who typically seek the glory of being assigned as a Seal, fighter pilot, or submariner. If one must become a "Black Shoe"that is, a member of the less desirable surface ship commandthere is always at least duty on a destroyer, cruiser or amphibious ship. The least glamorous of all is mine warfare. Its divers never appear in Hollywood movies, or on the cover of popular magazines.

End of link. There are a lot of facts there, and not one was disputed.

And for someone who claims to be making statements based on facts, you are just a Democratic douche type who swears anything on CNN and MSNBC is fact and anything on Fox is not.

If you weren't such a loser, you would have taken on Hirsch's article versus insulting me.

Anyone can claim whatever they want. Without verification those claims will never qualify as facts.

Therefore, my claim that you're the source of the highly questionable (same exact phrase, 20 years apart from different people, really?) "goat fuck" quotes is every bit as valid as any of Hersh's claims. No independent verification? No problem! Are his "sources" confidential? Well, so are mine. Lots of juicy detail? Hey, just stay tuned for the bombshell details that will be disclosed at www.elvisthegoatfucker.com (it'll be a doozy)!

P.S. Most of the links I've posted have been those that set forth verifiable facts, such as reports of Russian ships being photographed in the area of the explosion. I don't believe I've posted ANYTHING (Dem douche or otherwise) that seeks to directly fact check Hersh's NordStream story. I did post a link to a critic who pointed out problems with PREVIOUS stories, and discussed how those past issues give rise to credibility questions. Your bogus assertion is therefore a pathetic straw-man argument. Nice try!

But I'm glad you brought it up, because here's a new story describing one of the photographed Russian ships as having mini-submarine capabilities.

https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1651699036607447046

https://www.information.dk/indland/2...aengningspunkt

I'm not pushing any particular narrative because, as I've stated repeatedly, I choose to reserve judgment until more verified facts (not mere claims) come to light. Of the various alternative possibilities, things aren't trending particularly well for your preferred narrative.

P. P.S. Facts are neither Democrat or Republican. They rest securely on the foundation of verified evidence.

[Xpartan]

You do not know if Hersh has one or many sources. You just think your Democratic douche fact check is a source.

End of link. There are a lot of facts there, and not one was disputed.

And for someone who claims to be making statements based on facts, you are just a Democratic douche type who swears anything on CNN and MSNBC is fact and anything on Fox is not.

Here you go. The recap of a BS "article" and two Elvis' signature "douches" in one post. Good job!

[Paulie97]

You're substituting a more abstract and generalized view in lieu of the very specific question presented to you.

Nice seeing you put Wyatt on the spot for the third time, but this "abstract" "generalized" "realpolitik" softcore isolationism occasionally seasoned with sympathy for Russian propaganda is all we've gotten from Wyatt for the last 14 months, and with little consideration to the unfolding narrative. If you've read one of his posts you've read them all, thus for the most part I've stopped reading them.

I'll add that with someone like Elvis it's direct. You know exactly what you are getting and where's he coming from. Wyatt's ad nauseam and disingenuous pseudo-intellectualism though is especially nauseating.

And yes, the Russians are war criminals. Their actions should invoke an emotional reaction from anyone with a moral conscience. Fact is though that many on the planet do not have one. Life is only viewed and lived with the aim of what pleasures they can personally get out of it. It's thus very easy and perfectly natural for them to operate in the abstract when it comes to the tribulations of other people.

[Elvis 2008]

Since you're so eager to believe unverified anonymous info, here's some more for you to swallow

You do not know if Hersh has one or many sources. You just think your Democratic douche fact check is a source.

Of course, you have not read the article. No shock there. You did not even try to find it. Here it is: https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/...he-nord-stream.

And here is a quotation of the story:

The Norwegian navy was quick to find the right spot, in the shallow waters of the Baltic sea a few miles off Denmark's Bornholm Island. The pipelines ran more than a mile apart along a seafloor that was only 260 feet deep. That would be well within the range of the divers, who, operating from a Norwegian Alta class mine hunter, would dive with a mixture of oxygen, nitrogen and helium streaming from their tanks, and plant shaped C4 charges on the four pipelines with concrete protective covers. It would be tedious, time consuming and dangerous work, but the waters off Bornholm had another advantage: there were no major tidal currents, which would have made the task of diving much more difficult.

After a bit of research, the Americans were all in.

At this point, the Navy's obscure deep-diving group in Panama City once again came into play. The deep-sea schools at Panama City, whose trainees participated in Ivy Bells, are seen as an unwanted backwater by the elite graduates of the Naval Academy in Annapolis, who typically seek the glory of being assigned as a Seal, fighter pilot, or submariner. If one must become a "Black Shoe"that is, a member of the less desirable surface ship commandthere is always at least duty on a destroyer, cruiser or amphibious ship. The least glamorous of all is mine warfare. Its divers never appear in Hollywood movies, or on the cover of popular magazines.

End of link. There are a lot of facts there, and not one was disputed.

And for someone who claims to be making statements based on facts, you are just a Democratic douche type who swears anything on CNN and MSNBC is fact and anything on Fox is not.

If you weren't such a loser, you would have taken on Hirsch's article versus insulting me.

[Xpartan]

Vladimir Solovyov, an anchor on the Russia 1 channel, urged Carlson to "come join us," writing on his Telegram channel: "you don't have to be afraid of taking the p*** out of Biden here." Another message signed by his team on the nightly show said that the U.S. mainstream media "has lost its last remaining voice of reason."

"You have our admiration and support in any endeavor," it said in English, "be it running for president of the United States (which you should totally do, by the way) or making an independent media project."

https://www.newsweek.com/carlson-rus...x-news-1796512

I think Tucker should totally go work for Russia -- overtly, this time.

