Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Elvis 2008]

Instead he went to the old and tested Zero Hedge, the source he knew wouldn't upset him or challenge his deranged viewpoints.

I was referring to the comments section. Your POV was well represented there Xpartan. That POV got down voted to shit but it was there. Unlike you Dems, zero hedge does not censor everything.

[Enter The V]

Why is this stupid war still going? Shouldn't Russia have won long time ago.

[VinDici]

We've been taking down Kremlin propaganda / talking points here since the start of the war. It's all over this thread. JmSuttr was the best at it. I've been pretty good, as have been some others. The entire historical and philosophical basis for the invasion has been undercut, and with good source material. But you can't ask us all to do it over again from scratch when all anyone has to do is scroll back through the discussions.

It might be worth collecting the links in one post to stop the constant sealioning from the Z propaganda team. The current tactic is to constantly regurgitate refuted points every couple of months to exhaust people. Would be much easier to just copy and paste one post they can refer to since they refuse to read the thread, or more likely deliberately ignoring the information, and hoping to skirt by with their lies and false interpretations.

[Paulie97]

You missed my question. Let me repost. Read everything up to the question: "Did you pick that up in the interview?" Do you believe that Russia has rights to current Ukrainian territory, certain regions and perhaps the whole country based on distance history going back many centuries? This is Putin's angle that he's been quite clear about. Also what do you think of the Russian-Ukraine Friendship Treaty of 1999 that confirms the present borders?

Elvis, according to my source (Washington Post) Carlson prodded out of Putes that he feels Russia has historic rights to parts of Ukraine, notably the Donbass and Crimea if not more, and that in fact was the reason for the invasion, not some fear of NATO as the hard right in the States wants to think. Carlson reportedly stated that he was "shocked" by that. But it makes perfect sense as prior to the invasion Putes gave a rambling history lesson going back hundreds of years that relatively few professional historians agree with. But it's neither here nor there as the Russian-Ukrainian Friendship Treaty was ratified in 1999 which confirmed the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, ie. Donbass and Crimea are Ukraine. Did you pick that up in the interview? Here's the source but it's behind a paywall for most of you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...tin-interview/

[Paulie97]

Were you trying to install imbedded links? If so they didn't take, and may not be possible on this site.

[Elvis 2008]

Elvis, according to my source (Washington Post) Carlson prodded out of Putes that he feels Russia has historic rights to parts of Ukraine, notably the Donbass and Crimea if not more, and that in fact was the reason for the invasion, not some fear of NATO as the hard right in the States wants to think. Carlson reportedly stated that he was "shocked" by that. But it makes perfect sense as prior to the invasion Putes gave a rambling history lesson going back hundreds of years that relatively few professional historians agree with.

Nah, Putin's history talk was going on for like the first full half hour of the interview. Carlson tried to push Putin to the more modern topic, but Putin kept going back to history. I am not sure why he did it. I think he wanted people to understand the fluidity of what a Ukrainian is and how its history is very complex. He made the point that Ukraine was filled not just with Russians but Hungarians as well, and there have always been disputes with Ukraine.

As for why there was an invasion, Putin said Russia and Ukraine had disputes since 2008, the Minsk accords were signed to stop the fighting but he said they were being violated by Ukraine (probably his biggest reason for the invasion). He also pointed to the rise of neonazism in Ukraine with the associated aggression towards Russia, and Ukraine bombing the Donbas region, and the rise of Western mercenaries and training of Ukrainian soldiers. He gave the impression he launched a pre-emptive strike and attacked Ukraine before Ukraine attached Russia.

Now you can say that is all nonsense which is fine, but that was his explanation not the notion that Ukraine belonged to Russia.

And you may say that fear of invading Russia is poppycock. No one would invade Russia but there is this guy Peter Zeihan who seems to be very well plugged into the CIA and the neocon way of thinking. And in this video he openly speculates about Poland launching an aggressive and expansive war against Russia. It was shocking to me to say the least: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRoDjUcVOPY.

[Elvis 2008]

We've been taking down Kremlin propaganda / talking points here since the start of the war. It's all over this thread.

But Paulie, it was not just Russian propaganda. Putin reiterated that Ukraine and Russia had a peace deal and Boris Johnson destroyed it.

