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04-23-23 18:34 #1967
Posts: 323Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
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04-23-23 17:00 #1966
Posts: 516Problem: Which are ubermenschen and which are untermenschen?
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
And, no matter the country in which the parents decided to settle, any children would be "half-breeds," with all the negatives that inevitably accompany that status. The problem with ubermenschen is that they place a high value on the purity of the bloodline, which doesn't make for a hospitable attitude toward mutts.
Which means, if the parents (or parent) moves to a third country (assuming they can), then they won't be doing anything to help either Russia's or China's demographic problem. Same thing if the child leaves when they're older and on their own. I guess it's an occupational hazard for any "Master Race" that they either eliminate or alienate any who don't meet their purity standards.
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04-23-23 16:56 #1965
Posts: 2794Originally Posted by GDreams [View Original Post]
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04-23-23 08:04 #1964
Posts: 689Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
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04-23-23 05:53 #1963
Posts: 516Q: Why won't the cowardly clown engage in direct debate?
Originally Posted by Questner [View Original Post]
I responded directly to your bogus assertions with clear evidence that debunks any so-called claim of Russia over Crimea. The full post isn't very far down the page, so it's obvious that you chose to ignore, rather than address it. That's a clear mark of cowardice AND a tacit admission that you're unable to refute the facts presented. As to those facts, here's a short excerpt:
Russia OFFICIALLY recognized Ukrainian independence in August 1991.If Russia had any territorial claims to make, or any objection to the referendum being held in Crimea, or the Donbas, that was the time to raise the issue. All the events of 1991 detailed above are conclusive evidence that Crimea, Donbas, and ALL the territory of the Ukraine SSR, were considered part of the newly independent Ukraine. And that fact was officially recognized by Russia, Ukraine itself, and the world at large.In 1997 two treaties were signed between Ukraine and Russia. One was the "Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet," and the other was the "Russian-Ukrainian Friendship Treaty" In neither of those treaties did Russia seek to exert a claim on Crimea or any other area.Two additional points re 1997:
1. As part of the Friendship Treaty, BOTH nations recognized the inviolability of EXISTING borders. And those borders included Crimea + Donbas as part of Ukraine (see 1991).
2. As part of the Black Sea Fleet Status Treaty, by agreeing to pay Ukraine for the lease of the naval base at Sevastopol, Russia explicitly recognized it as sovereign Ukrainian territory. They, Russia, were leasing from the owner, Ukraine.
I could go on, but there's no need.
Here's an interesting question I'm sure the forum would find fascinating: Are you the kind of coward who, when confronted, pisses himself in public? Or are you the kind of coward who slinks off to his hole and pisses himself in private?
I'm guessing you're the second kind. Maybe we should start a forum poll, eh? Or maybe it doesn't even matter, 'cause either way you're still a cowardly self-pisser.
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04-23-23 05:27 #1962
Posts: 516You have zero facts to back up your narrative.
Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
You claim Ukraine is done, but you have no factual basis for that statement. Ukraine continues to fight and continues to amass battlefield assets from Western allies.
If Ukraine was truly "done," as you claim, then Russia would have already won (defined as taking and holding additional territory) or would be in the process of visibly winning. There are zero objective facts to support that position.
Not only has Russia been pushed back from territory they previously held, but even their singular push to capture one city (Bakhmut) has languished for almost 10 months.
While I don't have a crystal ball as to the eventual outcome, the CURRENT state of affairs blows your thesis out of the water. You really should take your cracked crystall ball to the repair shop.
P.S. I guess in your preferred fantasy world, you've forgotten that Putin gave the order to start the war. Nobody forced him, and neither Ukraine or NATO posed any credible threat. So, either Putin is somebody's puppet or else he's 100% responsible for starting the war.
P. P.S. Russia is the uber-corrupt kleptocracy of all time. Any corruption that plagued, or plagues, Ukraine is a product of their time in the USSR. It will take years to root out, but membership in the EU is a key motivator and Ukraine is taking positive steps. This isn't optional for them, because survival requires EU (and NATO) membership and anti-corruption measures (real, not window dressing) are required before membership will be considered or granted. Russia, meanwhile, continues in a corrupt death spiral that will end up with them becoming nothing more a larger version of North Korea. An isolated pariah state. Good riddance!
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04-23-23 02:23 #1961
Posts: 1315Today Russia has got her own KKK, namely Kaliningrad Region, Kuril Islands and Krim (Crimea) as the most fortified and strategic regions of the country. Would you expect to cede Hawaii to Chinese, San Diego to Mexico and Chesapeake Bay to, let's say, the British? Nope. How successful would Mexico be in retaking control of Texas should we supply it with tanks, ammunition and finance the conflict? Nonsense, it would never happen. So, how do you think Crimea is different? The thing that had pissed the agencies in the West was the secrecy, the boldness and the swiftness of the 2014 operation which was achieved without even one round shot and almost with complete support of the local population.
The other important distinction was the decision in Moscow to support the region, the administration and the people who opposed the right wing nationalistic coup, but at the same not to extend the same support in other regions of Ukraine, where the opposition and resistance to the coup was ultimately defeated by all known dictatorial means. In the recent interview the Russian President admitted that the country in that time was not ready to offer such support on one hand, and relied on the process of negotiations on the other.
'The Crimea is ours and always will be' - the WWII poster below.
'Ours' meaning of course Russian belonging to the people of Crimea. Ukrainians, Russians, Crimean Tatars, Greeks etc. But not to Germany, Britain, Poland, France, Turkey or any other country.
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04-23-23 02:15 #1960
Posts: 1955Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
Also I think it was you who reported official Chinese dating commercials on Russian TV. I don't know if China would easily let children of Chinese citizens leave the country.