[Jmsuttr]

Duh, let's not get into details about the modified version of AA-13 Axehead. Today everyone asked about what was in common between Zed and Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor of China. Of course, both to share their funeral terracotta warriors. Trying to flush the drive of the image of schnorring Z, here's a nice triptych:

Since Putin will be sucking it, no matter what, details really don't matter.

Except, of course, if Putin sucks it three times in a row. Would that then be characterized as a nice trip-dyck?

Oh, and Putin should count himself lucky that he's servicing Xi rather than Emperor Wun Fat Dong!

[Questner]

Duh, let's not get into details about the modified version of AA-13 Axehead. Today everyone asked about what was in common between Zed and Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor of China. Of course, both to share their funeral terracotta warriors. Trying to flush the drive of the image of schnorring Z, here's a nice triptych:

[Jmsuttr]

You can frame the war as a black and white moral question. That's important. I can abhor the Russian atrocities and at the same time think about what the practical resolution to the hostilities might look like.

I am not criticizing Xpartan's post that followed your post, but it highlights the dilemma in thinking the United States and the West can fight every moral battle on the planet. The list he notes is long "Saudis, China, Venezuela and a litany of other "bad hombres" from Haiti to the "Stans". I could add some countries to that list, but that's not the point. The point is the you. S, and its European allies will support the cause of freedom and human rights. They will support those fighting tyranny and aggression. However, there will be accommodations with evil as there has been since 1945.

You made a comment that, in your opinion, I'm taking the war too personally. The primary thrust of my response was NOT directed at the war, in a generalized sense, but rather at a SPECIFIC incident that I assert was an act of pure evil. And I asked you directly for your reaction to that specific act.

You can frame the war as a black and white moral question.

You're substituting a more abstract and generalized view in lieu of the very specific question presented to you.

I am not criticizing Xpartan's post that followed your post, but

Why are you commenting about Xpartan's post in your response to mine? Whether or not you intended it, the only purpose this passage served was either as filler (kindest interpretation) or as misdirection (less kind interpretation), both of which allowed you to side-step answering the specific question posed to you.

Can you find the frankness needed to answer a simple question with an equally simple answer? Fuck the war, in its generalized and abstract sense, and fuck Realpolitik and similar issues. So, let's try this again. Will the third time be a charm, or a strikeout?

"Here's a video interview of a Wagner mercenary who has returned to Russia from fighting in Ukraine. In the interview, he states (among other disclosures) that he was given explicit orders to kill civilians, including children. In one graphic passage, he talks about shooting a girl who was about 5 or 6 years of age. He killed her with a shot to the head.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...13152414732288

Here's my challenge to you: Can you describe, in a simple single sentence, your reaction as a moral being to this (IMO) quintessential example of evil?

Please don't do yourself a disservice by engaging in some (for this particular moral issue) detached pundit-style discussion of a geopolitical or policy topic. It's a simple question that begs an equally simple answer".

To sum up, the ENTIRETY of this post deals solely with asking whether or not you would call the willful shooting of an innocent, defenseless young girl, an evil act.

If your moral compass says yes, then you've answered the question about why I have strong personal feelings.

If you can't (or won't) answer, or continue to seek refuge in "big picture"/ geopolitical / abstract concepts, that will be a profoundly disappointing development.

[WyattEarp]

I too believe Putin was always going to attack, but I don't think he was looking for excuses. His excuses are ridiculous, clumsy and, quite frankly, insane. I think he attacked when he got to believe that his army was ready and Ukraine would fall apart the moment his tanks cross the border...........

I agree with you that Putin was always going to attack the Ukraine. He believed his army was ready and it would be an easy victory.

I kind of think $100 a barrel oil early last year got Putin thinking he had the West in a precarious state. The West's need for oil and gas would outweigh its principle. Of course, it hasn't worked out that way. In Putin's mind, the timing was perfect.

[WyattEarp]

My last post dealt directly with your comment that I'm taking things too personally. In response I stated that, aside from all the analysis and reasoning about geopolitical and battlefield outcomes, there is a distinct and separate moral dimension that needs to be considered and addressed. And it's that dimension that explains my personal feelings of revulsion and outrage.

So, lets try this a second time, shall we? Here's a video interview of a Wagner mercenary who has returned to Russia from fighting in Ukraine. In the interview, he states (among other disclosures) that he was given explicit orders to kill civilians, including children. In one graphic passage, he talks about shooting a girl who was about 5 or 6 years of age. He killed her with a shot to the head.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...13152414732288

Here's my challenge to you: Can you describe, in a simple single sentence, your reaction as a moral being to this (IMO) quintessential example of evil?

Please don't do yourself a disservice by engaging in some (for this particular moral issue) detached pundit-style discussion of a geopolitical or policy topic. It's a simple question that begs an equally simple answer.

Here's the bottom-line, IMO: Nobody knows how the war will end. Maybe Russia wins completely, maybe Ukraine wins completely, or maybe it'll be something in the middle. But that has NOTHING to do with recognizing evil when it's being perpetrated..

You can frame the war as a black and white moral question. That's important. I can abhor the Russian atrocities and at the same time think about what the practical resolution to the hostilities might look like.

I am not criticizing Xpartan's post that followed your post, but it highlights the dilemma in thinking the United States and the West can fight every moral battle on the planet. The list he notes is long "Saudis, China, Venezuela and a litany of other "bad hombres" from Haiti to the "Stans". I could add some countries to that list, but that's not the point. The point is the you. S, and its European allies will support the cause of freedom and human rights. They will support those fighting tyranny and aggression. However, there will be accommodations with evil as there has been since 1945.

[VinDici]

'And the LORD said unto Vatniks, why are you so fucking stupid?

I heard your brave leaders have been sending their sons to the front.