In her book The Plot, former Tory MP Nadine Dorries, a hardcore Boris partisan, proudly wrote that Boris was responsible for killing a peace deal with Russia over Ukraine as it was "the right thing to do," in Boris's apparent words.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...ine-peace-deal

Then you look at the Bojo video and all he does is the same thing everyone on the left is saying: Don't listen to Tucker Carlson and Putin! That practically confirmed for me what the truth was.

All Putin did was confirm an already known fact. He even has the documentation to back up what he said.

But the key point for Americans is this:

Tucker: Do you think NATO is worried about this becoming a global war or a nuclear conflict?

Putin: At least that's what they are talking about. And they are trying to intimidate their own population with an imaginary Russian threat. This is an obvious fact. And thinking people, not philistines, those who are engaged in real politics, just smart people, understand perfectly well that this is a fake. They are trying to fuel the Russian threat.

Tucker: The threat I think you are referring to is a Russian invasion of Poland, Latvia, expansion.

Putin: We have no interest in Poland, Latvia or anywhere else. Why would we do that? Invade Poland? We simply don't have any interest. It's just threat mongering.

Tucker: Well, the argument, and I know you know this, is, well he invaded Ukraine, he has territorial aims across the continent, and you are saying unequivocally you don't.

Putin: It is absolutely out of the question. You don't have to be any kind of analyst, it goes against common sense to get involved in some kind of global war. And a global war would bring all of humanity to the brink of destruction. It's obvious. They have been scaring everyone with us, all along. Tomorrow Russia will use tactical nuclear weapons, tomorrow Russia will use that. No, the day after tomorrow. So what? In order to extort additional money from US taxpayers and European taxpayers in the confrontation with Russia.

Tucker: Chuck Schumer, said yesterday, that we have to continue funding the Ukrainian effort or US soldiers could wind up fighting there. How do you assess that?

Putin: This is a provocation, and a cheap provocation at that. I do not understand why American soldiers should fight in Ukraine. There are mercenaries from the United States there. The bigger number of mercenaries comes from Poland. Does the United States need this? What for? Thousands of miles away from your national territory. Don't you have anything better to do? You have issues on the border, issues on migration, issues with the national debt, more than $33 trillion dollars. You have nothing better to do so you fight in Ukraine. Realizing Russia will fight for its interests until the end.

End Transcript.

Thing I do not think Democrats get is that after Russiagate, all those millions of people who voted for Trump are going to be incredibly skeptical of Democrats and the intelligence agencies.

Is there anything outside of speculation that Putin is going to invade Europe after Ukraine? I do not see a compelling case that Putin goes into Europe. I am not even sure he could if the wanted to.

[Xpartan]

We've been taking down Kremlin propaganda / talking points here since the start of the war. It's all over this thread. JmSuttr was the best at it. I've been pretty good, as have been some others. The entire historical and philosophical basis for the invasion has been undercut, and with good source material. But you can't ask us all to do it over again from scratch when all anyone has to do is scroll back through the discussions. In my past worklife (retired now) I got paid for that sort of thing, and am not doing again for free here what I've already done about eight times. I've been generous enough Wink. But if you are really interested in our side of it there's content here, and plenty more in Google. I'll say this though, Ronald Reagan, a true conservative is turning in his grave at this sad state of affairs, the kowtowing to our historic enemy that has never more wanted to see us fail.

If he'd had any interest in seeing "someone take down Putin's case", he would've found multiple honest analyses in a New York minute.

Tucker Carlson interview: Fact-checking Putin's 'nonsense'.

Putin, in rambling interview, barely lets Tucker Carlson get a word in.

Putin's Myths About Ukraine, Debunked.

Putin Used Tucker Carlson to Wipe the Kremlin's Floor.

Instead he went to the old and tested Zero Hedge, the source he knew wouldn't upset him or challenge his deranged viewpoints.

I don't know. If people like Elvis represent tens of millions of MAGAns (and I think he does represent them perfectly), then our future prospects are bleak. Ideology is one thing, but their admiration, their willingness to embrace the sworn enemy of this country who's threatening to annihilate us in nuclear holocaust is something else entirely. Reagan isn't turning in his grave -- he's spinning.

[Xpartan]

Exactly. Xman's prediction was deranged. I just watched Tucker Carlson's interview with Putin, and Putin knocked it out of the park.