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04-22-23 23:51 #1959
Posts: 516Russia and China: Long-term negative demographic outlook.
While the war has obviously received the lion's share of recent attention, other significant developments are flying under the radar. One of these is demographics, specifically the negative trends seen in both Russia and China.
https://english.elpais.com/opinion/t...inas-ages.html
China is obviously dealing with the effects of their one child policy, which is no longer in place. They're struggling to reverse those effects, but that's a topic better addressed in a separate post (and perhaps even in a different forum).
What's more relevant here is the situation Russia is facing. In addition to an already low birthrate, they're experiencing an out-migration of a significant number of men and women, as well as the untimely deaths of military-age males. In fact, the article quotes another publication (The Economist) as saying "A demographic tragedy is unfolding in Russia. Over the past three years the country has lost around two million more people than it would ordinarily have done, as a result of war, disease and exodus. The life expectancy of Russian males aged 15 fell by almost five years, to the same level as in Haiti".
Of course, the Soviets lost millions of men in WW-II, but the USSR was larger than Russia and the birthrate was higher. A low birthrate might possibly be addressed by inward migration, but (IMO) Putin's Russia and Xi's China are not exactly first-choice destinations for most migrants. So, unless things change, China's problems will likely continue along their current course while Russia's problems will very likely accelerate.
One possibility is, since there's an excess of Chinese men over women (one child policy effects), for Russian women to mate with Chinese men. While that might produce more children, it creates a new set of problems. In which country will those children live? Also, if they're half-Russian and half-Chinese, will either country fully accept them? And, if they don't feel fully accepted in Russia or China, what's to keep them from going somewhere else?
A French philosopher (Comte) is quoted as saying "Demography is destiny". That's rather ominous as it's hard to see much in the way of effective solutions on the horizon for Russia or China. BTW, none of this is meant to downplay the demographic challenges facing many Western countries. Those certainly exist, but in many cases they're (at least partially) offset by immigration.
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04-22-23 20:01 #1958
Posts: 2794Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
Ukraine military has out performed every ones expectations, but they are done and the support from their allies is slowing down. If there government was not so corrupt who knows what might have happened, but they always have to cheat, lie and steal. You guys watch CNN and All the other crap networks. The sad part is your actually believe there Crap.
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04-22-23 07:49 #1957
Posts: 1955Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
It's really not a matter of choice to Ukrainians if they don't want to repeat the same mistakes they made in 2014.
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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04-21-23 22:06 #1956
Posts: 516Legal vs Practical + a proposed strategy for retaking Crimea
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
With respect to referendum insufficiency (or irregularity), I find that argument wholly unpersuasive. As I recall, there were international observers so, as long as standards for fair elections were met, the turnout was what it was and the results were what they were. It was a binary "stay or leave" choice and almost 55% (in Crimea) voted to leave. From 1991 to 1997, Russia had ample opportunity to raise this issue and, to my knowledge, they didn't. The 1997 treaty re the inviolability of the existing borders effectively puts that issue to rest. And it's also noteworthy that not even the Russians are advancing any kind of independence referendum-centric argument.
With respect to the historic connection argument, that's not only unpersuasive but it's flat-out hogwash. Did they fight in Crimea? Sure, so what? How many times has the Alsace-Lorraine region changed hands? How many pieces of European (and elsewhere) territory once belonged to other countries? Hell, by the connection-language-ethnicity argument, Switzerland should be carved up and divided between France, Germany, and Italy. And which parts of the former Austro-Hungarian empire need to be rejiggered? Lots of battles fought, and blood spilled, in those areas.
And, getting back to Russia, they could equally claim that they fought for territory that is now part of the Baltics, or one of the 'Stan countries, etc. In fact, it's that very fear that accounts for the high level of Ukraine support from countries on Russia's western border. At some point lines have to be drawn and, in Ukraine's case, those lines were clearly drawn (and explicitly recognized by Russia and the world) in 1991 and 1997. So, in view of the above facts, I would assert that Ukraine's claim to Crimea is indisputable.
However, as you noted, legal doesn't always = practical. And the conventional methods of militarily retaking Ukraine are definitely daunting and problematic. There is, however, at least one alternative that holds out some promising potential. And it's the strategy laid out by LT. Gen. (ret) Ben Hodges, former commander of US forces in Europe.
https://www.rand.org/blog/2023/04/wh...-might-be.html
If Ukraine mounts an offensive that effectively blocks the land route to Crimea, and knocks out the Kerch Strait bridge, they can make it damn difficult (if not impossible) for Russia to maintain a military presence on the peninsula. See the article for more specifics. But the basic point is that a conventional land campaign isn't necessarily required. How the war develops over the next few months will tell us a lot.
P.S. I highly doubt Ukraine will hold another referendum in Crimea. Why should they? The only country disputing Ukrainian sovereignty is Russia, and they can go fuck themselves. The referendum was held valid from 1991 to 1997 (when Russia recognized the borders), and through the 2014 invasion, and to present day (among the vast majority of countries). Why give in to the endless do-over demands of the losers? Scottish independence lost by 44.7-55.3, and Brexit won by 52-48. Do-overs? Fuhgeddaboudit! You lost, deal with it and move on.
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04-21-23 16:08 #1955
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
No one knows how a peace settlement will look or how lasting it will be. Perhaps the Ukraine can force another reaffirming vote on the matter in Crimea. However, a vote like this under the aura of open hostility can become very violent and messy.
I'm not sure if the Ukraine decides to fight for Crimea the Russians will end the hostilities under any arrangement.
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04-21-23 08:23 #1954
Posts: 323Originally Posted by Questner [View Original Post]
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04-21-23 06:36 #1953
Posts: 516Putin is Xi's lap dog
Originally Posted by Questner [View Original Post]