The comments on Zero Hedge were overwhelmingly the same. Man, do we wish we had a leader this intelligent and rational.

He pretty much took apart the whole neocon globalist argument piece by piece.

I can expect the same you want to suck Putin's dick comments again here.

What for? You've just confirmed what I've been saying all along with your own post. Case closed.

[Paulie97]

Elvis, according to my source (Washington Post) Carlson prodded out of Putes that he feels Russia has historic rights to parts of Ukraine, notably the Donbass and Crimea if not more, and that in fact was the reason for the invasion, not some fear of NATO as the hard right in the States wants to think. Carlson reportedly stated that he was "shocked" by that. But it makes perfect sense as prior to the invasion Putes gave a rambling history lesson going back hundreds of years that relatively few professional historians agree with. But it's neither here nor there as the Russian-Ukrainian Friendship Treaty was ratified in 1999 which confirmed the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, ie. Donbass and Crimea are Ukraine. Did you pick that up in the interview? Here's the source but it's behind a paywall for most of you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...tin-interview/

But in any case it's ironic, as Putin is a war criminal and belongs at The Hague getting interrogated, not doing a sit-down with Carlson.

[Paulie97]

Thing is what I would like to see is someone take down Putin's case instead of the stupid insults, but that is never going to happen.

We've been taking down Kremlin propaganda / talking points here since the start of the war. It's all over this thread. JmSuttr was the best at it. I've been pretty good, as have been some others. The entire historical and philosophical basis for the invasion has been undercut, and with good source material. But you can't ask us all to do it over again from scratch when all anyone has to do is scroll back through the discussions. In my past worklife (retired now) I got paid for that sort of thing, and am not doing again for free here what I've already done about eight times. I've been generous enough Wink. But if you are really interested in our side of it there's content here, and plenty more in Google. I'll say this though, Ronald Reagan, a true conservative is turning in his grave at this sad state of affairs, the kowtowing to our historic enemy that has never more wanted to see us fail.

[Elvis 2008]

You need to stop taking drugs and watching CNN. You are truly Delusional. Hopefully soon Pres. Z. will be locked up and the war will end, but you, Biden and your wacko friends want this Ass Kicking to continue.

Exactly. Xman's prediction was deranged. I just watched Tucker Carlson's interview with Putin, and Putin knocked it out of the park.

The comments on Zero Hedge were overwhelmingly the same. Man, do we wish we had a leader this intelligent and rational.

He pretty much took apart the whole neocon globalist argument piece by piece.

I can expect the same you want to suck Putin's dick comments again here.

Thing is what I would like to see is someone take down Putin's case instead of the stupid insults, but that is never going to happen.

[Paulie97]

You need to stop taking drugs and watching CNN. You are truly Delusional. Hopefully soon Pres. Z. will be locked up and the war will end, but you, Biden and your wacko friends want this Ass Kicking to continue.

Drama Queen that is. Russia has lost over 50% of the territory they gained at the beginning of the invasion while they've buried in excess of 300,000 soldiers. That isn't kicking ass, while it's a sad testimony for a so called superpower.

[VinDici]

You need to stop taking drugs and watching CNN. You are truly Delusional. Hopefully soon Pres. Z. will be locked up and the war will end, but you, Biden and your wacko friends want this Ass Kicking to continue.

The ones getting their asses kicked are the Russians, just ask Gerasimov he will be happy to explain the situation in detail for you.

[DramaFree11]

LOL, as a true 'nostradamus' (unlike the fella you're replying to, who, almost undoubtedly, is a Russia state employee) I'll say this.

While the West seems to be tired and in disarray right now, the last quarter of 2024 will break this pattern. Trump and the Reps (the last Putin's hope) will lose miserably, the military aid to Ukraine will resume in spades, and not only will the Third Rome (or Fourth Reich, as some would call it more accurately) eventually return to the borders of 1991 -- it'll start devouring itself from the inside until it finally shrinks into a much smaller (and hopefully more peaceful) normally-sized country.

Till then, Ukraine must hold on, since you're absolutely right -- they don't have another choice.

You need to stop taking drugs and watching CNN. You are truly Delusional. Hopefully soon Pres. Z. will be locked up and the war will end, but you, Biden and your wacko friends want this Ass Kicking to continue.